Zero Punctuation: Guitar Hero III

DoctorNick

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Gah, the guys at work are obsessed with this game. I wish they'd shut up about it already.
 

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Cool. I think we just found out what 'Twing Twang' is.


Yes, I am disappointed that it isn't cunnilingus.
 

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am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks? i mean come on, its on a super powerful computer and you get what a couple of dozen songs? all but four suck, and its completely repetative game play. could they not just bump it up? anyways amazing review [but isnt it always] the blue screen bit at the end was well good.
 

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"Don't tell me I suck because I four starred Free Bird on hard"

You suck.

I completed Guitar Hero 2 on the release date within 3 hours...Then again, I'm one of those freaks you described.

And Raining Blood is easy once you can sort the HOPOs out.

In short...If you think the last tier is hard...Try beating Lou on expert (comes down to luck really), and then, complete Through The Fire and Flames.

You think you have wankers cramp?: http://zerotrace.blogspot.com/2007/11/ah-fuck-wanking-cramp.html

And of course...My Guitar Hero 3 stat page: http://www.guitarhero.com/accounts/235525

Good review though, kept me laughing :D
 

Zera

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ah i must say its one of his better ones. love the whole im not gay thing too
 

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You keep telling yourself that Yahtzee... but you did make me stay up another hour because I knew that the new Zero Punctuation would be out. Feel free to gloat over your ability to keep a girl awake all night.
 

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This review was great. Out of all the things I was expecting him to pick on, I was not expecting guitar hero.
 

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As there are 9 posts in the 12 minutes since ZP was released, it occurs to me that I am not the only one who opens the Escapist website at 8.55am and hits ctrl + F5 repeatedly until the review comes out. I take some comfort in that.
 

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rhizic said:
am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks? i mean come on, its on a super powerful computer and you get what a couple of dozen songs? all but four suck, and its completely repetative game play. could they not just bump it up? anyways amazing review [but isnt it always] the blue screen bit at the end was well good.
Well, it's a rhythm game. The appeal has alway sbeen the ease by which you can get into it and the "party" feel.

It's true though - the people who are extremely good at it with ridiculous achievements on expert on "Through Fire and Flames" really are freaks, in the sense that they have obsessively been able to play the game that quickly or for that long. I've been tempted to get any one of the Guitar Hero series of games for a while, but when I think about what it takes to actually get good at it I think my game time is better spent elsewhere.

Review's pretty spot on - most glaring is the omission of the co-op quick play mode, something which Rock Band definitely has a leg up on.
 

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It's fortunate that so few of my friends are gamers, because I'm shamelessly going to steal the razor wire self flossing remark from this video and use it as often as possible in my day to day conversations.
That said, I'd been holding off on Guitar Hero III because the difficulty issues were something early adopters of the game I know were bitching about from square one. I have half a dozen friends with this game on my Xbox Live friends list and only one of them accumulated more than a hundred achievement points before giving up and buying Mass Effect or slinking back into HHalo 3's matchmaking lobby. I know achievement points shouldn't be the deciding factor in picking up a game, but I feel somewhat vindicated in my decision to go straight to titles that are worth playing instead of spending a hundred and fifty bucks on the sequel to a game I only half completed in the first place, even if it does mean I miss the opportunity to mash buttons (hopefully) in tune with such songs as 'Knights of Cydonia' or 'Ever Fallen in Love?'.
 

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Once again Yahtzee hits the nail right on with GH3.
I had the exact similar experiance with the final songs, you get the feeling they were designed for those GH freaks, whom really think their plastic guitar skills will magnetically pull girls and cause their eavesdropping postman to give them money for the performance.
Back to the topic, the animation has increased massivly which will make my many viewings all the more enjoyable. Definatly as good as the Bioshock review!
 

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Btw did anyone noticed this? when he showed a screenshot of Guitar Hero 3 in game, he pointed at the Gamespot logo at the bottom corner and called them jerks
 

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Sweet!

Great roast, loved it.

Cock Slapping the Mona Lisa, that was very nice.

Keep up the good work!
 

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Tom Morello is more of a legend of rock than anyone posting on this thread will ever be... especially Yahtzee! I've thoroughly enjoyed all of his reviews so far and it feels like one of my friends suddenly revealed that they in fact hated me the whole time and only kept up the masquerade to learn my deepest, darkest secrets then sell them to some online bastard comittee alond with a stamped, addressed jiffy bag so that they can let me have a hard copy of everything they think about me... In the harshest terms possible! Fuck you very much my friend! I'll probably keep watching because your scathing wit is about all that keeps me going in the minefield of Politically Correctness that currently infests life.
 

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i cant believe im the first to mention this (or at least i think i am) but...what the hell is wrong with learning to play a real guitar? :|

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bride_of_lister said:
You keep telling yourself that Yahtzee... but you did make me stay up another hour because I knew that the new Zero Punctuation would be out. Feel free to gloat over your ability to keep a girl awake all night.
haha, that made me laugh quite a bit :D
 

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That review was so colorful and full of mental images I'm not sure I needed, but am grateful for none the less.
 

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fundude365 said:
Tom Morello is more of a legend of rock than anyone posting on this thread will ever be... especially Yahtzee!

He just said Slash was more of a legend of rock than Tom Morello, which is the case, since Slash was with Guns n' Roses.
 

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Abbadiel said:
fundude365 said:
Tom Morello is more of a legend of rock than anyone posting on this thread will ever be... especially Yahtzee!

He just said Slash was more of a legend of rock than Tom Morello, which is the case, since Slash was with Guns n' Roses.
Nope... he said if "Tom Morello was a Legend of Rock then a Grilled Cheese Sandwich was Haut Cuisine". Everyone I've ever met, or am ever likely to meet, has at least some experience of Rage Against the Machine if only for 'Guerilla Radio' found on the Soundtrack for Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 and I think many of us can agree that it was the best song present there. In my opinion his 'Jam' song was the wrong option... 'Know Your Enemy' is a far more interesting experience than 'Bulls on Parade' for the guitarist.
 

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I was fairly decent at GH2. I made it all the way through expert, but only got 3's on the last set or two and never made it through Jordan on Expert. GH3 on hard reminds me of GH2 on expert, or at least the last few sets on expert. I did finally make it through Raining Blood and the Lou battle on hard and have made it up to that set on expert but really got sick of the stupid shit they pull to make the songs more complex. They add extra complexity to songs that aren't even that difficult to play in the first place just because they want to ramp up the challenge (Slipknot, I'm looking at you).

A positive for the game though is the vast number of master tracks instead of covers. If there was a master track available for a song they got it, and in a couple cases got the original band to re-record the song.

I actually prefer this set list more than the previous 2 (Rock of the 80's can burn in the fires of hell for all I care, I hate that version). The hammer ons and pull offs are much easier to accomplish, the guitar that comes with it is vastly superior to all its previous iterations and any new competitors. They took out some characters, Clive being one and my friend mourns the loss of Pandora as well. Really they should have gone the Rock Band route and let you make custom characters, its not all that complex and it isn't like the rest of the game is that complicated to make. Maybe just have some presets made so that you can create your favorite old GH characters if you wanted to.

I've played both GH3 and Rock Band a fair amount. If you don't have a group of friends and you only really want to play pretend guitar then GH3 is the game to play. The guitar work in Rock Band feels as stiff as the original GH did. However if you have a group of friends then Rock Band is where its at, the world tour mode is just a blast, creating your own rockers is great fun and wailing on that drum kit never gets old (assuming the equipment doesn't break in 2 days like it has been for 80% of the people who've dished out the $170 US for it.)

Rock on.



And yes rhizic, you are the only one who things GH sucks.
 

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Guitar hero is a game I'd expect from PopCap if they had the energy to create a plastic guitar. It's fun, I mean really really fun, for a while and then it sort of drops off really really quickly once you start getting tired of it.

At least that's how it is for me ~~
 

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Cliffs of Dover! Man, if you could by any means rock more than you already did, you do so now. That song rocks so hard it's just impossible and the only other place I'd seen it before aside from my own personal music collection was nowhere. So ROCK POINTS FOR YAHTZEE!

Also your review was good.
 

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@am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks?

No, not by a long shot. It's DDR for your fingers.
 

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And yeah rhizic... GH is great... even for those with better things to do than spend all their time getting to FUCKING expert, like having sex with girls.

You are the only one.

Even my Girlfriend plays it.

And her best friend.

Who is also a Girl.
 

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I like Guitar Hero III and I guess I can be considered a freak for being able to beat Hard mode and go all the way to the last set of songs in Expert mode...but even I've to admit that the extreme difficulty for the last set of songs in Expert mode is just sadistic. Blood Rain is just bullshit on Expert mode and to this day, it's taunting me for not being able to pass it.

I loved the previous Guitar Hero series because even though the songs were hard, they were still quite passable and when you passed Expert mode, you really felt a sense of accomplishment. Now it just feels kinda mean to set the bar up so high that only a select few can actually pass the damn mode.
 

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samir_nayanajaad said:
At fundude 365 you should watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoN6XfyQsr4

have done... all true... and Yahtzee is not Stephen Fry, we are perfectly allowed to question him... And of course Rage Against the Machine are just a band, but they're also the first choice for any rabble rouser who wants to stir discontent against an establishment for a probably legitimate reason (U.S. Government have learned fuck all since Vietnam... RATM just happen to be a good outlet for my rage when the world appears to be turning into a steaming pile of bullshit)
 

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Exposed Lie said:
i cant believe im the first to mention this (or at least i think i am) but...what the hell is wrong with learning to play a real guitar? :|

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bride_of_lister said:
You keep telling yourself that Yahtzee... but you did make me stay up another hour because I knew that the new Zero Punctuation would be out. Feel free to gloat over your ability to keep a girl awake all night.
haha, that made me laugh quite a bit :D

Nothing wrong with learning to play a real guitar... this of course has no bearing on playing Guitar Hero as one might say why not learn to shoot a real gun instead of playing Halo? There isn't really any connection. God forbid people play games for fun occasionally.
 

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I can't believe anyone would think Rage Against the Machine are in any way "legends". Even a fan of them should realise they're not quite on par with the true 80s rock icons.

Anyway, great review (as always). Never played Guitar Hero, but I found your review distinctly homoerotic nonetheless. I mean, uh, humorous, distinctly humorous...
 

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@Dectilon

Exactly, I think I played it for maybe 8 hours total then just dropped it completely. Great game for a while, but not worth investing lots of time in.

I think one issue is that there's a difficulty wall (on GH1, anyway, didn't play the others) a few songs into Hard difficulty that requires you to get a bit obsessive about the game in order to get anywhere. So for an average player like me, once you've done Medium there's not much left.
 

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Darren Grey said:
I can't believe anyone would think Rage Against the Machine are in any way "legends". Even a fan of them should realise they're not quite on par with the true 80s rock icons.

