Zero Punctuation: Monster Hunter Tri

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TheKwertyeweyoppe

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Kind of, i think MHG is more of an updated version of the original, there's actually like 8 games now
Monster Hunter
Monster Hunter 2
Monster Hunter G
Monster Hunter Freedom
Monster Hunter Freedom 2
Monster Hunter Freedom Unite (I think they could've done better with seqel names)
Monster Hunter Frontier (a Japan only MMORPG)
Monster hunter Tri.
 

TheKwertyeweyoppe

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He didn't even get to Cha-Cha. It would've made it into the review and it's very early on. One of the oddest side-kicks ever. quote]

I,m not sure i agree with the word 'sidekick', cannon fodder more like. i can't think of a single time where he's noticeably acheived anything else, although i haven't got him any new masks yet so i guess i'll see
 

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PayJ567 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Wow, Yahtzee completely missed the point of the game. Me thinks he didn't play long enough to fight some of the bigger monsters.
Just what I was about to say. He basically summed up the HR1 experience.
How long does it take to get to the good part? It isn't one of those "Only 13hours until FFXXXX gets good!" things is it?
 

TheKwertyeweyoppe

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Christ Yahtzee, did you even get past 2* village Quests? [/quote]

I don't think he even got past 1*, he seems to think Moga woods is the only area and if he got to 2* quests he would have discovered the desert place(forgot what it was called).
 

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mike1921 said:
There is no such thing as a subtle loading screen.
Sure there is.
Say, a futuristic game the requires you to go up/down an elevator to get to the next stage. Begin elevator riding animation that takes long enough to act as a load screen, but without 'loading' listed across it and making the ride seem like part of the game. Add in a few vocals (maybe information or something that would fit the theme of the game, )
A loading screen doesn't have to say 'loading' or be static for it to be a loading screen (and yes, it can be done).

mike1921 said:
But see, if there are no next (well, current gen now) games that are worth buying the system for, I don't see why you wouldn't just not bother and use your PS2 instead.
Unfortunately, I am hoping that games will eventually be released that are as good as they are advertised to be (and where the demo isn't the only fun thing about it).
That was my initial hope when I bought the system (PS3), and some games did look good. They just weren't that good when I ended up playing them, and my original hesitation became a 'truth' for me.
 

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Mr Companion said:
Well I am glad I did not take heed of the positive reviews. This review pretty much explains exactly what the footage looked like to me, running around smacking monsters in order to gather up bits of pointless tat.
Ah yes, completely ignore all positive reviews in favor of the guy whose entire job is to trash games. That makes perfect sense.
 

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Matt1234567890 said:
[quote from some unknown member] He didn't even get to Cha-Cha. It would've made it into the review and it's very early on. One of the oddest side-kicks ever. [/quote from some unknown member]

I'm not sure I agree with the word 'sidekick'; cannon fodder more like. I can't think of a single time where he's noticeably achieved anything else, although I haven't got him any new masks yet so I guess I'll see
He's insanely useful. Not only as cannon fodder, but because he'll run around grabbing items for you. I didn't have enough _ from one of the larger monsters that I knocked off, then found later that Cha-Cha grabbed it for me on his mindless pack-ratting rampage. He also casts spells on you to increase your strength, defense, and health, which is very useful. So far I have his second mask, which can tell you where in the map the large monsters are.
 

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feather240 said:
PayJ567 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Wow, Yahtzee completely missed the point of the game. Me thinks he didn't play long enough to fight some of the bigger monsters.
Just what I was about to say. He basically summed up the HR1 experience.
How long does it take to get to the good part? It isn't one of those "Only 13hours until FFXXXX gets good!" things is it?
Apologies if someone already answered you. It takes less than an hour (two hours at most if you take your time enjoying the scenery) to get to the bigger monsters. The first quests are very easy and quick, and are there to help you get a feel of the game and controls. If you are use to previous Monster Hunter games, it takes less than thirty minutes.
 

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Matt1234567890 said:
Kind of, i think MHG is more of an updated version of the original, there's actually like 8 games now
Monster Hunter
Monster Hunter 2
Monster Hunter G
Monster Hunter Freedom
Monster Hunter Freedom 2
Monster Hunter Freedom Unite (I think they could've done better with seqel names)
Monster Hunter Frontier (a Japan only MMORPG)
Monster hunter Tri.
You forgot Monster Hunter Portable G.

and freedom unite was the international name of it the japanese name for it was Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G which has a nicer ring to it.
 

