Zero Punctuation: Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam

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IMO, I blame Miyamoto for most Mario games being formulaic drivel. From the stuff I've read, whenever Nintendo's teams tried to do something creative or the like with the Mario games after Super Paper Mario, Miyamoto would intervene. It happened with Super Mario Galaxy 2, and it happened again with Sticker Star, and I'm guessing it was also the case here...
 

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Strange thing is that it looks like Miyamoto had no involvement in this installment. Though, it also looks like AlphaDream, the developer, hasn't made anything else since they began working on the Mario & Luigi series.
 

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Oh man! A new Mario RPG game! I can't wait to see how Yahtzee steps out of his comfort zone and universally praises this game for its engaging story, clever gameplay mechanics and laugh out loud comedy!



EDIT: Oh that's a shame. Good thing my comfort zones are logic and reality! And having stepped out of them I truly loved his praise of this game!
 

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Superstar Saga was good too, back then it wasn't a formula yet and the more animated combat allowed more variety than Paper Mario. Shame that series went downhill/retreaded old ground until it reached the elevation of downhill.
 

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to be honest, the Thousand Year Door is one of those games I really hope gets re-released seeing as it's a game I never had the chance to play. And considering that most people seem to really love it, I'm surprised Nintendo has yet to put it up on the eshop, the cost of prettying it up a bit'd be payed off by the end of day one of release. But maybe that's just my wishful thinking...
 

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There is a new 3DS called the New 3DS (most confusing name ever) with a second little analog stick sort of nub in case you care. There was also one that came with Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate which I know you don't care about, even if giant monster fights are far more common than in Tri (as in every mission with a couple of exceptions more common).
 

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"Hope you don't mind paper cuts"
"Where are they getting all the cardboard fro - OH MY GOD, YOU MONSTERS!"

Based on the ending scene, I guess Princess Peach doesn't mind.
 

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Ok, that ending... way to make Super Mario terrifying for us, Yahtzee!
 

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Multiverseman said:
IMO, I blame Miyamoto for most Mario games being formulaic drivel. From the stuff I've read, whenever Nintendo's teams tried to do something creative or the like with the Mario games after Super Paper Mario, Miyamoto would intervene. It happened with Super Mario Galaxy 2, and it happened again with Sticker Star, and I'm guessing it was also the case here...
Miyamoto is mostly irrelevant in Mario development now. He only works on his own little Nintendo funded games. Even with Sticker Star, he only suggested to have less story in it. Intelligent Systems went full Unintelligent Systems and removed all of it. Miyamoto's role is now more of a gameplay consultant than a lead developer like he once was. Also during Miyamoto's regime, games had new gameplay and created formulas instead of being formulaic.

I blame other old developer in Nintendo being too afraid to do drastic changes to existing IPs. For a good reason. Don't fix what's not broken, and Mario certainly isn't. He's still printing money.

And it kinda makes sense to be formulaic the way Nintendo does it. When they change up the formula, they make a new game series out of it. Not in the same series. That's why we have all the different Mario games. Party, racer, RPG, 2D and 3D platformer... Almost got an TPS but it thankfully ended up as a new IP because I like the squid kids more than the Mario bloopers.

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That ending. Mario truly has the deepest lore.
 

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I haven't been impressed with the Mario & Luigi series since back when Game Boys only had one screen, so it's useful to know I probably don't need to spend any of my paycheck on this game either.
 

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BiH-Kira said:
Multiverseman said:
IMO, I blame Miyamoto for most Mario games being formulaic drivel. From the stuff I've read, whenever Nintendo's teams tried to do something creative or the like with the Mario games after Super Paper Mario, Miyamoto would intervene. It happened with Super Mario Galaxy 2, and it happened again with Sticker Star, and I'm guessing it was also the case here...
Miyamoto is mostly irrelevant in Mario development now. He only works on his own little Nintendo funded games. Even with Sticker Star, he only suggested to have less story in it. Intelligent Systems went full Unintelligent Systems and removed all of it. Miyamoto's role is now more of a gameplay consultant than a lead developer like he once was. Also during Miyamoto's regime, games had new gameplay and created formulas instead of being formulaic.