Anyway, great review (as always). Never played Guitar Hero, but I found your review distinctly homoerotic nonetheless. I mean, uh, humorous, distinctly humorous...
I think anyone who had the original master of 'Killing in the Name' played at one in the afternoon on a mainstream Radio program without any editing to compensate for the torrent of the word fuck at the end of the song can be considered legendary. At least infamous, even if it was only a mistake on the part of the DJ. And, as I said, 'Guerilla radio' featured on the Soundtrack, and incidentally on the starting video, of Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 and that was easily one of the most popular PS1 games. Please allow at least infamous.
 

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So is it safe to assume that GH isn't any easier for actual guitar players? Because I was thinking about getting the game but if my previous guitar knowledge won't help me, then never mind.

I'm scared of spiders, but the Paris Hilton head scared me more. Brr.
 

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Zera said:
Btw did anyone noticed this? when he showed a screenshot of Guitar Hero 3 in game, he pointed at the Gamespot logo at the bottom corner and called them jerks
1/4th to 1/2 of the fun of ZP reviews are the little things that show up on the screen, its part of what makes them worth watching multiple times. :)
 

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stacia123 said:
So is it safe to assume that GH isn't any easier for actual guitar players? Because I was thinking about getting the game but if my previous guitar knowledge won't help me, then never mind.

I'm scared of spiders, but the Paris Hilton head scared me more. Brr.
Oh no... the game's fine on Easy for a first-time player then the jumps aren't quite as drastic Yahtzee claims it's simply an exercise in hyperbole (sorry, exaggeration) to make the review more interesting... my first song on medium was Killing in the name and I made 4 stars bordering five.
 

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I liked South Parks Review of this Abomination they call a "Video Game" in the Episode "Guitar Queer-o" a lot more.
(2min excerpt) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUoJgsOe9ME
 

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My thoughts exactly Yahtzee. Thats why I stick with Rock Band.

Also was the scene with the guy with his back to the brick wall a allusion to Pink Floyd's The Wall? Send me a message if it was please.
 

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Also one more thing.

Where the fuck is Clive? I was more pissed about him being left out then anything.
 

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Yahtzee, you know denial is the first phase, right? ;)

I do take a little offense, though, at calling hardcore players "freaks" - even though I know you did that for comical relief. If you were to hang out with a selection of hardcore players, you'd find out they are pretty normal gamers, but that instead of playing lots of games once or twice, they use their allotted "game time" to specialise in a few games (or a genre) because they really like them and want to squeeze out all the enjoyment they can. Find new challenges within the game, break the A.I., stuff like that.

So no excuses - you're not up to snuff as far as GH3 is concerned. Don't blame the game for offering you a challenge in the later levels, why not "get into shape" and face it? :)
 

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Great review Yahtzee, as always

I've been thinking about getting GH for awhile but I once tryed to play GH once at a friends house the experience still make me want to put a plastic bag over my head from embarrisment.

Guessing this one is harder, so I suppose I'll just have suck a guys testical instead.

...wait
 

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fundude365 said:
Tom Morello is more of a legend of rock
Shoo, shoo emo boy!

Anyway, I didn't bother with Guitar Hero 2 - let alone 3 - because the tracklist made me feel truely quite ill. Someone convinced me to try it but the endless alt/indie/emo rubbish put me off.

So, the same applies with GH3. The tracklist is still somewhat diverse, but there's not enough classic rock. You know, the really good stuff, like Blue Oyster Cult, Ramones, Who, Kinks, Cream, Police etc. So, I'll stick with the original and the GH2 demo (love YYZ), thanks.

And, Yahtzee: another impeccable review sir, bravo!
 

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Chis said:
fundude365 said:
Tom Morello is more of a legend of rock
Shoo, shoo emo boy!

WHAT THE FUCK?! YOU CALLING ME AN EMO?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANYONE WHO HAS MET ME FOR EVEN TWO SECONDS COULD TELL YOU OTHERWISE! I SPIT ON TAKING BACK SUNDAY AND FALL OUT BOY AND MY HAIR IS BEAUTIFUL IN THE LACK OF BLACK AND FRINGE! I LISTEN TO FUCKING REEL BIG FISH BY HIS GREAT NOODLY APPENDAGE!
 

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As you can probably tell I'm a little bit testy about being called an emo... mostly because most emos I have ever come into contact with are such wasters that it insults my sense of self respect, which I carefully preserved through five years of having the shit bullied out of me at secondary school, to call me as such.
 

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VMerken said:
So no excuses - you're not up to snuff as far as GH3 is concerned. Don't blame the game for offering you a challenge in the later levels, why not "get into shape" and face it? :)
Why does GH always boil down to a pissing contest? If someone says it is 'hard' someone else comes along with more free time than sense to brag about how they 100%-ed the song blindfolded and with no hands.

The point being made wasn't the game is 'hard' but that the learning curve that serves you well all the way from easy (I'm a wii owner who never played GH and had to work his way up) suddenly stops being a curve and turns vertical like some insurmountable rock chasm where the game taunts you to climb its heights only to throw you to the ground and dash your brains out on the jagged rocks below.

Sure, we've all seen the YouTubes of various people whizzing through Dragonforce's song on expert, but the game stops being fun at that point and becomes a chore as you labouriously repeat the songs again and again as your fingers turn in a multitude of pretzel contortions (GH causes arthritis, I'm calling it here and now).

And just to throw this in there, Morello is FAR more of a legend of rock than the ego-train wreck that is Slash, not just playing guitar on our generations most famous rock anthems but also adding the hat of remixer and producer to his collection. I felt slighted for him that he was the 'easier' boss on the game.
 

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zerotrace said:
"Don't tell me I suck because I four starred Free Bird on hard"

You suck.

I completed Guitar Hero 2 on the release date within 3 hours...Then again, I'm one of those freaks you described.

And Raining Blood is easy once you can sort the HOPOs out.

In short...If you think the last tier is hard...Try beating Lou on expert (comes down to luck really), and then, complete Through The Fire and Flames.

You think you have wankers cramp?: http://zerotrace.blogspot.com/2007/11/ah-fuck-wanking-cramp.html

And of course...My Guitar Hero 3 stat page: http://www.guitarhero.com/accounts/235525

Good review though, kept me laughing :D
Is this post supposed to impress us or make us pity you because u spent all that time playing Simon Say's alone in your room?
 

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Of course you're not gay, Yahtzee, of course you aren't... :p
/jk

Great video, Yahtzee! You are, as always, Tha' Man!

As one who has played a "real" instrument (if you can call a saxaphone a "real" instrument - which I'd rather not) I'd rather learn to play a real guitar than learn how to play a plastic one with buttons on it. I know that sounds worse than I meant it - I'm not trying to be disparaging of those who have the game and are getting "good" at it - I'd just like to learn to play the damn guitar instead of spending time to perfect a "fake" one. That being said, I'd like to at least at least rent GH3, but almost certainly won't.
 

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o_O

*walks away, shaking head*

Edit: fair enough Funduke, I had my fair share of it at school as well. :p

Still, I have issues with Morello: he cannot physically do anything more than play the same vamp over and over, maybe then play a different one over and over, do a short one-note solo whilst doing some overly enthusiastic posturing... then play the first vamp over and over again. That's all he did on the first Audioslave album, at least.

I'll take the Mars Volta, thanks. (Although the Levellers are quite nice - Yahtzee you charismatic stallion, your taste in music is diverse and interesting! Hell, you've even gotten me to listen to Frankie Valli. The closest I ever got to doo-wop was the first Zappa album!)

Another edit: Any video featuring Pete Townshend in some way shape or form is worth seeing. More points to you, Mr. Yahtzee.
 

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Sorry to interrupt, but I gotta say this : Great review, I loved how personal this one got. I must admit, I'm a whimp when it comes to Guitar Hero and holding that guitar makes me feel like a total chode (the kind who bring guitars to class and play it during break), though it is addicting; if anything I hope my friends haven't deleted the band I made on GH2, DonPachi.
 

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I was never that big on Guitar Hero, though admitedly my experience with the game consists of going to an EB Games, playing the game hooked up there, beating a song on medium and going away thinking "meh". But I think there would be a problem if there isn't a brick wall in a rhythm game. I mean, it should provide a challenge to everyone, even the most hardcore. And it's not like it'll be difficult to make more difficult note graphs; just add more. In any case, I just hope Konami brings out a console version of Keyboard Mania sometime in NA, even though it will never happen.
 

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You know, the really good stuff, like Blue Oyster Cult, Ramones, Who, Kinks, Cream, Police etc.
Agreed - this is one of the additional reasons why I'm strongly preferring Rock Band. There is still a distinct lack of Clapton/Cream, but I'm really hoping that gets fixed in future download packs.

The other reason is that the songs are just charted a lot better, they're more fun to play (though admittedly not as difficult, if that's your thing). GH3 was obviously catering to the most hardcore, youtube-posting fans of the series by cranking up the difficulty level, but it really sucked some of the magic out of it. I bet a comparison of some of the dual-released tracks would be interesting.
 

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Eh, Guitar Hero was never really my thing, although it does seem considerably popular with people who play nothing else.
 

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LOL, Yahtzee came out of the closet in the latest ZP. Nobody in the northern hemisphere, but the sheep down there might be prejudiced against you.

Great review, keep them coming.
 

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Virgil said:
I bet a comparison of some of the dual-released tracks would be interesting.
Have you seen the piece at Games Radar? [a href=http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=2007111592215587002&releaseId=2007041012041714057&sectionId=1006&pageId=2007111593413839052]Sounds like what you might be interested in.[/a]
 

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Sort of disappointed that GH3 was chosen as I knew the "it's so difficult" would HAVE to be pulled out at some time in the review. I'm sure more than a few people found that humorous because it's true for most. Hard is tough, I haven't five starred Raining Blood either, but I figure it's cool that the game has a roof that I may never reach (but damn well try anyhow). Overall I've had more fun with GH3 than Rockband (solo, in group RB is awesome *duh*) because the sequences are more fun. I really wanted to play don't fear the reaper in RB, I thought it would be fun as hell, it's not, I crank it up to expert and I still get the same braindead no skill chords (not that RB doesn't have some tough songs *gimme shelter*). I had more fun playing "The Seeker" than I did "Won't get fooled again" but once again, I'll point out no matter how boring the song is, playing in group with drummer/singer is worth the price of RB - it's just not very challenging at all.

Worth noting, I'm with my current GF (among other things) BECAUSE I play guitar hero. I 5-star all songs on Hard in GH2, so I consider myself above average to skilled.
 

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Brodel2 said:
@am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks?

