Zero Punctuation: Mailbag Showdown
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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Thank you, thank you, Yahtzee. I always look forward to your reviews. To whether I agree or not, it doesn't matter. The review is fun enough.
To all the true Nintendo/Yahtzee fanboys: The worst thing you can do to an artist is tell them everything they make is perfect.
Brawl: Mediocre.
Brawl review: Mediocre.
It's okay to have fun playing a mediocre game, or watching a mediocre review. In fact, the fun can make that game/review perfect... for you, not for everyone.
Brawl: Mediocre.
Brawl review: Mediocre.
It's okay to have fun playing a mediocre game, or watching a mediocre review. In fact, the fun can make that game/review perfect... for you, not for everyone.
well yahtzee gets the crap he deserves i knew this was gonna happen, not the fact that he actually made a VID about it but damn i guess that's a bonus! anyway i knew that a ton of ppl were gonna give a shitload of fuck about it cuz brawl really is a damn good game. CANT WAIT TIL HE 'CRITICIZES' GTAIV!!
...How are you not banned?!Mr.Phuckyou said:
You're the most idiotic fanboy I've ever seen, your comments are atrocious...LEAVE! NOW!
Quadruple-reported. Learn grammar, stop being a fanboy, and grow up.
I doubt anyone is really reading this at 900+ posts but here goes... I guess it means I am getting old but what really suprised me through all of this is this whole console "fanboy" thing. I guess can understand how someone can be a "fan" of one game or another, and I can even understand defending that game... but how can some kid be a fan of Nintendo? Or Sony, or whatever. Nintendo is a giant impersonal corperation, without any particular philosophy and simply existing to make more money. Kids being fans of that really shows how sad the world has become.
I would make the same critique of the modern games market that I make of much of the modern music industry. It all comes down to money. Big companies put a hell of a lot of money into new releases and those releases have to make that money back... so they play it safe. Rather than creating innovative-but-risky games they take the standard "known-to-work" formulae and re-hash them. A lot of modern music suffers from the same fate... uninspired covers of old favourites are littering the charts. When was the last real anti-establishment "rock-star"... do you remember? I think it must have been Kurt Cobain. I feel really sorry for kids today... how do you rebel these new-rock/metal bands littering MTV? I'm not critizing these bands musically but they are first and formost corperate babies... so sold-out and over-hyped that even your mum likes them.
People say Yahtzee is negative reviewer. I don't think so. He will always say what is fun/good about a game even if not dwelling on it. Bearing in mind the ammount of money these companies often spend to release a game and how much they expet us to pay for them, I believe that its completely reasonable to put them under the critical microscope. Its not that all these games are terrible to play but do you ever stop to think with a little imagination how much more we could be getting from our games...?
I would make the same critique of the modern games market that I make of much of the modern music industry. It all comes down to money. Big companies put a hell of a lot of money into new releases and those releases have to make that money back... so they play it safe. Rather than creating innovative-but-risky games they take the standard "known-to-work" formulae and re-hash them. A lot of modern music suffers from the same fate... uninspired covers of old favourites are littering the charts. When was the last real anti-establishment "rock-star"... do you remember? I think it must have been Kurt Cobain. I feel really sorry for kids today... how do you rebel these new-rock/metal bands littering MTV? I'm not critizing these bands musically but they are first and formost corperate babies... so sold-out and over-hyped that even your mum likes them.
People say Yahtzee is negative reviewer. I don't think so. He will always say what is fun/good about a game even if not dwelling on it. Bearing in mind the ammount of money these companies often spend to release a game and how much they expet us to pay for them, I believe that its completely reasonable to put them under the critical microscope. Its not that all these games are terrible to play but do you ever stop to think with a little imagination how much more we could be getting from our games...?
Way to go. It's always good to know that someone out there actually has the wit and the balls to shaft those annoying little fan boys all in 3 minutes with such power.
that's some flawed logic - it's like saying something can't be good or bad, it can only 'exist'.Ragdrazi said:
Ahahah, awesome. A song from The Proclaimers that people don't know.
oh, and I elohel'd at the mailbag concept. Hope to see this again in the somewhat distant future. I'd hold off until you review Spore.
PS Kudos on the John DeFoe quadrilogy, just finished it recently, and must say you are one talented bastard, Yahtzee. /orf-torpic
oh, and I elohel'd at the mailbag concept. Hope to see this again in the somewhat distant future. I'd hold off until you review Spore.
PS Kudos on the John DeFoe quadrilogy, just finished it recently, and must say you are one talented bastard, Yahtzee. /orf-torpic
Making the jokes in the first part a bit more blatant. Guess they were too subtle? Whatever, it was late.
oh, and
If you're going to reply to this post, at least read the whole post, so there won't be any misunderstanding.
In an earlier post, someone summarized the points Yahtzee made in his SSBB review.
Let's see which ones actually hold water.