I blame other old developer in Nintendo being too afraid to do drastic changes to existing IPs. For a good reason. Don't fix what's not broken, and Mario certainly isn't. He's still printing money.

And it kinda makes sense to be formulaic the way Nintendo does it. When they change up the formula, they make a new game series out of it. Not in the same series. That's why we have all the different Mario games. Party, racer, RPG, 2D and 3D platformer... Almost got an TPS but it thankfully ended up as a new IP because I like the squid kids more than the Mario bloopers.

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That ending. Mario truly has the deepest lore.
I'm not quite sure how much freedom one has to reject ''suggestions'' from Miyamoto. From what I heard IS was working on a successor of thousand year door and had their work rejected by Miyamoto and then given the suggestions that led to Sticker star becoming Sticker star. That along with a phrase about Miyamoto being ''strict'' on them gives me more the image of a tight leash then mere suggestions.

Either way it were dumb suggestions that show little understanding or even respect for the Paper Mario series. Whether it was Miyamoto or IS who was behind it, they basically said ''Lets make this Paper Mario nothing like Paper Mario''
 

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Peach X Peach... May you 69 them cut away and don't become too soggy when the juices start flowing... (Also, poor [Paper] Luigi...)

Other than that, how's the Mario & Luigi continuity going now that Paper Mario's continuity doesn't matter in this situation?
 

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The comment about doing a lot of paper work had me laughing so hard I had to rewind the video to catch what I missed. And that ending, oh god that ending.

I'm going to have to find a copy of Thousand Year Door; I've been hearing lots of good things about it and I also remember having a lot of fun with paper mario rpg back on the snes when I rented it as a kid.
 

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I'm not at a place where I can watch the video right away, and I don't know where else to ask this, so:

Where was the Extra Punctuation column this week? Shouldn't it have come out yesterday?
 

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Yahtzee, thanks to Rule 34, the denizens of DeviantArt won't let the fact that Mario and Luigi are brothers stop them. I thought that bit about Hilary becoming President came out of left field, and didn't really add much to the review, and I could use some explanation about that Soviet joke about the 3DS, what with I not having one. But the biggest laugh came from that ending. Just when I though nothing shocked him, BAM!
 

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Bedinsis said:
I'm not at a place where I can watch the video right away, and I don't know where else to ask this, so:

Where was the Extra Punctuation column this week? Shouldn't it have come out yesterday?
He's been doing them kind of sporadically for a while now. Maybe it's getting to be too much work with the all the other series/projects he's working on.

OT: I'm not surprised the game is bankrupt for new ideas, I mean, how much can a crossover with more Mario add? He's still Mario, only flatter. Also, I'm still kind of annoyed that Paper Mario is getting shafted here, since it's always been the better series. Second billing and apparently hardly any contribution to the gameplay, bah!
 

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Catasros said:
to be honest, the Thousand Year Door is one of those games I really hope gets re-released seeing as it's a game I never had the chance to play. And considering that most people seem to really love it, I'm surprised Nintendo has yet to put it up on the eshop, the cost of prettying it up a bit'd be payed off by the end of day one of release. But maybe that's just my wishful thinking...
In the meantime, I think a group of people made a texture mod for a higher resolution UI, so you could just run it in Dolphin until a proper re-release comes around.
 

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Jonathan Cowie said:
There is a new 3DS called the New 3DS (most confusing name ever) with a second little analog stick sort of nub in case you care. There was also one that came with Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate which I know you don't care about, even if giant monster fights are far more common than in Tri (as in every mission with a couple of exceptions more common).
Apparently it's because "New" (in English) sounds fancy and exotic in the Japanese market, and NOA didn't think "maybe we should rename it something sensible for the English-speaking market."
I've taken to internally calling it the "3DS Neo," which is still dumb sounding but gets the point across without being rediculously confusing.