Zero Punctuation: Mailbag Showdown

Fire Daemon

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Ragdrazi said:
ElArabDeMagnifico said:
Ragdrazi said:
I'm confused as to how a review can be mediocre. In my mind all a review can do is exist or not exist.
that's some flawed logic - it's like saying something can't be good or bad, it can only 'exist'.
Things can't inherently be good or bad. The can only exist. This is the way reality is. Someone can come along and say, this is bad, that is good. It doesn't actually make them good or bad. It just means some human has attached the word good or bad to a thing. In reality that attachment means precisely squat.
He is right you know, when a perception of something changes depending on the viewer than that object being percieved has no real identity.

If someone thinks this post makes sense while an other person may think that it makes no sense then it neither makes sense or does not make sense.
 

Fire Daemon

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Honestly though guys, the way you act in here is giving the rest of the Website a bad name. Just let it drop, ignore what he said about Nintendo, just relax, take some deep breaths and settle the fuck down.

The same can be said to you Yahtzee defenders as well because chances are if he gives Gears of War 2 or MGS4 a bad review you will take the place of the Nintendo fans.
 

Shia-Neko-Chan

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Ragdrazi said:
Too long. Neko. Too much. All of it's been responded to. See my above response about the difference between giving an opinion and making a statement of fact.

I will say this though:

"Also, he insulted a lot of SSBB fans angrily calling them things like 'fanboys'.

So yeah, I can see why SSBB fans are upset."

See, the problem there is a lot of SSBB fans insulted him. You notice they also went after his friends a little bit as well. That's how a fanboy behaves.

So yeah, you can see why we have this from him.
It goes both ways, but I was talking about the actual SSBB review and not this angry fanmail video, because you know, Yahtzee threw the first few insults in his SSBB review.

Also, I don't see your post. I do see the whole good and bad not existing post. It doesn't make much sense, but that's another discussion for another time.
 

slimer

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Hysterical.

A highlight of my week.

Thanks mate.

(If we all harrass him enough, we could make him do a review of Wii Fit. Make that pasty white pommy arse bounce around!)
 

thahat

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tagMaverick said:
Yahtzee rips on games that I like too, but the fun in it is that all the flaws he points out are there. People play the games saying "well it isnt THAT bad" and "this flaw doesnt TOTALLY ruin the experiance" where as Yahtzee will straight off say what bothers him and have a good laugh about it. That's what makes a good critic, someone who will always strive for Perfection!
correction NOT all the flaws he stated are there:
you dont have to play single player to unlock all the chars, you can also just play a whole lot of multi, they unlock themselves for instance

oh, and the button mashing fact, i gues anyone has played fighter/beat em up games before, there is ALWAYS a char you can buttonmash on, sure smash wont be different, BUT, and yes the but counts, as long as people* know what they are doing, mashers will be beaten.
( i mean seriusly, you can flail all over the place all you want but if i have a raygun and your swinging your sword 50 meters away i cant be bothed to be hit, y'know? )

*people with a brain
 

thahat

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slimer said:
Hysterical.

A highlight of my week.

Thanks mate.

(If we all harrass him enough, we could make him do a review of Wii Fit. Make that pasty white pommy arse bounce around!)
BEST SUGGESTION EVER.
that, and at least EVERYONE even the wii owners will lough at that one XD, sport + games just dont mix m'lord, unless its a sports game and you have a controller :D
 

agerdemon

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The 1000 mark coming up soon, aren't we sad!! Nintendo are like religious extremists irrational idiots. We on the other hand are buddhists of the game world impartial and laid back (I think).
 

staffs

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Shia-Neko-Chan said:
War & Peace
I'd normally respond to something like this point by point but you've only really made one, over and over again. Why do you feel the need to demand irrefutable proof of every little statement? This is a video game review, not a court of law. Not that your rebuttle is even any more evidence based than his original statements. You talk very loftily about the need for proof, and things having to holding water, but then you just state that a bunch of things are fact - with no supporting evidence at all.
 

Poptart Fairy

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Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that the smacks against SSBB have been taken as some deadly insult, but the "white enough to afford all three" comment is free of negative response?

:<
 

Kidfender

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I enjoy Smash Bros, but i'm not enough of a **** to take it personally, actually i find that every game in the series gets old fast and i soon find myself playing something better, like Guitar Hero or Bioshock.

Very well done, those twats needed something like this
 

Muadeeb

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"...as well as some of the more credible ones." The key word here being "more" because they were barely credible. I can't believe people actually require a score at the end. I thought we were trying to abolish scoring all together? We should be, especially since GTA IV got perfect scores from most reviewers.

Brawl is still the only game that four of us can sit together and have a good time. Split screen isn't a good time and anyone who thinks thats entertainment should sit on a pike while having accupuncture needles pressed into their eyes by the woman from 'Audition.'

Discovering the fastest way to unlock all the characters is playing for twelve hours was a huge kick in the balls, afterwhich I turned into "That Guy" and then I was fucked. I tried to counter it by letting other people play without me for a while but then my bastard Wii stopped reading the disc and my GPU overheated. Can you believe it? A Nintendo product that breaks?

Anyway, another great video, blah blah and all that shite.
 

Dectilon

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thahat said:
you dont have to play single player to unlock all the chars, you can also just play a whole lot of multi, they unlock themselves for instance

oh, and the button mashing fact, i gues anyone has played fighter/beat em up games before, there is ALWAYS a char you can buttonmash on, sure smash wont be different, BUT, and yes the but counts, as long as people* know what they are doing, mashers will be beaten.
( i mean seriusly, you can flail all over the place all you want but if i have a raygun and your swinging your sword 50 meters away i cant be bothed to be hit, y'know? )

*people with a brain
I think he rather meant that he dislikes having to unlock major features in party games like this one.