1. This game suffers from a problem common to all fighters. It can quickly descend into a fight that is no more challenging than hitting buttons over and over with no attempt at strategy. It's not a programming fault, but it's still there.
I play the game all the time, if you're not using strategy or skill, you're dead.
In a skillful match with experienced players, that kind of thing is mandatory.
Kind of like checkers or chess. It can descend into mindless moving of pieces over and over with no attempt at strategy, if you're bad at it.
Holds no water.
2. The characters are too small and the camera zooms out too far.
Only if you have bad eyesight or a bad TV.
If one of these are true, then it holds water.
joke. Different people have different preferences, obviously.
GET SOME FREAKING GLASSES, YAHTZEE! >:O
Until one of these are proven, I'll say it holds no water.
I play with my friends all the time, one of them has terrible eyesight. He has never complained about this. Hm. :/
Still a joke. Who am I to say someone has bad eyesight, over the internet no less?
3. The particle effects are distracting and obscure the action.
I've never heard anyone say that before. Does Yahtzee have bad eyesight?
HAW HAW HAW, YAHTZEE SCREW U AND UR BAD EYESIGHT! BECAUSE I CAN TELL FROM HERE, RIGHT? WITHOUT KNOWING HIM IN PERSON? HAW HAW HAW!
If Yahtzee has bad eyesight, then this holds water.
Until this is proven, I'll say it holds no water.
Again my friend with bad eyesight has never mentioned this.
donmai, joke.
4. For a first time play, it is disappointing to have to unlock characters that have been hyped by the company for the new game.
THAT was bad, yes. Holds water.
5. Some of the characters aren't that well known outside of Japan. Since this is a world-wide release, it should feature the more mainstream characters so that people can relate to the game better.
... no. How is that even a complaint? I could maybe agree with him if the game really was all about the characters, but the fact is, the game would still be fun with or without Snake.
Definite no.
6. The single player is good and a lot of hard work was put into it, but they make you go through it twice which becomes boring and repetitive to the point that you feel like you're stuck in "Groundhog Day."
I never even completed single player adventure. This is a legitimate complaint. yes.
7. This game was disappointing because there is nothing new and interesting about it. It's the same old game repackaged and resold. Nintendo needs to develop some new concepts.
New doesn't mean good. Sometimes a simple update is a good thing.
no.
So, 5 out of 7 complaints were there just because Yahtzee wanted to troll SSBB players.
HINK HINK! YAHTZEE'S BAD EYESIGHT MAKES FOR DEFINITE FAIL!
LET'S GO TO THE MALL, DOUG!
I'll say 3 out of 7 if his eyesight really is that bad.
real one! Again, how the crap am I supposed to tell if his eyesight is that bad?
In that case, Yahtzee should wear glasses while playing.
Here's the real part.
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He insulted a lot of SSBB fans angrily calling them things like "fanboys".
So yeah, I can see why SSBB fans are upset.
I always thought Yahtzee's reviews were jokes and not supposed to be taken as legitimate reviews, but this video makes it seem like otherwise.
In that case, then if Yahtzee didn't want the hate mail, then he should have picked more legitimate complaints about the game to bring up in his review. Things like:
1. It's too easy to fly away in this one.
2. Tripping is stupid.
3. The online sucks.
4. Most of the levels suck and hold annoying elements that take away from gameplay and use of skill.
5. The single player is very short.
6. Pit is a cheap character.
If he brought up actual design flaws like these, I probably would've agreed with him.
Note, just for the heck of it: I was commenting on how the flaws brought up in the video were more personal, making it hard to understand why he didn't like the game.
SSBB is a popular game because of the multiplayer experience, the fact that characters need mastering and use of strategy.
Also, yeah I think having Snake and Fox in it is pretty cool. I couldn't care less about the other characters.
Maybe a bit overrated, but a good game nonetheless. Any game where the gameplay is so fine tuned that the characters take skill and mastery to use properly to a professional level is a fun game, but in SSBB's case, It's only that fun if you're playing on Final Destination against a skilled friend.
I never even play single Player.
So yeah, I can see why Yahtzee didn't like SSBB. He was probably playing on Ness and Luke's stage against his friends, and I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume Yahtzee and his friends don't know the first thing about playing SSBB skillfully. ***(Now that I think about it, a lot of the stages' cameras are kind of far away from the characters. On Ness's level, it's hard to tell what I'm doing.)*** On Single Player, I'm not a fan of SubSpace Emissionary. It just wasn't that great, especially the great maze. I bored myself to death on that part. Yahtzee himself went through story mode twice! I probably wouldn't like SSBB as much if I went through all of that.
That's all I have to say about it.
Yahtzee's at fault for using complaints that a lot of us can't relate to, yet so are the Nintendo fans for not realizing SSBB's not perfect.
oh, and
If you're going to reply to this post, at least read the whole post, so there won't be any misunderstanding.