No, not by a long shot. It's DDR for your fingers.
No you are not..... any person who play a REAL Guitar will tell you that its more fullfilling worthwhile and MANLY to play REAL guitar...rather than wanking little buttons and pretending to gene simmons....
Am dissapointed with Nazi..... ouups i mean Yazi... of all the games ithought he would see the obvious flaw with this one... but hey!!!.... as long as he will continue to make gay innuedos and will finally come out one day i will keep watching this stuff.... it makes me cry and gives killer ABS like from 300.... coz i laf so hard
 

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Wow, I hope you're not gay, Yahtzee. There go all my wicked fantasies.

Great review as always. :D Thanks for brightening my Wednesdays with your dry, sarcastic wit.
 

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Btw does he actually read this?... or does just counts the replies amd judges his succes by the number of replies he gets each week.... does he talk or have any social contacts or is he a hermit? living in some cave is Ozzy land somewhere?
 

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Guitar Hero is best played while shitfaced with naked girls.

And yes, i went there.

It was awesome.
 

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as far as i am theoretically informed thats not what you do when you are shit faced with naked girls.
 

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Wistfane said:
any person who play a REAL Guitar will tell you that its more fullfilling worthwhile and MANLY to play REAL guitar
Harsh man... HAAAAAAARSH! I have a great time playing Guitar Hero, because I can't play real Guitar (and learning it now would be too much hassle) plus, not owning the necessary console, I've only really played Guitar Hero in a Party Situation where it's great fun to watch people 'rock out'... band practices get tiring if you have a Guitarist that knows their stuff, coz their belting out the licks, riffs, etc. whilst you can't get a word in edgeways. Thus Guitar Hero can be more fun than Band Practise as you have no people with ability on Musical Instruments making you feel inadequate for only being there coz you can sing. (And incidentally a singing voice is a gift, whilst learning Guitar involves hard work so I think I win in the long run)
 

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What the hell.
I don't get it why people only call Guitar Hero players "freaks". There are people out there who play games such as WoW, Counter Strike, Halo 3, TF2 and maybe even Gears of War (if it is even good anymore) all day long. But no, nobody gives those people attention. Those people are the real freaks. And telling a Guitar Hero player to pick up a real guitar is like telling a CS player to pick up a real gun and blow shit up.

And yes, I made an account JUST to say that.
Anyway, the video was rather funny. Even though I hate people who refer to GH players as "freaks".
Oh, and Halo 3 is an overhyped piece of shit.
 

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>.> man, I loved your review, your critiques were my critiques, but articulate and unabashed. And I am gay, and my boyfriend does not play it. lol
 

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I would just like to add to this thread that everyone that is worse than I am at video games is learning disabled and everyone who is better at them is a virgin.
 

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You keep telling yourself that Yahtzee... but you did make me stay up another hour because I knew that the new Zero Punctuation would be out. Feel free to gloat over your ability to keep a girl awake all night.
I'm actually more worried about his ability to keep men up all night...
 

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fundude365 said:
colinhunt said:
No, honestly, who the f is Tom Morello?
Lead guitarist from band; Rage Against the Machine
Also lead guitarist for Audioslave.
Your statement is redundant. Also, Morello needs to stay the hell away from the octave pedal. Dare I say, put down the duckie.
 

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What the hell.
I don't get it why people only call Guitar Hero players "freaks". There are people out there who play games such as WoW, Counter Strike, Halo 3, TF2 and maybe even Gears of War (if it is even good anymore) all day long. But no, nobody gives those people attention. Those people are the real freaks. And telling a Guitar Hero player to pick up a real guitar is like telling a CS player to pick up a real gun and blow shit up.
For what it's worth, I think those people are freaks too.

And to some extent, dedicated Guitar Hero players get brought up more in reference to Guitar Hero III because there are specific aspects of the game that seem tailored to that small demographics likings, to the (perceived) detriment of the larger Guitar Hero playing population. This would be akin to the arguments between people who hate the new TF2 and the people that are really glad Valve shunned the hardcore TF players when they made this one.
 

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I totally agree with Yahtzee on this. The songs on hard are rediculous, and I can't beat my little bro in the battles. It is also quite funny how I can play a lot of the songs on real guitar but not on GH. GH 4 is the worst out of them, and rock the 80s is worth the money if you like 80s metal.
 

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Is it just me me, or was the sound quality lower with this one? Lots of background noice.

Anyway, if you ever wondered if he's gay, click here.
http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/reviews/playgames.htm
 

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Basing on the amount of female attention the topic of Guitar Hero III is getting, I think I was right to presume that the ultimate pickup line now really is "What's your score on Through The Fire and The Flames?"

To the topic of Tom Morello not being a Legend of Rock, Dictionary.com's definition of Legend, #1 "A nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as historical." not my favorite phrasing of it; but anyways, Slash participated in some of the musical moments which inspired many of our bands today, when people talk about Guns'N'Roses they say it's legendary, you don't hear people say that Rage Against the Machine is legendary, they say that they're just a good band, or maybe go on about how they've broken up or whatever.

In all honesty, the best way to sum up my Guitar Hero III experience is that it's a love hate relationship, I love it when I'm not murdering a song by multiple screeches, and hate it when all that I hear are those bloody screeches, oh and also the wankers cramp.
 

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Is it just me me, or was the sound quality lower with this one? Lots of background noice.

Anyway, if you ever wondered if he's gay, click here.
http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/reviews/playgames.htm
Does this prove or disprove he's gay? He mentions getting bored halfway through and then going off to surf the internet. XD

Hilarious review though. Sounds like the Battlefield Earth of porn.
 

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Cool. I think we just found out what 'Twing Twang' is.


Yes, I am disappointed that it isn't cunnilingus.
Me too...;_;

Also, fucking awesome as usual Yahtzee.
 

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Good thing you stopped them or about 30 people would have sent you emails say "I beat it im da bomb i pwn lol roflcopter" god what obsessives can they just get back to mastering there grenades on team fortress classic or something and stop bothering us with there scores?
 

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Undersized squeaky fisher price plastic guitars! That nearly made me wet my pants laughing. Signed up, like many people seem to have, just to tell you what a riot you are. Brilliance, utter brilliance.
 

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Most people know who Slash is, he's iconic. It's not like Yahtzee is saying Tom isn't talented, it's just that he is nowhere near as well known as Slash.
 

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Btw did anyone noticed this? when he showed a screenshot of Guitar Hero 3 in game, he pointed at the Gamespot logo at the bottom corner and called them jerks
Well, they kinda are. Their review quality lately has been utter gobswallow.
 

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I'm pretty sure the Morello comment just meant that exactly, he's not extremely well known. You could say "Rage against the Machine" and get a few more heads turned but otherwise it's kinda eh...who's he?
 

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Vorsuc, hi :)

vorsuc said:
Why does GH always boil down to a pissing contest? If someone says it is 'hard' someone else comes along with more free time than sense to brag about how they 100%-ed the song blindfolded and with no hands.
Sure you wanted to quote me? Guitar Hero isn't even my genre. My point was, and still is, that hardcore gamers aren't freaks, they're passionate about a game (or genre) and choose to play it in full depth, to master it entirely. The fact that you talk about "more free time than sense" indicates you're stereotyping the hardcore as well. A lot of hardcore gamers spend about as much time on games than a regular gamer, but they focus on a few titles while regulars use the same time to play ten games in a row. It's basically horizontal broadening versus vertical depth. Of course, in between key releases for the hardcore's choice of game or genre, the hardcore gamer often uses the pause to broaden their horizons before their poison (Resident Evil 5 in my case) arrives.

vorsuc said:
The point being made wasn't the game is 'hard' but that the learning curve that serves you well all the way from easy (I'm a wii owner who never played GH and had to work his way up) suddenly stops being a curve and turns vertical like some insurmountable rock chasm where the game taunts you to climb its heights only to throw you to the ground and dash your brains out on the jagged rocks below.
That's your view. But these things are relative - for all you know, the GH3 QA team thought this to be a gradual difficulty curve. Maybe a small strategy change makes the levels more manageable. In Resident Evil 4 for example, I initially had trouble to sustain no damage at the hands of a boss, until I found out that I could stay safe simply by opening and closing a door while waiting for an elevator to arrive. Small detail, big consequences. Later on, I discovered that I could trap the boss behind that door and just knife him to death, but that's another story ;)

Colour me wicked, but I think it's more than natural that a game offers toughies in later parts of the game, and especially in game modes called Hard or Expert. They're there to challenge you, to stimulate your creativity, to push yourself to the edge - if you're willing. Real life isn't easy, either. And practice makes perfect.

So the question remains: if a game offers you a challenge, do you step up to it, or not?

vorsuc said:
Sure, we've all seen the YouTubes of various people whizzing through Dragonforce's song on expert, but the game stops being fun at that point and becomes a chore as you labouriously repeat the songs again and again as your fingers turn in a multitude of pretzel contortions (GH causes arthritis, I'm calling it here and now).
Well, again that's relative. To you, doing that kind of thing is a chore, to a hardcore GH(3) player it isn't. In fact, a hardcore GH(3) player will go through the motions and practice because he or she is passionate about the game, and wants to feel the timings, get intimate with all aspects of the game. Practice makes perfect. Does that make them a freak? No, unless you want to call everyone who is practicing "basketball" moves - because they love the game of "basketball" and want to become great at "basketball" - a freak, too...
 

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ha ha, Reel Big Fish is great. Ska! And yeah. Agreed on all accounts, Yahtzee. Especially Clive Winston.
 

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Fucking great. I saw the game that was up for bids, and oh my, I knew what was coming. Well, except for the gay jokes. Full agreement, 100%. I want my goddamned Clive back. Well, maybe not, because after the betrayal that is GH3 I'm not sure I'll buy another Guitar Hero game unless Harmonix gets back on board.

Where was I? Oh yeah. Yahtzee, good on. Not that you needed me to tell you that you're right.
 

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Wow, I hope you're not gay, Yahtzee. There go all my wicked fantasies.

Great review as always. :D Thanks for brightening my Wednesdays with your dry, sarcastic wit.
I hope he is, as that's what all my wicked fantasies revolve around.
 

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Scypemonk said:
Is it just me me, or was the sound quality lower with this one? Lots of background noice.

Anyway, if you ever wondered if he's gay, click here.
http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/reviews/playgames.htm
If thats an argument to prove that he is not gay then..... its weak since........ i spew shitloads of manly man talk bout 'twing twang' doesn't seem to make me any straighter.... for some reason
 

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Is it just me me, or was the sound quality lower with this one? Lots of background noice.

Anyway, if you ever wondered if he's gay, click here.
http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/reviews/playgames.htm
I once rented that movie when I was 16 (9 years ago), and felt pretty proud of myself for getting away with it.
Until I got the damn video home and discovered I'd just paid $3 for the most convoluted boring as hell wannabe-porn movie ever made. On the upside, it taught me that there's nothing spankable about R-Rated movies in Australia and I'm best off with internet porn, which has the added benefit of being freely available and undetectable by my mother.
On the downside, in my attempts to keep my ill-rented tape from being discovered by my mother, I didn't manage to return it on time. 6 days later, the video store called my mother to advise her that there was an outstanding return of an adult movie on her account. My mother drove me to the video store to return my porn and I paid an additional $18 in late fees.
 