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Aylaine said:
In response to anyone bashing Yahtzee here, something you should keep in mind:

He reviews how he wants. If it's not adequate for you, the viewer, then it can't be his fault.
There is no reasoning in this statement to lead to this conclusion. He is a reviewer, a critic if you will. To be a reviewer, then he has to review it or he has no integrity.

Aylaine said:
He does things his way, you choose to accept or not accept it, and move on. Arguing about it won't accomplish anything in my opinion because this method works for him and most of the people who watch Zero Punctuation.
Once again, there's not much merit to your arguments. Judging by your post count, you must have annoyed thousands of people who can think by now. Many people with forums about their work will peruse it as a guilty pleasure much like googling oneself.

Aylaine said:
He's also not here to do 100% professional reviews.
Right, he's here to do reviews. In this case it's like the kid who hands in a book report which details the front cover, dedication, and table of contents of a book. "Lacks substance" is an understatement for this review. In the past he's been rather reliable, but he managed to screw this one up after he's been crying for a decent game for the Wii for months. Personally I think he's made up his mind about the Wii and simply won't spend time on any game that can use a wii-mote.

Aylaine said:
They do contain validity, but it's at a 40% vs 60% humor ratio in my opinion, averagely so expecting him to play through the entire game in a week when he has other things to do, clearly doesn't like the game or simply lost interest (or perhaps all 3) is asking too much.
This is what he does. This is not some idle hobby. He gets reimbursed for it. As an employee, this particular review should be grounds for reviewing his contract.

Aylaine said:
He knows how to do his job, and if you guys don't really agree with it, I'm sorry. That's the way things go. Arguing about it won't solve anything though, and it will likely cause more problems.

Just thought I would clear that up. :)
Ok, so you think it will cause problems but have no effect. Make up your mind. It's pretty clear from your posts that you're the kind of person who accepts things and moves on. Ok, that's great for you but it's also what's known as an "enabler" personality. Granted, many people will call you well-adjusted but in reality your entire outlook on life is so laisez-faire that you're not interesting.

We're counting on Yahtzee to read over some of these reviews or at least to notice that the number of comments was staggering for a reason. Perhaps he'll take another look at it and post a second review of the game or perhaps he'll take offense at us criticizing his failure. Either way that's what the comments section is for. It's not just a drop box for "we like you" hand jobs.
 

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Aylaine said:
In response to anyone bashing Yahtzee here, something you should keep in mind:
I'm glad I'm not bashing Yahtzee, then. I don't bash people, I bash how people act.

He reviews how he wants. If it's not adequate for you, the viewer, then it can't be his fault.
He didn't play the game. At all. And he's a reviewer. That isn't reviewing the game, and it is his fault. Is it because my tastes aren't the same as his? No! If he had trashed the game, and I was complaining about how Cha Cha isn't that annoying, or the weapons aren't that slow, or he wasn't funny, you'd have a point. But when he doesn't actually play the game and still reviews it, how can you possibly say that is my fault? The very notion of that is insulting; I'm not the one getting paid to play a game for half an hour and then make a five minute "review" of it.

He does things his way, you choose to accept or not accept it, and move on.
I post how I want. If that's not adequate for you, another poster, then it can't be my fault.

In all seriousness, it's not about "acceptance" or "his way." It's about the fact he's not doing his job; I.E. reviewing games. He's not even criticizing it well, if you want to say he's just a critic, because he didn't criticize the game, he criticized what is basically the instruction manual, or the font.

Arguing about it won't accomplish anything in my opinion because this method works for him and most of the people who watch Zero Punctuation.
While not every creator reads the forums, plenty do, and, more importantly, people who watch ZP and could be swayed by him read the forums, so setting the record straight is a good thing just to prevent them from being misinformed.

Again, it's not about his methods, it's about the content. Is he funny? Sure, although the jokes sometimes get old (Yes, Yahtzee, we get it, you always kill/collect/target the enemies genitals/genital fluids!). But if he's not doing his job as a reviewer/critic/whatever you want to call him, he's still not doing his job no matter how funny it is.

He's also not here to do 100% professional reviews. They do contain validity, but it's at a 40% vs 60% humor ratio in my opinion, averagely
60%, giving him perfect marks for humor, is still failing, sweetie. Again, I wouldn't care if he was the funniest thing I've ever watched *and* was praising the game, I'd still be annoyed if he only played through a bit of the game and was acting as if that was the entire game.

so expecting him to play through the entire game in a week
I expect more than an *hour* of play time out of him.