As for button mashing, you can't deny that if you compare what button mashing gets you in Brawl or Soul Calibur as compared to something like Guilty Gear the differences are quite striking.
 

BYeth

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Ragdrazi said:
BYeth: First of all, it not fanboyism to enjoy someone picking apart fanboys. Yes, but to do it in a "omg i told u brawl sux n now yahtzee sez so LOL justice is served" is quite like the fanboyism you so badly shun, isn't it? I enjoy that wither it's Yatzee or some random post I see. Most of the "random posts" here are like the example I stated. Secondly, I don't think anyone's called anyone a stupid person for liking Brawl.The first few pages. "anyone who likes SSBB is dumb" "dumb SSBB fanboys" "SSBB is such a dumb game nobody likes it except for those dumb Nintendo fans". It's scary, yes, and it's not even an exaggeration. But if you're going to like something while dismissing all its faults out of hand, you're a fanboy. And if you dismiss all the good points and magnify every flaw you could find and put down fans of a game you are a...? I understand you have a sense of nostalgia that's going to make you want to excuse those problems, but you're going to have to accept that not everyone's on board with you. For instance, if you're going to say I should buy a new TV to play this game, well... that's excusing a fault out of hand. I don't quite get you. Try explaining this to me again please. You're entitled to your opinion. But, you have to accept that everyone else is as well. I do. I didn't target my post at you, but most of the "against SSBB" people here. There are some sensible ones, but most of them are like the cited example.[/i] You don't think playing single player for half a day to unlock content is bad. Yatzee does. Ok. Accepted. You don't think including Japanese characters is bad. Yatzee does. Ok. Accepted, but really. Would you rather less characters that could help introduce you to a game or a character that could potentially find you your favourite game ever? e.g. Fire Emblem To defend anything by saying your opinion is correct simply because it is your opinion is not acceptable. I agree? To defend the game by saying that playing for half a day isn't bad, and Japanese characters are fine is not acceptable. To say "I personally don't have a problem with these things," is. I see you.
My answers in Italics.
 

sanzar

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Ragdrazi said:
MrFinn said:
I really don't know why people take these reviews so seriously. The show is just another form of entertainment based around feedback to the games world
See, and this is the ultimate point of the review(?). Even if Yatzee is 100% wrong in every one of his opinions, why would anyone respond with anything but a shrug and an ignore.
Sorry to be pedantic, but how can an opinion on a game be "wrong"? In fact how does one have a "correct opinion"? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of it being an opinion? EG: In my opinion SSBB is a good game because I enjoyed the multiplayer and the mindless chaos. In Yahtzees opinion the game is a steaming pile of shit because he hated the multiplayer and the mindless chaos.
Which one of us is right (it's a trick question for those of you who are contemplating siding with either one of us)?
 

YOUNGN20

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I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now. Thank you for this Yahtzee. Thanks to you I now have a new saying when I see whiners now:

GO TEAM RETARD!

That is offical my new saying and sig!

I swear, I had to replay that like 10 times because the way you said it was to funny. I also liked the spell check as you contiune to burn the whiners. Oh that was priceless!

Yahtzee, you are not a mear reviewer, and I and greatful for that.

Thank you!
 

Garynn

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I find Yahtzee's reviews refreshingly brutal and honest, saying what many other reviewers might be thinking, but would be too scared to actually say.

There is one point, though, that seemed, to me, to be rather unnecessary. Judging from the comments, many other people agreed with Yahtzee, but since I only skimmed through the comments I don't know if anyone else pointed this fact out yet.

I'm talking about "That Guy" syndrome. It's when one person happens to be better at the particular game than the friends he's playing with, and ends up trashing and humiliating them and getting *****-slapped in return.

What's wrong about it? It's a perfectly valid situation, and ends up potentially ruining the game for everyone.

The problem is that many games I've seen have a counter: handicap settings.

Maybe there's a simple reason many gamers overlook it. Maybe there's a taboo on handicap, because if you insist on using the settings it's almost like admitting that you're mentally handicapped. It likens you or your friend to a drooling, retarded boy slouching in a wheelchair while his nurse quietly takes the controller out of his hands.

Of course, handicap settings can actually make the game fun again. My family and I have been using them for over a decade. It's practically a requirement when you have three brothers and a dad sitting down at a four-player game, especially when you need both hands to count the collective age difference between the brothers.

The Super Smash Bros. series goes one step further and has an automatic handicap setting. If you win round, your lose a handicap level. If you lose rounds, you gain handicap levels. That's exactly what we did manually with Goldeneye 64, and having the feature to do it automatically (and in Brawl's case, behind the scenes) was really nice.

At handicap's most extreme settings, you can set up a mentally retarded hamster versus a Jedi, and the hamster will have a good chance of winning. The advantage of handicap options are simply thus: All players can play to the best of their ability, and everyone gets their turn kicking ass and getting their ass kicked. Unless, of course, that smells too much like socialism to you.

If your "That Guy" is a real jerk-hole, too, he can feel smug and secure in the knowledge that you needed the odds stacked in your favour to win. You, on the other hand, still got the pleasure of properly dragging his ass all over the stage and delivering sweet vengeance.

I'm a weirdo in that I'll usually explore all the menu options of a game before actually playing the game proper, so I usually discover if there are handicaps or not. At the least, I've discovered that console games without that setting don't tend to be played in multiplayer all that often.

Next time you're playing with a group of friends, and you just want to sock "That Guy" in the eye, maybe you should see if there are handicap options in the game. Of course, if there aren't, go ahead and sock him one.