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I bet a comparison of some of the dual-released tracks would be interesting.
Have you seen the piece at Games Radar? [a href=http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=2007111592215587002&releaseId=2007041012041714057&sectionId=1006&pageId=2007111593413839052]Sounds like what you might be interested in.[/a]
Exactly, thanks for the link!
 

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Corbineau said:
Kogepan said:
Wow, I hope you're not gay, Yahtzee. There go all my wicked fantasies.

Great review as always. :D Thanks for brightening my Wednesdays with your dry, sarcastic wit.
I hope he is, as that's what all my wicked fantasies revolve around.
LOL! I'm sure Yahtzee will be pleased to be the subject of so many wild fantasies, gay and straight.

It's probably the hat.
 

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was kind of dissapointed with him reviewing this game :( imo guitar hero is as appealing as a karaoke bar filled with drunken germans.
 

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Am I the only person who finds the fact that "heterosexuality" is a tag for this review to be hilarious enough?

Never played GH though and was only the slightest curious about it. Because, all in all, I can't accept a game that involves the mastery of the 12 songs you're confined to and the only chance of getting some new insane tracks to get your cramps on is by buying the inevitable sequel which is pretty much the giddy proclamation of "We've added 10 more songs now, but this totally new feature but not actually fundamental to change the core of the game or to even call it a new game makes it worth it for us to stea-I mean for you to spend your well spent 60 bucks on it."

You could correct me on this though. Because I never touched any of the guitar heroes.

I mean the game!
 

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was kind of dissapointed with him reviewing this game :( imo guitar hero is as appealing as a karaoke bar filled with drunken germans.
You can have a pretty good time with a karaoke bar filled with drunken Germans, imho.
 

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I can't accept a game that involves the mastery of the 12 songs you're confined to
Agreed. Unless Rock Band gets released on PC (or Wii), and has a wide range of optional extra songs to buy/download, I won't bother with it. (Although, allowing myself a little dreaming, if they release any Blue Oyster Cult albums for Rock Band... I won't be able to resist.)
 

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as far as i am theoretically informed thats not what you do when you are shit faced with naked girls.
Sex is more fun sober. Guitar Hero is where it's at when you break out the alcohol.
That and hunting EMO's with a crossbow.
 

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Loved the review. From my experience GH3's hard and expert modes are REDICULLOUS and I simply don't have time to try and learn to play like that. With rockband, me and my friends can take turns at each instrument. Appendages tired of wailing on the guitar? switch to drums or the vocals.

great review. Tom Morello is uber, but legend of rock...dunno
 

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Divinegon said:
Never played GH though and was only the slightest curious about it. Because, all in all, I can't accept a game that involves the mastery of the 12 songs you're confined to and the only chance of getting some new insane tracks to get your cramps on is by buying the inevitable sequel which is pretty much the giddy proclamation of "We've added 10 more songs now, but this totally new feature but not actually fundamental to change the core of the game or to even call it a new game makes it worth it for us to stea-I mean for you to spend your well spent 60 bucks on it."

You could correct me on this though. Because I never touched any of the guitar heroes.

I mean the game!
The original Guitar Hero game had 47 tracks (30 "As Made Famous By" well-known covers, 17 indy band tracks as unlockables). Each subsequent release had more, (I believe) except for Encore: Rock the 80's, which everyone knows is shite. In addition, each song has 4 difficulties, which really amounts to 4 different experiences with each (at least as a newcomer, as an experienced player you basically skip easy or medium unless you really want the in-game money). And, as of Guitar Hero II, each song has two different sets of notes to play, with a guitar part and either a bass or rhythm guitar part. Again, more to play than just 10-12 songs over and over again.
 

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Awnsering to your question in the video.. No i didn't find odd the fact that the character used a sting on image 110 because the sting is used to hold the floating hand because it seems the floating mechanism is broken... /unless you mean the singer Sting %|
 

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Yay, a good review of GHIII...it's rather annoying to find everyone raving over a game that basically works as an expansion pack. Isn't an expansion pack defined as adding new things while tweeking the gameplay just a tad? IE, not really doing anything new?

And THANK YOU for the remarks about the GH freeks. Honestly, why does one spend hours and hours trying to play Through the Fire and Flames when they can get just as much attention as getting halfway though that song as being able to play something easy on an ACTUAL guitar. God forbid people channel all of this into something actually productive...not to say that it's bad, just overrated...

*plays more entertaining rhythm game*
 

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I really like GH... until I try to play it on the expert mode, then after like 30 attempts I stop playing it and try to get a life or something

Oh,and I thought I was the only one who missed Clive Winston, he was my favorite character too! Why he isn't in the game?? When my friend said he wasn't I didn't believe him LOL
 

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1: Hard difficulty isn;t too bad. But just as it was said, the last section sucks butt and is impossibly hard. All of you out there who beat dragonforce on expert... you have truly sold your soul to the game "you are fags!":p

2: WTF happened to co-op quickplay. I just want to sit down with my friends and play. I don;t want to have to earn every level again, on every difficulty to play with them

Well done Yahtzee. Yet again... amazing.
 

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Chis said:
Divinegon said:
I can't accept a game that involves the mastery of the 12 songs you're confined to
Agreed. Unless Rock Band gets released on PC (or Wii), and has a wide range of optional extra songs to buy/download, I won't bother with it. (Although, allowing myself a little dreaming, if they release any Blue Oyster Cult albums for Rock Band... I won't be able to resist.)
You can stop begging for Blue Oyster Cult or other groups from that decade, unless you like covers (GH has had a BOC song or two already). Master tracks recorded in ways useful for the purpose of these games don't exist so they will all have to be re-recorded. The reason Rock Band only has contemporary songs is because they wanted all master tracks. GH still incorporates older music, but again they're covers, and people whine incessantly about it.

Somebody else complained about RO backstabbing Harmonix when they went with a new developer...

Harmonix wasn't backstabbed by RO. RO was the publisher (and owner) of the Guitar Hero IP and they got bought out by Activision. At this point Harmonix was still working with RO to create GH2 and later Rock of the 80's. During this time Harmonix was bought by MTV Games (which I believe EA owns some stake in) so they became competitors. Harmonix got to do what they wanted and that was create Rock Band, an idea that they had pitched to RO earlier but RO felt wouldn't sell well enough due to the additional cost of the drums and difficulty to play them.

As a bit of trivia, RO had been working on a Drum Hero game prior to the announcement of Rock Band but decided to scrap the project when they felt that the game was too difficult for non-drummers to pick up. Creating a peripheral that was sturdy enough to withstand the pounding of continual drum play wasn't cheap either and you can tell this is true by the very shotty nature of the Rock Band equipment, they've had huge problems with all of their peripherals to this point (except the mic). My friend snapped the bass pedal in half and he wasn't even playing it that hard, it was just poorly made.

RO seems to have been correct in their assessment as GH sales are completely obliterating Rock Band currently and its not because Rock Band is supply constrained.


For people posting that playing guitar hero is a waste of time and unproductive... Please stop posting on message boards and go write a best selling novel instead, it will be more productive and has about the same correlation as playing guitar hero and playing an actual guitar.
 

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As always, Zero Punctuation brings that small ray of light into my dingy, poor boy existence.

Also I recommend Rock Band for those who are fans of Guitar Hero but be mindful of the new, cool guitar. Some of them have problems and the company is trying to fix this.

Either than that, the drums r tough. Good Luck.
 

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i love the jerks thing, especially since i used to be apart of the gamespot community,
also i never thought yahtzee was gay, i mean i don't spend anytime in these particular forums, but nothing he has said would lead me to believe he was gay
in fact didn't he devote roughly 20seconds to tits in one review?
 

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i cant believe im the first to mention this (or at least i think i am) but...what the hell is wrong with learning to play a real guitar? :|
I agree, the only GH i've played is GHII. After I failed misserably at beating Missirlou on expert, a friend said "That's bullshit, i think that's even harder than playing a real guitar." 4 months of practice later, i realized he was right, and playing a real guitar makes me proud :D but i do gotta admit, playing GH with a friend is still great fun
 

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Evilducks said:
Master tracks recorded in ways useful for the purpose of these games don't exist so they will all have to be re-recorded. The reason Rock Band only has contemporary songs is because they wanted all master tracks. GH still incorporates older music, but again they're covers, and people whine incessantly about it.
I have no problem with the cover of Godzilla. In fact I think it's just as good as the original. In further fact, I think nearly all of the covers on the original Guitar Hero were fantastic. I am NOT begging, you are just trying to find a reason to take a pot shot from your ivory tower. You've obviously never heard of multi-track reel-to-reel analogue tape which, up until the 80s, was the de-facto recording medium for professional studios. Hell, some of them still use it.
 

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"Mario Kart Syndrome" = sheer brilliance.

Thought I was the only one that found those games since the SNES release to be an annoying mess of over-the-top "crippling" power-ups. I have not-so-found memories of the lightning bolt "power-up" that basically turns all your competitors into complete shit for 5 seconds. What was the point, other than to make the racing redundant and dependent on who gets lucky with power-ups? With the next Mario Kart they should push the envelope further, and add a power-up that gives Mario and friends terminal brain cancer right at the start of a race.

Sad to see that GH3 has some aspects of this, it deserves better multiplayer. P.S. One of your best reviews yet.
 

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I wouldn't say it's good, and I wouldn't say it's bad. I just don't see the point to it.
 

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am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks?
no, and this is the "review" that relinquishes yahtzee's award for seemingly best taste in videogames on the internet. gh 1 was novel, sure, but it wore thin and quickly became mind numbingly dumb
 

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Evilducks said:
For people posting that playing guitar hero is a waste of time and unproductive... Please stop posting on message boards and go write a best selling novel instead, it will be more productive and has about the same correlation as playing guitar hero and playing an actual guitar.
but, the exchange of ideas is fruitful - much more fruitful than exercising hand-eye coordination in a very uninteresting and limited way
 

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I own Guitar Hero 3 and I have beaten the entire game on Expert.

And I have to say, this review was positively brilliant. I agreed with every word of it. Raining Blood is not fun, it's not like Bark at the Moon where at least the song is good and inspires you to keep going, it's just pure, unadulterated shit that is hard for the sake of being hard. I beat it just so I could say I beat it and I have quite literally never played it ever again since then because I'd rather jump in a ditch and then light the ditch on fire.

Also, yeah, WTF did they do with Clive Winston? He was my favorite character too.
 

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I have to agree with the whole "freak" theory of some of these fucking songs. It seems like only Christ Almighty or that fucking down-syndrome kid on youtube can do some of these songs on expert.

Edit: Anyone aside from the above two examples who would complete such a feat really neds to find a better use for their time... or an occupation that requires bionic fingers... they would make a killing.
 