[quotewhen he has other things to do, clearly doesn't like the game or simply lost interest (or perhaps all 3) is asking too much.[/quote]

First off: Nobody asked him to beat it. In fact, most of the posters, myself included, explicitly said the game was too long to beat in a week. We just asked that he would play past thirty minutes in, enough to actually get to the monster hunting, or, failing that, to at least say he got so bored with it he stopped before he eve did.

He knows how to do his job
If his job lets him get away with only doing thirty minutes of research then releasing five minutes of content, pretty much anybody could do it, actually. Maybe not so humorously, I'm sure, but he's as much reviewer as he is humorist, and people clearly take his opinions seriously, so he should take them seriously as well.

and if you guys don't really agree with it, I'm sorry. That's the way things go. Arguing about it won't solve anything though, and it will likely cause more problems.
Then why are you here? You came specifically to bash us for bashing Yahtzee (which we didn't do), saying that our posts don't matter (even though they've at least converted a few people, or came to reasonable agreement, about the fact the game isn't that bad), strawmanning us about how much we expect of Yahtzee, and then saying posting is irrelevant (when you're posting, doing all the things you said we shouldn't do to Yahtzee, to us?) The double standard here is palpable.


Just thought I would clear that up. :)
Well thank you for clearing everything up. Before your post, I wasn't sure if people paid attention to what I said at all, but now I'm clear that at least some people ignore me and only see me as "Mean guy bashing Yahtzee" despite the fact I'm pretty sure I've been very reasonable.

I hope this clears things up for you, but I'm doubtful. :/
 

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Warachia said:
SAMAS said:
Warachia said:
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Wow, 16 pages of complaining that he missed the point and that anyone who takes his word on it is a sheep.
Positive or negative review doesn't enter into it, the game is about Monster Hunting, but at no time does he actually talk about hunting monsters. If he talked about how long it takes to get to your first big monster hunt, then went into about how much he did or didn't like it, there wouldn't have been anything to talk about here. But he doesn't, and as a result we got the most half-assed ZP in recent history.

It's not just about this game. Have you ever watched or read the reactions to movies like The Core or The Day After Tomorrow from people who actually know climatology or geology? Whether the piece was positive or negative, at the very least we expect him to actually do the work if he's gonna make a video about it.

In short: This was a shitty video. It doesn't matter what game it was about. He could've done this about Drake and the 99 Dragons, and if he did as little as he did here it would still be shit. Yahtzee is better than this.
he DID work at it, he told his experience, and what he didn't like, and what he didn't like is that you BARELY HUNT F***ING MONSTERS, unless you count the wildlife as monsters, and he DID go into great detail about the game mechanics, and what the majority of the game is about and explaining how the game works, and tells you if you're going to get it anyway, to play it on a classic controller.
Except he didn't barely fight monsters. He didn't fight any monsters.

So he didn't get to go killing dragons with an Infinity +1 sword from the get-go. Big Surprise there. You fight your first Monster (Great Jaggi) on a Lv. 2 mission. TWO! You get past the starter missions, and you get to fight a forty-foot-long Raptor! I can respect that he and other gamers don't like grinding (I don't like too much of it myself if I'm not having fun doing it), and I didn't expect this game to change his mind about games like this. But trying to review the game without even getting out of the metaphorical kiddie pool is just wrong.
it's a ggod thing he didn't complain about the combat then, but you have to remember, he has less than a week to play, then review his games, which incidently is why his review of demon souls barely covered the game. Usually (according to him) he can beat a game by pulling all nighters, but when a game takes a long time to beat or get anywhere (like monster hunter and most Jrpg's) he can only review what he has finished, unless you want his reviews to be biweekly.
IIRC, he mentions putting 25 hours into Demon Souls in that review.

...Nope, I take it back. It was Dragon Age, though that was also deemed a heavily MMORPGer-style game.
 

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SAMAS said:
IIRC, he mentions putting 25 hours into Demon Souls in that review.
Give me a link to that, because I'm having a hard time believing he put anywhere close to five hours into Demon's Souls, as he mentions getting to the end of 1-2 during his video review, and no further.
 

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Hazy said:
SAMAS said:
IIRC, he mentions putting 25 hours into Demon Souls in that review.
Give me a link to that, because I'm having a hard time believing he put anywhere close to five hours into Demon's Souls, as he mentions getting to the end of 1-2 during his video review, and no further.
Well, as I mentioned above, it was Dragon Age I was thinking about, and it's said in the video itself.
 

