Zero Punctuation: E3 2015 - Hype Train Is Back
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Would be hard to play any shooter with Gyro, seeing thereis only Splatton doing it, and the Gyro work great for it. Best players of this game all use it and laminate those who refuse to. Also, Splatooon IS a third person shooter, not a First Person shooter tough.Marxie said:
Felt the same way. I was really surprised that, of all people, Jim Sterling was mostly upbeat about this years's E3. Oh, he go his jabs in here and there, but for the most part he sounded pretty optimistic.jhoroz said:
What about Horizon was nostalgia bait? Yahtzee said the entire Sony conference was about nostalgia and remakes and sequels, and then conveniently left out the all new IPs.
You speak without knowing what you are talking about. Gyro work actually better than dualstick controller. case in point, unlike many shooter, splatoon doens't need auto-aim. And by your logic, Splatoon should still play better with just dual stick than with added gyro. this is not the case. Gyro improve the gameplay, and those who use it have better control than those who only stick with dual stick.Marxie said:
Your whole reasoning is based on the idea Splatoon, unlike other shooters, doesn't have access to "walking on two legs" (so, in this case, dual stick).
I am spaeking form experiencce and you should do the same. Paly a full day at splatoon with the Gyro on, adjust the sensitvity to your liking, use left stick for gorss aiming and gyro for fin tuning. Than try to go back to just dual stick and you'll see that Gyro has actually improved the gameplay.
Same with OOT3D and MM3D on the 3DS. It makes use of the gyro (only when you switch to first person view) and the Gyro make the use of the arrow and the slingshot much more easier.
Whether or not Splatoon is a real shooter doesn't change the fact that, if implementing the gyro make it worst than just sticking to dual stick, then Splatoon should pay worst when the Gyro is on than when you just play with the dual stick. Yet it's the opposite that is true.
Yes, okay. They designed their game around a control scheme, made sure the game was built with it in mind. Good design philisophy, making sure you have your controls planned out.Marxie said:
What does that have to do with the suitability of one control scheme for a genre?
Are... are you trying to say that it doesn't count because they put effort into it? Or something? That probably sounds like a stupid question, but I think I've completely lost the thread on this one.
Except this is not true. I can assure you Splatoon play just as well as any other console shooter with just the Dual stick control. The fact that the Gyro can optionally be use for aiming hasn't in any way hindered the control with just the Dual Stick. Gyro add itself on the top of it, like an icing on the cake, without the dual stick control being impaired in any way. The only actual difference between Splatoon and other shooter when it come to control is that it doesn't have auto-aim. And auto-aim becomes is not needed any more once you use the Gyro.Marxie said:
Not really. Splatoon is basically a third person shooter, with just a different main goal. The gameplay is altered, not because of the way it control, but because killing isn't the main objective. Whether or not Gyro would have been implemented, the game would have got basically the same feeling.
The point is, with the Wii U, Nintendo actually managed to create a motion control that actually enhance the gameplay and immersion instead of just being gimmicky.
It isn't at all. The control with Dual stick make Splatoon control itself JUST AS GOOD as any other dual stick controlled shooter. Implementing the Gyro make it control BETTER than any existing dual stick controlled shooter. That has been my whole point the whole time. There isn't any contradiction, there.Marxie said:
But killing is still important. There is a shift of focus on the main objective, but if you get killed before you kill your opponent, he is the one that will spread paint while you lose time re-spawning. It's even more obvious when you play with the Charger shot, where aiming become essential to make your team progress. the Pro-mode where you have to actually guard an area against the other team (and where killing is much more prominent), aiming become very essential to the gameplay. This is where the superiority of the gyro over just using the dual stick become evident.
According to your logic, it's like you had been saying that if you play a Capture-the-flag game, it make aiming less important because the main objective isn't killing. You do realize it doesn't make sense, right?
Anyone who has tried it long enough will confirm you this, you have got a far more precise aiming with Gyro implemented than with just Dual stick. Only Mouse+keyboard is better.
Listen, just check for yourself. Play for a full day with the Charger gun, on the pro and not pro arenas, play sitting down with the Wii U gamepad resting on your lap for greater stability, adjust the sensibility till you reach your sweet spot, use dual sticks for gross aiming and gyro for fine tuning and try it for a full day, and you'll see for yourself.
Let me try again.Marxie said:
Splatoon with just dual stick controller: you control the aiming just as well as any other console shooters
Splatoon with Gyro implemented: you control the aiming better than in other console shooters.
How would someone using only dual stick have any "control issue" as you say?
In splatoon and in any other shooter it would be implemented. the main advantage of the gyro is that it objectively provide better aiming, faster and more precise aiming than Dual stick.
Fair enough, but then let's focus on the pro-mode, who is basically a Protect the Base game and where killing approaching enemy as soon as possible is vital to victory (hence why the charger guns are more appropriate for this mode). And once again, for the gameplay component that is about aiming, Gyro does provide more relaible and precise control than dual stick.
I have told you. Try it for one day, with the charger shot, and then try to come back to dual stick. I can assure you that Gyro provide a better aiming control for shooters.
Wait, wait, wait. The Last Guardian still is not out? I had that game on order three years ago but cancelled it when I lost my job. It still has not been finished and released? Imagine if I had not been fired, all the interest they would have made off the money they would not have had to return. Oh, wait, that is what they did, did they not? But with other people, not me. I have been too busy going hungry to keep track.