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Sure, call me a freak. I've done enough to be considered one in this game (5-star all the expert songs and beat TTFAF anyone?)

In all honesty, this is like taking a hammer, smashing it against my fingers and trying Jordan on expert on a continuous run. I agree almost entirely whole-heartedly with this review (the first in a while, you've been slipping in and out of your groove lately yhatzee.) and... well crap, I'm surprised you didn't burn it more.
 

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Was that...John Romero?
That takes me back.
Gaming is in need of a new over exposed whipping boy. Let's use Cliffy B! Sure his games more or less deliver, but who cares.
 

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hahaha i think yahtzee is trying to convince himself he isnt gay more then he is the rest of us. so yes, keep telling yourself that. whatever gets you to sleep at night.
 

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Wanker's cramp, lol. Eddie Knox is my favorite character who is also MIA from Guitar Hero 3.
 

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VMerken said:
Vorsuc, hi :)
Allo!

VMerken said:
Sure you wanted to quote me?
Sure, but please, we're all intelligent boys and girls, ignoring the points made in a reply and just dismissing disagreements with 'well that's your opinion' is very disrespectful. Either respect your OP enough to offer counter points and discussion of their points or ease the finger off the reply button.


VMerken said:
The fact that you talk about "more free time than sense" indicates you're stereotyping the hardcore as well. A lot of hardcore gamers spend about as much time on games than a regular gamer, but they focus on a few titles while regulars use the same time to play ten games in a row. It's basically horizontal broadening versus vertical depth.
But x hours on 10 games or x hours on 5 is still x hours of time, which *most* people don't have.

The point I feel the review was trying to make and that the one I re-iterated was that while the early stages of the game can be completed with a reasonable 'time investment' the later stages require the patience of a saint and isolation in some secret government bunker removed from such distractions as a day job, family, kids and 'life'.

The point that 'hardcore gamers just play less games' (which is surely a definition that depends on who you talk to) doesn't really enter into the equation.


VMerken said:
But these things are relative - for all you know, the GH3 QA team thought this to be a gradual difficulty curve.
And were ZP done by said GH3 QA team, you'd have a point. As it is, we're all here for
Yahtzee's opinion. And on that topic...

VMerken said:
So the question remains: if a game offers you a challenge, do you step up to it, or not?
Which brings us back to the original point that 'yes we do, but only when it is indeed a challenge, not mission sodding impossible'.

Maybe I'm not 'hardcore' enough, maybe Yahtzee isn't, god knows he's mentioned often enough in his reviews that he's more than happy to f**k a game right off if it stops being fun and that's the key part of the point being made.

Not that we're running away from the challenge of GH3 when it is asking us to open a can of soda without breaking a nail, but that suddenly without warning game switches from 'ooo this is a bit tough' to the button mashing equivalent of sending the South Ascot Ballerina Association into Iraq on a peacekeeping mission, without any reason or warning other than the dark chuckle eminating from the console.

Sure that's the *opinion* being offered here, but just because it isn't yours doesn't make it wrong nor should it be a reason for you to "take offense" when such opinions are offered.

Happy gaming.
 

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vorsuc said:
And just to throw this in there, Morello is FAR more of a legend of rock than the ego-train wreck that is Slash, not just playing guitar on our generations most famous rock anthems but also adding the hat of remixer and producer to his collection. I felt slighted for him that he was the 'easier' boss on the game.
You had me until this point. Seriously. I love Rage as much as the next, but Slash is kinda a rock demi-god, whatever one's opinion about his ego is. You'd have to get Kurt Hammet or Eddie Van Halen (etc) to compare, and yeah. This is not a dis to Morello, it's just that he's nowhere near as big of a legendary name as Slash, and his band isn't exactly Classic enough to qualify for Legend status. So.
 

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Kogepan said:
Corbineau said:
Kogepan said:
Wow, I hope you're not gay, Yahtzee. There go all my wicked fantasies.

Great review as always. :D Thanks for brightening my Wednesdays with your dry, sarcastic wit.
I hope he is, as that's what all my wicked fantasies revolve around.
LOL! I'm sure Yahtzee will be pleased to be the subject of so many wild fantasies, gay and straight.

It's probably the hat.
I will stop spamming this board now, but I simply had to say that your JTHM icon rocks.
 

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...yes... but... :) It's on PC now - so all the console-haters finally got this game. :) And apparently it's selling like fu[beep]g crazy!
 

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I agree with you completely about the difficulty.
I gave Rain of Blood a few tries and then decided that I was done with the game.
 

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Sorry, Corbineau I don't really have the time to read through five pages of messages. And that wasn't meant to rude, it's just the truth. It's quite nice to know, though :D
 

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I would also like to point out that the people he calls freaks are the one who would send him emails about how he sucks at Guitar Hero and shouldn't criticize it because of that.

Also, as to people who don't understand the draw of GH: I personally see GH as more of an "interactive listening experience" than a game really. The songs that I keep coming back to and playing over are the same ones that I have subsequently bought and put onto my MP3 player.
 

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Great review! I enjoy the game, but it truly can be too difficult sometimes. The Yapper dog bit reminds me of an Eddie Izzard routine. Keep it up, man!
 

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The video, she is down, she won't load! Why does the escapist fear the you tube? reliable servers backed by the might of google is made of the good surly?

scratch that i'm a fool...apparently firefox isn't playing ball...safari was happy to play ball

ball was played
 

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Corbineau said:
Jeigan said:
So... Am I the only one who wishes Yahtzee actually was gay?
Clearly you missed my earlier post.

To sum up: not at all.
Seconded, and yes, it is definately the trilby.

Also, I don't hate GH3, but I also wouldn't fork out AUD$148.00 to buy the thing.
 

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Oi Oi Yahtzee!
Y'know what really sucks about GH3?
The thing that blatantly shows you that Neversoft have got their greasy mits on it?
You can use cheats.
CHEATS
WHAT THE HELL MAN?
I mean, i love the game, its great, makes me feel badass infront of my friends ^-^
But, Cheats man..........
Thats like, admitting that your game is so shoddy that the only way you can possibly spruce it up a bit and make it a little more intersting is to make it so you can fuck the hard way and still come out a winner.....


Not happy man,
Neversoft screwed up Tony Hawks Pro Skater
And now this.....
 

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Lets get this comment buried in the pile then.

Yahtzee's the reason I'm on this forum. It gives me a reminder to watch his rants every week. And yeah, there are some things I wished he complained about (such as, I dunno, the publishers basically pissing on us loyal PS2 users who've been with the franchise since GH1 by passing off the port to a third party or how multiplayer is to be enforced if we want to play some of the songs), but then again I realise Yahtzee isn't me so he can complain about whatever he wants.

And hey, genuinely funny piece I fully agree with on a game I went out and bought on (UK) release date regardless of knowing how much of a cash in it is, formed by someone who seems to be at the same "just about competant at Hard but don't put me in front of that Slayer song please" level as I am. I'm a happy little mini-fanboy now. Can't wait for next week's.
 

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Hey Vorsuc :). Your feedback is much appreciated.

VMerken said:
Sure, but please, we're all intelligent boys and girls, ignoring the points made in a reply and just dismissing disagreements with 'well that's your opinion' is very disrespectful. Either respect your OP enough to offer counter points and discussion of their points or ease the finger off the reply button.
Well, right back at you. You dismissed the point made in my OP and instead talked about something else in your reply. Even hinted at me being part of the "pissing contest", which isn't true. By the way, I did address some of your points and offered counter points or tried to rationalise since differing, equivalent perspectives exist. That's why I broke up your post and responded to each "block". Sorry if some counter arguments point to their relativity, but that's how I see it.

vorsuc said:
But x hours on 10 games or x hours on 5 is still x hours of time, which *most* people don't have.
x is a variable, and thus x can equal 0. So the equation you propose is valid for all people, although I won't consider the x=0 population for obvious reasons.

The precise value of x depends on the person involved, sure. How much time is one willing to invest in video gaming? How much time does one have available? The precise amount can differ from day to day. It's a complex matter, which is why comparisons can only be made if x is the same for the gamers you're trying to compare. That was the assumption I made in my previous posts. Thing is you can have hardcore and regular gamers with x = 10, you can also have such gamers with x = 1. As long as x is the same for both, one can compare their gaming behaviour, evaluate it on an equivalent basis.

It's the same in science: in order to study gas pressure in function of gas volume, all other relevant gas parameters need to be constants.

By the way, a more accurate depiction of "regular gamer versus hardcore gamer" isn't 10 games versus 5 games, but rather 10 games versus 1 - maybe 2. A hardcore gamer specialises, a regular gamer wants different experiences. Whether they each play 1 hour a day on their games or 10, is irrelevant.

vorsuc said:
The point I feel the review was trying to make and that the one I re-iterated was that while the early stages of the game can be completed with a reasonable 'time investment' the later stages require the patience of a saint and isolation in some secret government bunker removed from such distractions as a day job, family, kids and 'life'.
Sure, but the review also made it a point (and showed it visually) that if you live up to the challenge of GH3, then you're a "freak". Which means the people who made those GH3 Youtube movies are freaks. Sorry, but I do not consider (the majority of) them freaks and am a little offended (not utterly and completely offended, of course, this is Zero Punctuation after all :) at that kind of gamer branding.

vorsuc said:
The point that 'hardcore gamers just play less games' (which is surely a definition that depends on who you talk to) doesn't really enter into the equation.
It does, and is central to my considerations, as shown above. I do not call someone who plays video games 10 hours a day just to complete them "hardcore". However, someone who plays 1 video game 1 hour a day could very well be hardcore, if the player already completed the game earlier on and is now attempting to hone his/her skills.

Of course, within this terminology, a regular gamer could also be considered a sign of going "hardcore", since in that case the player's genre of choice is "playing everything". However, if one wants to go truly deep in that case and become hardcore at it, the time investment needed will be significant, and that is not something I'd expect a regular gamer to cough up. There are always exceptions, of course.

vorsuc said:
And were ZP done by said GH3 QA team, you'd have a point. As it is, we're all here for Yahtzee's opinion. And on that topic...
Yahtzee's review is only one viewpoint concerning the relativity of the perceived difficulty curve of GH3 - which fits perfectly to the point I discussed.

vorsuc said:
Which brings us back to the original point that 'yes we do, but only when it is indeed a challenge, not mission sodding impossible'.
Again, whether or not it's mission sodding impossible is relative. For you it is, for someone else it isn't, for yet someone else it was but no longer is because he or she practiced or discovered a new, seemingly trivial insight which turned out to be crucial for the game segment involved. Either way, *IF* the QA team was up to snuff (important assumption, obviously), the segment you're facing is definitely not mission sodding impossible. Several people got past it. It's up to you to run away or find out how they did it (with or without a little help).