In an earlier post, someone summarized the points Yahtzee made in his SSBB review.
Let's see which ones actually hold water.
1. This game suffers from a problem common to all fighters. It can quickly descend into a fight that is no more challenging than hitting buttons over and over with no attempt at strategy. It's not a programming fault, but it's still there.
I play the game all the time, if you're not using strategy or skill, you're dead.
In a skillful match with experienced players, that kind of thing is mandatory.
Kind of like checkers or chess. It can descend into mindless moving of pieces over and over with no attempt at strategy, if you're bad at it.
Holds no water.
2. The characters are too small and the camera zooms out too far.
Only if you have bad eyesight or a bad TV.
If one of these are true, then it holds water.
joke. Different people have different preferences, obviously.
GET SOME FREAKING GLASSES, YAHTZEE! >:O
Until one of these are proven, I'll say it holds no water.
I play with my friends all the time, one of them has terrible eyesight. He has never complained about this. Hm. :/
Still a joke. Who am I to say someone has bad eyesight, over the internet no less?
3. The particle effects are distracting and obscure the action.
I've never heard anyone say that before. Does Yahtzee have bad eyesight?
HAW HAW HAW, YAHTZEE SCREW U AND UR BAD EYESIGHT! BECAUSE I CAN TELL FROM HERE, RIGHT? WITHOUT KNOWING HIM IN PERSON? HAW HAW HAW!
If Yahtzee has bad eyesight, then this holds water.
Until this is proven, I'll say it holds no water.
Again my friend with bad eyesight has never mentioned this.
donmai, joke.
4. For a first time play, it is disappointing to have to unlock characters that have been hyped by the company for the new game.
THAT was bad, yes. Holds water.
5. Some of the characters aren't that well known outside of Japan. Since this is a world-wide release, it should feature the more mainstream characters so that people can relate to the game better.
... no. How is that even a complaint? I could maybe agree with him if the game really was all about the characters, but the fact is, the game would still be fun with or without Snake.
Definite no.
6. The single player is good and a lot of hard work was put into it, but they make you go through it twice which becomes boring and repetitive to the point that you feel like you're stuck in "Groundhog Day."
I never even completed single player adventure. This is a legitimate complaint. yes.
7. This game was disappointing because there is nothing new and interesting about it. It's the same old game repackaged and resold. Nintendo needs to develop some new concepts.
New doesn't mean good. Sometimes a simple update is a good thing.
no.
So, 5 out of 7 complaints were there just because Yahtzee wanted to troll SSBB players.
HINK HINK! YAHTZEE'S BAD EYESIGHT MAKES FOR DEFINITE FAIL!
LET'S GO TO THE MALL, DOUG!
I'll say 3 out of 7 if his eyesight really is that bad.
real one! Again, how the crap am I supposed to tell if his eyesight is that bad?
In that case, Yahtzee should wear glasses while playing.Here's the real part.
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He insulted a lot of SSBB fans angrily calling them things like "fanboys".
So yeah, I can see why SSBB fans are upset.
I always thought Yahtzee's reviews were jokes and not supposed to be taken as legitimate reviews, but this video makes it seem like otherwise.
In that case, then if Yahtzee didn't want the hate mail, then he should have picked more legitimate complaints about the game to bring up in his review. Things like:
1. It's too easy to fly away in this one.
2. Tripping is stupid.
3. The online sucks.
4. Most of the levels suck and hold annoying elements that take away from gameplay and use of skill.
5. The single player is very short.
6. Pit is a cheap character.
If he brought up actual design flaws like these, I probably would've agreed with him.
Note, just for the heck of it: I was commenting on how the flaws brought up in the video were more personal, making it hard to understand why he didn't like the game.
SSBB is a popular game because of the multiplayer experience, the fact that characters need mastering and use of strategy.
Also, yeah I think having Snake and Fox in it is pretty cool. I couldn't care less about the other characters.
Maybe a bit overrated, but a good game nonetheless. Any game where the gameplay is so fine tuned that the characters take skill and mastery to use properly to a professional level is a fun game, but in SSBB's case, It's only that fun if you're playing on Final Destination against a skilled friend.
I never even play single Player.
So yeah, I can see why Yahtzee didn't like SSBB. He was probably playing on Ness and Luke's stage against his friends, and I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume Yahtzee and his friends don't know the first thing about playing SSBB skillfully. ***(Now that I think about it, a lot of the stages' cameras are kind of far away from the characters. On Ness's level, it's hard to tell what I'm doing.)*** On Single Player, I'm not a fan of SubSpace Emissionary. It just wasn't that great, especially the great maze. I bored myself to death on that part. Yahtzee himself went through story mode twice! I probably wouldn't like SSBB as much if I went through all of that.
That's all I have to say about it.
Yahtzee's at fault for using complaints that a lot of us can't relate to, yet so are the Nintendo fans for not realizing SSBB's not perfect.