So let me rephrase my question: "You're at a point in the game where it *seems* mission sodding impossible. Do you persist, or back down?"

vorsuc said:
Maybe I'm not 'hardcore' enough, maybe Yahtzee isn't, god knows he's mentioned often enough in his reviews that he's more than happy to f**k a game right off if it stops being fun and that's the key part of the point being made.

Not that we're running away from the challenge of GH3 when it is asking us to open a can of soda without breaking a nail, but that suddenly without warning game switches from 'ooo this is a bit tough' to the button mashing equivalent of sending the South Ascot Ballerina Association into Iraq on a peacekeeping mission, without any reason or warning other than the dark chuckle eminating from the console.
Personal anecdote: first time I faced Nightmare (a boss creature) in Devil May Cry (Normal mode), I thought I was going insane. Before, everything went relatively smooth, but Nightmare creamed me like no tomorrow with me not even close to denting it. Major spike in difficulty for me. Knee-jerk reaction: "What the **** were they thinking with this thing"?! I faced a choice: quit playing and never see the ending, or persist. I persisted, gradually discovered a few interesting facts about Nightmare's defences, and eventually overcame the challenge. And it felt great - personal victories like that are an important part of gaming for me now, and I can appreciate the road you need to follow to achieve them. Like I said before, rhythm games are not my genre so I can't say if the GH3 spike is similar to the DMC spike I experienced, but the existence of the Youtube videos lead me to suspect that this is indeed the case.

vorsuc said:
Sure that's the *opinion* being offered here, but just because it isn't yours doesn't make it wrong nor should it be a reason for you to "take offense" when such opinions are offered.
Again, I do not take offense because Yahtzee perceived a difficulty spike and talks about it. I take offense in him calling those who got past that spike "freaks". I'm pretty sure that save for a few exceptions, this simply isn't the case.

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Happy gaming.
Thanks, you too :).
 

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Yahtzee and Maddox are quite similar, if you look. Both use copious amounts of sarcasm, swearing, wit and absurdity to make points and laughs. They also both seem to be awe-inspiring and hate-inducing at the same time.

I'm not saying Yahtzee copied Maddox, mind you. I'm just saying they're similar... and it's working for both of them. It being their style.

Anyway... I am confused as to why people are getting so defensive about G.H 3. It didn't seem that special to me, I have no idea who any of the "famous" people are and it just looks boring, to be honest.

I think the only good thing I can say about it is that it caused Yahtzee to make me laugh, which is the only good thing I can say about Halo 3, as well.

It's not System Shock 3, Mercenaries 2, Prototype or Duke Nukem Forever... why are there so many people getting worked up about it?!
 

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Hmm...All I really thought of GH3 was that it was just an excuse to have a bigger playlist, and nothing more. They took out Clive Winston, Eddie Knox, Paradox, and replaced them with a 10 year old Midori, Elroy Budvis (WTF?), and MetalHead. I actually happen to like MetalHead, but I guess I will never understand why Midroi and Elroy (still...WTF?) had to be included. Multiplayer was practically left in the dust, even though Battle Mode was the newbie. But Battle Modes tends to be either very fun (if you throw no powerups at all or just sparringly) or very cruel for the dickheads that leave their Guitars hanging up whenever they got a powerup. To me, GH3 is basically GH2 on steroids (Even more so with the incredible difficulty on Hard Mode. DAMN YOU RAINING BLOOD!), but I still got it for the Wii since I never owned a Guitar Hero game.

Plus now that I hearing more about Guitar Hero for the DS (maybe it's just me), I'm actualy kind of damning the idea. I'd rather see the sequel of Elite Beat Agents be made. Thanks Yahtzee for that review. YOU ROCK!!!

...I need coffee.
 

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Sorry, Corbineau I don't really have the time to read through five pages of messages. And that wasn't meant to rude, it's just the truth. It's quite nice to know, though :D
It's all good. :D We should start a band.
 

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I haven't enjoyed any of the GH series, but I attribute it to a lack of musical talent that extends even into to video game realm. I'm not saying the games are bad, but perhaps rhzic speaks for those of us whose musical ability peaks at synching an Ipod.
 

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Plus now that I hearing more about Guitar Hero for the DS (maybe it's just me), I'm actualy kind of damning the idea. I'd rather see the sequel of Elite Beat Agents be made. Thanks Yahtzee for that review. YOU ROCK!!!
Elite Beat Agents sequel... oh yes now please. I'm curious as to how Guitar Hero would work on the DS, but I think more dubious than anything else.
 

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Corbineau said:
Voodoo Child said:
Seconded, and yes, it is definately the trilby.
Mmmm... Trilby.
Yes, the trilby adds a certain... je ne sais quoi. :D

And thanks re: the icon! Jhonen Vasquez is godlike in his art style and humor.
 

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Eh... this was the worst review yet... Always been a huge fan, but this review was neither terribly critical, informative or funny.

"I'm not gay!" c'mon. Stupid joke.

ps. Review Mario Galaxy!

-Keith
 

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Yahtzee just sucks at Guitar Hero III.

Seriously, besides hammering out achievements, there is absolutely no reason to play Guitar Hero on anything but expert. It's just too fucking easy. Guitar Hero is in the RYTHYM genre for a reason: you need to have a sense of rythym. If you don't, then either stay away from the game or enjoy the 1-note-every-five-minutes stylings of easy and medium.


I am pissed at the lack of Clive Winston, but as Judy Nails was my character of choice I'm more pissed that she has been completely slutified and turned all "hardcore" and shit. What happened to the fun-loving, cute little bundle of videogame character from Guitar Hero II?
 

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jackolantern said:
that is absurd, sir.
No more absurd than telling people playing a video game to do the real life 'equivilent'. Spend what, 60 bucks for your latest FPS.. or a few thousand for a good rifle, not to mention the cost of ammunition, time at a firing range... Much like it would cost a great deal more and more time invested to learn a real guitar. The comparison is actually fairly similar.

jackolantern said:
but, the exchange of ideas is fruitful - much more fruitful than exercising hand-eye coordination in a very uninteresting and limited way
Calling anonymously posting on a message board about a video game review a fruitful exchange of ideas is about as silly as calling playing guitar hero a guitar training simulator.
 

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ive never played it. i cant say it struck my appeal, being able to play a real guitar an all. but a good review nevertheless.
 

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I suppose I could be called a 'hardcore' GH player. I log more hours on Guitar Hero games than I do on just about any other type of games, although I enjoy the RTS genre and of course multiplayer Smash Bros.

I also play real guitar. OMG. Totally different things. Real guitar costs about as much as a next-gen console + GH + controller for a decent guitar and amp, and the guitar learning curve is MUCH steeper and more complex than the Guitar Hero curve... and you can't play any other games on your amp other than "let's annoy the neighbors."

I have been playing real guitar for about five years now and have prior musical experience with other instruments, and I still can't play "Freebird" or "Cliffs of Dover" on my real guitar. Hell, I can play War Pigs, but that's only third tier GHII, right? Honestly, comparing Guitar Hero to real guitar is like comparing Counter-Strike to paintball; there's a major cost difference between the two, and a reasonable increase in difficulty along with other distinctions.

Guitar Hero can also be a lot more fun as practicing real guitar by yourself is not always fun and can be quite frustrating. Also, having the whole "backing band" behind you in Guitar Hero is very satisfying, as is nailing "that tricky spot." It's like a jumping no-scope headshot to all you Halo players or killing twelve Zerglings with four Marines in Starcraft; that "YES!" feeling.

One of the main reasons I am attracted to Guitar Hero is because it is a very social game. It is easy to get people of all sorts to play with me, even (and especially) women. Try getting a girl with little to no gaming experience to play Halo or Starcraft or Baldur's Gate II and, even if they're willing to try, they get frustrated and confused very quickly. Guitar Hero, on the other hand, is easy to pick up, even for those with little to no prior gaming experience, but difficult to master.

I like the fact that there are hard tracks on GH3; however, I don't think that they should have been in the main setlist. The bonus songs are where the absurd finger-tying stuff should really go, and this is coming from someone who's 4-starred One and Cliffs of Dover, passed Raining Blood, and beaten the Devil. Also, I agree on the "WTF" for quickplay co-op. Online co-op and pro faceoff is awesome though...

I also agree on the negative effects of product placement and the generally ugly look of the game. The drummer in particular moves like a bad Disney robot. And, the new hammer-on system can be confusing. But, overall, there are a lot of great songs and great times to be had with it.

Guitar Hero actually singlehandedly revitalized my interest in gaming. Before Guitar Hero, I had fallen into a pattern of playing games to "beat" them, and not necessarily for fun. Guitar Hero really injected the "pure fun" back into the gaming experience for me in a way that the Wii was supposed to (but didn't for me), and for that alone I strongly recommend it, regardless of how suddenly successful or sold-out it is.

There's this conscious backlash against the "mainstream" and "successful" games, bands, and television shows in today's critical society; to that I say, get off your elitist high chairs and come down and have some fun.
 

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Okay so:

1) Wednesday is no longer just "Oh my God, only two more days until I'm free for the weekend" day. It's "Gotta Have Yahtzee Day"

2) I fucking love you. Your videos are amazing, I love your wit and humor - it makes me smile when nothing else can, I swear.

So thank you for that.

-bows-
 

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I can't believe people are offended by the "freak" comment. I highly doubt Yahtzee was taking a shot at hardcore gamers...in fact, he probably meant it as a compliment. Tiger Woods is a freak. Not because of some weird deformity or obsession, but because it seems like his body was created by almighty God to swing a golf club and his talent far exceeds what any normal person should be able to do, even with decades of practice.

Yahtzee wasn't saying that if you can beat the game on expert you are the type of freak that isolates himself in his basement for months doing nothing but play GH. He meant that you have a natural gift for that type of game...you should be grateful. Or maybe you should curse God for giving you a gift that is, on the whole, absolutely worthless compared to hitting golf balls and making millions of dollars. But you get the point.
 

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Getting it for xmas on pc...finally out on the RIGHT hardware. And don't worry, I won't be experiencing any of the slowdown that all of those noobs are having, I have a supercomputer. Anyways. Having the gh2 controller from the 360 and having it wired definitely sucks BALLS. But thats how commie bastards treat the pc. Oh well. At least I don't have to pay to play online.
 

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At least he had the brains to use Cliffs of Dover. From 1990, me thinks. You folks alive in 1990?
 

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Corbineau said:
Jeigan said:
Sorry, Corbineau I don't really have the time to read through five pages of messages. And that wasn't meant to rude, it's just the truth. It's quite nice to know, though :D
It's all good. :D We should start a band.
Heh, what would we call ourselves? Shadows of a Gentleman Thief?
 

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I'd credit my ability to play GH
(ability demonstrated here: http://www.guitarhero.com/accounts/339806)
TO the fact that I play a number of instruments (so I play bass, not lead guitar... that doesn't make me gay - right? ...Right?) and that I've always been more musically inclined than most.

That entirely useless argument aside (I'd really just like to find more players at my skill level to compete against - more on that in a sec), I have to say my main gripe (yes, I definitely had the "way too hard" one at first, despite the fact that I'm apparently better at GH3 than GH2) is the fact that when you compile the difficulty along with the large number of "singles" tracks - that is, the very large number of songs from the last 24 someodd months(they feel like ads for the bands) and the other lingering issues, I really don't feel there enough content here to justify a purchase UNLESS you have friend(s) of comparable skill level (I don't) or you play online a fair deal (I do, though enjoyment varies by game mode - modes which don't force the opponent to play on the same difficulty level are heavily handicapped against the higher difficulty player, and are often exploited by gamerscore whores.)
Also, the achievements kinda suck a fair deal. did I mention that? I'm never gonna 1000 the game (well, I can't get 750,000 pts, anyways) because I have no desire of playing the game on Easy... gah.

Review was funny as always, regardless.

Also, I really didn't care for "Guitar Queer-o", as much as I like some episodes of South Park (See: most of the "Imaginationland" trilogy).
 

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I'd credit my ability to play GH
(ability demonstrated here: http://www.guitarhero.com/accounts/339806)
TO the fact that I play a number of instruments (so I play bass, not lead guitar... that doesn't make me gay - right? ...Right?) and that I've always been more musically inclined than most.

That entirely useless argument aside (I'd really just like to find more players at my skill level to compete against - more on that in a sec), I have to say my main gripe (yes, I definitely had the "way too hard" one at first, despite the fact that I'm apparently better at GH3 than GH2) is the fact that when you compile the difficulty along with the large number of "singles" tracks - that is, the very large number of songs from the last 24 someodd months(they feel like ads for the bands) and the other lingering issues, I really don't feel there enough content here to justify a purchase UNLESS you have friend(s) of comparable skill level (I don't) or you play online a fair deal (I do, though enjoyment varies by game mode - modes which don't force the opponent to play on the same difficulty level are heavily handicapped against the higher difficulty player, and are often exploited by gamerscore whores.)
Also, the achievements kinda suck a fair deal. Did I mention that? 'Cause they do. I'm never gonna 1000 the game (well, I can't get 750,000 pts, anyways) because I have no desire of playing the game on Easy... gah.

Review was funny as always, regardless.

Also, I really didn't care for "Guitar Queer-o", as much as I like some episodes of South Park (See: most of the "Imaginationland" trilogy).
 

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Brodel2 said:
@am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks?
No ... u're not...it's the most idiotic game ever... and "Who's Tom Morello ?" ...are u fuckin hamsters?!?!? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time (check no.26)
Yahtzee U "twat" ,do u see Slash anywhere on that list?!? but I guess the boys and girls at the Rolling Stone are a bunch of gays
 

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JoeCooL said:
Brodel2 said:
@am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks?
No ... u're not...it's the most idiotic game ever... and "Who's Tom Morello ?" ...are u fuckin hamsters?!?!? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time (check no.26)
Yahtzee U "twat" ,do u see Slash anywhere on that list?!? but I guess the boys and girls at the Rolling Stone are a bunch of gays

Joe you forgot one important thing... rolling stone is not the ultimate truth about myuzik..(well if you think it is then your loyalty is gravely misplaced) and in fact has very little to do with actual musicianship.It rather concerns itself with the showbiz aspect...... so if you are looking for a good call on whos the best guitarist then pick an axe learn some licks, break some fingers spill some blood and make up your own bloody mind about whos who rather than listen to a bunch of corporate swines..
 

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Who the hell is Tom Morelles (balls?), and what's it doing next to Slash? I'm pretty sure most people would rather believe Celine Dion was a guitarist worthy of the front cover of GHIII than some poor sod from nowhere.

Amazing review - I laughed 'til my tummy hurt, repeatedly.
 

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JoeCooL said:
No ... u're not...it's the most idiotic game ever... and "Who's Tom Morello ?" ...are u fuckin hamsters?!?!? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time (check no.26)
Yahtzee U "twat" ,do u see Slash anywhere on that list?!? but I guess the boys and girls at the Rolling Stone are a bunch of gays
Being good (or exceptional in this case) at guitar does not make you a "Legend of Rock." Most people don't know who Morello is, anybody who even vaguely remembers the 80's knows Gun's n Roses and the top hat wearing guitarist... that would be Legendary.
 

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All gayness and difficulty issues aside, I'm just glad to find out that I'm not the only person that has played Guitar Hero until my arms and hands cramped up. Hell, I've KEPT playing it, through the cramps and agony, because I was having so goddamned much fun. It's a bit sad that the peas-taped-to-your-arms struck me not as sad, but as a BRILLIANT idea.

Well okay, maybe just a bit sad.
 

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Jeigan said:
Corbineau said:
Jeigan said:
Sorry, Corbineau I don't really have the time to read through five pages of messages. And that wasn't meant to rude, it's just the truth. It's quite nice to know, though :D
It's all good. :D We should start a band.
Heh, what would we call ourselves? Shadows of a Gentleman Thief?
That could work ;)
 

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I was fairly dissapointed with the music listing of GHIII. Where's Santana? Where's Hendrix? The lack of those two is a sin. One that can't be atoned for by anything less than ritual suicide.
 

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I was fairly dissapointed with the music listing of GHIII. Where's Santana? Where's Hendrix? The lack of those two is a sin. One that can't be atoned for by anything less than ritual suicide.
Well, the Santana is right here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3158625460993936780

D:
 

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Corbineau said:
Jeigan said:
Corbineau said:
Jeigan said:
Sorry, Corbineau I don't really have the time to read through five pages of messages. And that wasn't meant to rude, it's just the truth. It's quite nice to know, though :D
It's all good. :D We should start a band.
Heh, what would we call ourselves? Shadows of a Gentleman Thief?
That could work ;)
Actually, I was hoping you world say something that didn't suck, but sure, let's go with that. Afraid I don't have Rock band though :p
 

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You can stop begging for Blue Oyster Cult or other groups from that decade, unless you like covers (GH has had a BOC song or two already). Master tracks recorded in ways useful for the purpose of these games don't exist so they will all have to be re-recorded. The reason Rock Band only has contemporary songs is because they wanted all master tracks. GH still incorporates older music, but again they're covers, and people whine incessantly about it.
Interesting theory, given that Rock Band has a master track of Don't Fear the Reaper.
 

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Maybe Morello would have to wear a hat and be showy like Slash, and people would know him.
It does not undermine his talent, and the Rage would have been much less interesting without him.

I'd laugh my ass off if Santana made its way into GH III though. If anything, the GH controller is probably enough for him and his "music".

Wait. He's in? Yes? Oh crap.
 

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The appeal of Guitar Hero escapes me. It is the Simon/God of War button mashing but with music this time instead of killing people or things of that nature. I recall thinking that the first time I saw guitar Hero in action when visiting family. I understood how it worked and why it would appeal to people, but was also gripped by a severe lack of desire to even bother trying it once, much less spend my time mastering the danged thing. It's strange, because when I was twelve, I would have been all over Guitar Hero. It is the sort of fiddly reflex game at which I tended to excel. now that I'm older, I would rather take an iron hook, shove it up my nose, fish out my brain and train it to do tricks like a dog, including fetching my slippers and paper.
 

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GH3 had several problems, and this ZP addresses them well. I'm just going to agree and add on so...

1) Difficulty level. The Hammer-on Pull-offs were easier (the first time I was able to get them) but shit just felt difficult to be difficult, instead of challenging. I never-ever-play GH on a level beyond Medium, because I have a life with a whole host of other responsibilities I need to ignore; actually practicing to get better at this game is not worth it. However, I start on Medium, and just go; usually, with a little work I've been able to manage the other games. Not so, here.
1a) In addition, when there are 'boss' battles (which suck hippo balls) that come down to luck (which ALSO sucks hippo balls) then fuck that noise. If the idea is to pretend you're in a band, then you should have experiences that feel like band ones, not Highlander with guitars.

2) Songs that can only be unlocked in Co-op.
Some of us don't have friends who want/can help us do this, bastards. I was really surprised no mention of this was in the review, since Yahtzee has repeatedly stated how he doesn't care about multiplayer in games. Basically; there are 6 (or so) songs I can't touch without cheats. That's bullshit, since I paid my $ for the game.

3) Graphics. The graphics (at least for the PS2 version I had) were actually worse than previous incarnations.
How the hell do you manage that?

4) Tom Morello is considered one of the great guitarists by other people who play guitar. He really is impressive, if you listen to a lot of rock music. That said; I totally understand where the review is coming from. And, anyone who thinks Slash can't play guitar is out of their friggin minds. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean he's not brilliant at it. (Also true of Morello)

So yeah. This was the first time I would advise someone to NOT get a GH game. I was just really disappointed.
 

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Good review, and I totally agree with the 'Quit the game here brick wall of difficulty jumping doom.' Still haven't beaten that.

However, I don't know if anyone has griped yet about the retarded adds on whatever video hosting service the reviews are hosted on, but holy crap. That add popover thing and the annoying videos afterwards when I forget to close the window. Whats wrong with Youtube? There must be slightly lessing annoying alternatives.
 

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Jeigan said:
Corbineau said:
Jeigan said:
Sorry, Corbineau I don't really have the time to read through five pages of messages. And that wasn't meant to rude, it's just the truth. It's quite nice to know, though :D
It's all good. :D We should start a band.
Heh, what would we call ourselves? Shadows of a Gentleman Thief?
Actually, I think that would be an excellent name for a rock band. Then again, it's hard to do worse than "The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus". :p
 

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I suppose it has a certain ring to it, but it's missing something... It just doesn't roll off the tongue. Hey Yahtzee, what do you think? Or do you not read these?
 

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So ... when are you and the escapist gonna stop dicking around, buy a huge pc and review Crysis? I fear you'll have to jam forks in your eyes though ;)
 

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So ... when are you and the escapist gonna stop dicking around, buy a huge pc and review Crysis? I fear you'll have to jam forks in your eyes though ;)
What, because Yahtzee will find it so monotonous that the only way to escape the bland is to shove forks in his eyes?
 

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By far the funniest ZP I've watched to date. The ending had me in tears!

I hope my boyfriend doesn't try playing GH3...
 

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I registered just to say:


There IS, absolutely IS, coop quickplay. It's under the 'Multiplayer' section, instead of being on the main menu. Shame, Yahtzee!

But, now that I'm here, I might as well spew my unsolicited opinion like every one else:

Gay jokes aren't all that funny. The odd one here or there's fine, but a whole review with the theme... it just isn't funny. Been done before and way better. Sorry.
 

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am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks? i mean come on, its on a super powerful computer and you get what a couple of dozen songs? all but four suck, and its completely repetative game play. could they not just bump it up? anyways amazing review [but isnt it always] the blue screen bit at the end was well good.
no, your not. learn real fucking guitar, you priks.

having said that, i guessguitar hero is as good as it gets as far as party games go. as already said in review, at least it has some decent music in it.
 

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great episode!:D your the only reason i registerd on this site... i wanted to make comments on your videos... IM NOT GAY!
 

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TSED said:
I registered just to say:


There IS, absolutely IS, coop quickplay. It's under the 'Multiplayer' section, instead of being on the main menu. Shame, Yahtzee!

But, now that I'm here, I might as well spew my unsolicited opinion like every one else:

Gay jokes aren't all that funny. The odd one here or there's fine, but a whole review with the theme... it just isn't funny. Been done before and way better. Sorry.
Hell, he probably does it just to egg people like me on... such a tease...
 

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First time poster, but I love Yahtzees reviews, it usually hit the nail straight home and did it again with this. It even got an impact on my local gamestore, we watched the Jericho review and he decided not to bring the shait into the store :)

JoeCooL said:
No ... u're not...it's the most idiotic game ever... and "Who's Tom Morello ?" ...are u fuckin hamsters?!?!? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time (check no.26)
Yahtzee U "twat" ,do u see Slash anywhere on that list?!? but I guess the boys and girls at the Rolling Stone are a bunch of gays
You can also look at the date posted, the lack of Mike Oldfield and that Mark Knopfler is rated under both Tom Morello and The Edge, my respect for U2 and The Edge is boundless, but is a better guitarist than Mark Knopfler? No he isn't, any "Top 100" list with Knopfler not in the top 10 is a axe job.... IMHO.
 

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How Yahtzee got Guitar Hero Three:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071216/od_afp/canadainternetdrugchristmasoffbeat
 

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i still stay with my view on any guitar hero-like game... Its as appealing as a karaoke bar filled with drunken germans....
 

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TSED said:
Gay jokes aren't all that funny. The odd one here or there's fine, but a whole review with the theme... it just isn't funny. Been done before and way better. Sorry.
Agreed. The jokes would seem to be making fun of homophobia. But like racism and sexism, ridiculing homophobes usually isn't funny (at least to me) because they're sad and pathetic.

I'm not saying that I want Yahtzee to start being Politcally Correct - anything but! That's one of the things that makes his stuff great, that he'll go places other people are afraid to, and be smart and funny about it. My point is just that teh gay jokes weren't funny to me.
 

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Beanish said:
TSED said:
Gay jokes aren't all that funny. The odd one here or there's fine, but a whole review with the theme... it just isn't funny. Been done before and way better. Sorry.
Agreed. The jokes would seem to be making fun of homophobia. But like racism and sexism, ridiculing homophobes usually isn't funny (at least to me) because they're sad and pathetic.

I'm not saying that I want Yahtzee to start being Politcally Correct - anything but! That's one of the things that makes his stuff great, that he'll go places other people are afraid to, and be smart and funny about it. My point is just that teh gay jokes weren't funny to me.
Yes, you put it much more eloquently than I did.
 

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I wasn't planning on buying Guitar Hero III in the first place, mostly because I already have Guitar Hero II for the Xbox 360, as well as the original Guitar Hero on my PS2, and partly because their are so many other good games out their for my consoles which don't require you to chuck out 100-ish dollers to make you play them.
 

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lordshitzu said:
Evilducks said:
You can stop begging for Blue Oyster Cult or other groups from that decade, unless you like covers (GH has had a BOC song or two already). Master tracks recorded in ways useful for the purpose of these games don't exist so they will all have to be re-recorded. The reason Rock Band only has contemporary songs is because they wanted all master tracks. GH still incorporates older music, but again they're covers, and people whine incessantly about it.
Interesting theory, given that Rock Band has a master track of Don't Fear the Reaper.
True, they have the master track for that song...

However if you look at the list of their available tracks:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/830/830709p1.html

You can see that the older the songs are there is a much higher chance of the song being a cover. Some studios didn't use good equipment back in the day, some studios have actually lost master tracks since then (I don't know how they managed this) etc. Basically both games have master tracks if they are available for the song, they only do covers now in desperation.
 

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Lord Leinad said:
I wasn't planning on buying Guitar Hero III in the first place, mostly because I already have Guitar Hero II for the Xbox 360, as well as the original Guitar Hero on my PS2, and partly because their are so many other good games out their for my consoles which don't require you to chuck out 100-ish dollers to make you play them.
You can buy it without the guitar since you already have GH2 (and I assume a guitar for it).
 

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JoeCooL said:
No ... u're not...it's the most idiotic game ever... and "Who's Tom Morello ?" ...are u fuckin hamsters?!?!? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time (check no.26)
Yahtzee U "twat" ,do u see Slash anywhere on that list?!? but I guess the boys and girls at the Rolling Stone are a bunch of gays
I'm sorry (well, not really), but that has got to be the worst such list ever produced. Kurt Cobain and Jack White among the top 20 _guitarists_ of all time?! Laughable. Whether you like those two or not, you can't argue that their biggest strength is as guitar players.
 

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TSED said:
Beanish said:
TSED said:
Gay jokes aren't all that funny. The odd one here or there's fine, but a whole review with the theme... it just isn't funny. Been done before and way better. Sorry.
Agreed. The jokes would seem to be making fun of homophobia. But like racism and sexism, ridiculing homophobes usually isn't funny (at least to me) because they're sad and pathetic.

I'm not saying that I want Yahtzee to start being Politcally Correct - anything but! That's one of the things that makes his stuff great, that he'll go places other people are afraid to, and be smart and funny about it. My point is just that teh gay jokes weren't funny to me.
Yes, you put it much more eloquently than I did.
I thought they were funny. You didn't. It's all good.

But I think that as soon as you use the phrase 'teh gay' to describe homosexuals or gay people-that's a fail.
So see-we both have circumstances where we don't see the humor in things.
/smiles
 

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rhizic said:
am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks? i mean come on, its on a super powerful computer and you get what a couple of dozen songs? all but four suck, and its completely repetative game play. could they not just bump it up? anyways amazing review [but isnt it always] the blue screen bit at the end was well good.
no, your not. learn real fucking guitar, you priks.

having said that, i guessguitar hero is as good as it gets as far as party games go. as already said in review, at least it has some decent music in it.
I'm going to reiterate this for you. Guitar Hero is about 1/1000 as complex as learning guitar. It's a game. If they want to learn guitar they'd have done that.
 

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JoeCooL said:
Brodel2 said:
@am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks?
No ... u're not...it's the most idiotic game ever... and "Who's Tom Morello ?" ...are u fuckin hamsters?!?!? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time (check no.26)
Yahtzee U "twat" ,do u see Slash anywhere on that list?!? but I guess the boys and girls at the Rolling Stone are a bunch of gays
The stupidest thing I saw was Slash not being included on this list ESPECIALLY when KIM THAYIL ex Soundgarden guitarist was really just a tool that Chris Cornell was using in his band and he's at the bottom of the list. What a joke.. so yes the guys and girls at Rolling Stone are a bunch of gays. I can't believe this list even exists and continues to exist after initial conception. Do you play guitar? Do you know Guns 'n Roses? Have you ever listened to Appetite for Destruction? Tom Morello doesn't even come close to what Slash has achieved as a guitarist or even the kind of clout he brings as a guitarist. Tom Morello is very cool, but I don't want to be a part of the world that ranks him above Slash... that's a joke... almost a travesty to see. You should be ashamed of that list
 

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The Rogue Wolf said:
Jeigan said:
Corbineau said:
Jeigan said:
Sorry, Corbineau I don't really have the time to read through five pages of messages. And that wasn't meant to rude, it's just the truth. It's quite nice to know, though :D
It's all good. :D We should start a band.
Heh, what would we call ourselves? Shadows of a Gentleman Thief?
Actually, I think that would be an excellent name for a rock band. Then again, it's hard to do worse than "The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus". :p
'Yahtzee You Charismatic Stallion' might also be too loaded for a band name, but then again, maybe not.
 

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soladrin said:
i still stay with my view on any guitar hero-like game... Its as appealing as a karaoke bar filled with drunken germans....
And I still stay with my previous response-- a karaoke bar full of drunken Germans can be a really bloody good time.
 

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You keep telling yourself that Yahtzee... but you did make me stay up another hour because I knew that the new Zero Punctuation would be out. Feel free to gloat over your ability to keep a girl awake all night.
.... I think I love you.
 

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Great review, kept me laughing the whole time. I don't own a guitar hero game, but I've played GH2 a good bit. I'm thinking of buying one for my 360, and because of this review, I might just save some money and get GH2 instead of GH3. And nice choice on Cliffs of Dover.
 

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JoeCooL said:
Brodel2 said:
@am i the only person on the planet that think GH sucks?
No ... u're not...it's the most idiotic game ever... and "Who's Tom Morello ?" ...are u fuckin hamsters?!?!? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937559/the_100_greatest_guitarists_of_all_time (check no.26)
Yahtzee U "twat" ,do u see Slash anywhere on that list?!? but I guess the boys and girls at the Rolling Stone are a bunch of gays
Referencing that list is just fucking moronic. That's gotta be the worst list of anything musical ever compiled. First off, Slash, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, and Peter Frampton weren't even on the list. Eddie Van Halen was number 70. S-E-V-E-N-T-Y. Also, Mark Knopfler and Brian May deserve higher spots. And Kurt Cobain and Jack White didn't deserve to be as high as they were. I could keep on going, but I'll just stop here. That list is a godawful piece of shit.

Anyway, as for Todd Morello, yea, he's a good guitarist, but couldn't they get anyone better? I think both Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave (he was guitarist for that group,too) are good bands, but what the hell? I mean, compared to Slash, he's just not a legend of rock.
 

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Fuck! I never thought Yahtzee would spout a review that I could find fault with, but QUIT CRYING ABOUT THE FUCKING DIFFICULTY for fucks sake. It's only 5 buttons, and yes, its a nerfed down 'fisher-price' guitar that makes me feel like i need to start overcompensating... but my point is, I play real guitar, as well as hero guitar, and it comes with the equivalent of 144 buttons. Nailing a song for real is much more rewarding, and earns you FAR more respect with your friends, and more importantly, it attracts MUCH MUCH more pussy. Another thing... Tom Morello truly is a legend of rock. I've seen him use a guitar in ways that only Jimi Hendrix could imagine. Finally, if you want more songs, heres how to get them on PC. Go out and get Guitar Hero for PC, or get an adapter to turn an XBOX Mk1 cord into USB, then go download FretsOnFire from Sourceforge.net (its a home dev'd Guitar Hero for PC, and fully moddable), then go to www.fretsonfire.net. There you will find links and instructions on how to get THOUSANDS of songs to tear up on your PC with your GH controller. They even have global high scoring for the truly competitive.