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SAMAS said:
Hazy said:
SAMAS said:
IIRC, he mentions putting 25 hours into Demon Souls in that review.
Give me a link to that, because I'm having a hard time believing he put anywhere close to five hours into Demon's Souls, as he mentions getting to the end of 1-2 during his video review, and no further.
Well, as I mentioned above, it was Dragon Age I was thinking about, and it's said in the video itself.
Ah, sorry, I didn't know that you were referring to Dragon Age. My mistake.



This didn't happen.
 

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deckai said:
Shjade said:
Hm...I can't comment on the accuracy of a ZP comic critique of a game I haven't played. That said, watching gameplay videos of combat, I have to ask the folks who've played the game - particularly those who say they enjoy it - does the combat remind you of Phantasy Star Online?
I would say yes, in a way it remindes me of the phantasy star series but the fighting-mechanics are way better, mindless mashing doesn't work here, timing is essential. I'm rather new to the MH series, so i'm no pro and still get hit by enraged Monsters but I get better with each successfull hunt ;)
PSO was my crack before I played this game, and many aspects are the same. Neither really had a lock-on system (PSO did have that little auto-aim thing for spells/guns), but everything I griped about in PSO was better in some way in Monster Hunter. The Dragon boss (Forest PSO) annoyed me with its' landing attack that would spread damage along the floor, and at lower levels, this meant death if it happened to land near you. In Monster Hunter, if a flying creature (like one of the dragon-types) lands near you in monster hunter, you get pushed back from the wind, not hurt (although if they move to attack right afterward it could mean death).

PSO also had really predicable bosses. They all had some pattern of attack, which made killing them seem all too routine. Monsters in this game tend to change it up. You can learn the tells for their attacks, but it doesn't mean you'll be able to dodge each and every time. Finding new weapons from dead creatures always bothered me, and in this one, they drop nothing, you kill and carve them for parts that they should contain. (sure it's random, but still, at least it makes slightly more sense)

Weapons... both games have plenty, and each with its' own combos and weaknesses (times when you're unable to move/dodge) and doing the wrong move at the wrong time can get you hurt/killed. Blocking can only be done by certain weapons and not at random (like PSO), so if you're quick enough, and not in the middle of some other attack/action, you can block MOST attacks (some are just too strong for smaller shields to handle)

I picked up this game because I got into the series thanks to some friends playing the PSP versions. After watching them play for over a month, and lose to one particular dragon day after day after day, I really started getting interested. When I picked it up, I was quite happy with all the various systems and little things the game offers. It takes time to get into, this is true, but after that initial 45 minutes to 3 hours (time varies on how quickly you move from objective to objective), you can really start getting into the thick of it.

Even with my hundreds of hours of experience in previous MH titles, the Hunter Rank 9 Urgent Quest (the last one before I get new missions) took me and one other guy 49 minutes to complete. It was a hard fought battle, and I'm quite happy to say that it took me nearly every second to fell the beast. People complain about the maps, and about the lack of variety, but coming from PSO, in which there were a handful of creatures in each map and 4 main bosses (plus their more powerful "ultimate" forms), Monster Hunter was an amazing change.

My goodness this has turned into quite a wall. Oh well.
 

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Dracolich5 said:
Judging by your post count, you must have annoyed thousands of people who can think by now.
Dracolich5 said:
It's pretty clear from your posts that you're the kind of person who accepts things and moves on. Ok, that's great for you but it's also what's known as an "enabler" personality. Granted, many people will call you well-adjusted but in reality your entire outlook on life is so laisez-faire that you're not interesting.
Judging by your posts, I think you get a kick out of being condescending. Nice subtle way of attacking someone. Making your insults sound clever doesn't make them any less insulting to people.

Reported, anyway. I'm sick of seeing shit like this on the forum.
 

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People brought up a lot of details about the game in this thread, but the basic fact is that it's plain obvious that Yahtzee phoned it in for this review. He demonstrates a very shallow knowledge of the game and even makes up for time by spending the first few minutes talking about irrelevant subjects (MMORPGs, Harvest Moon, adult visual novels, the box art, the Wii, the opening cinematic). He's clearly grasping at straws there.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen anyone put Monster Hunter and Harvest Moon in the same sentence before. The games are so wildly different in every way that a comparison is moot.

As people have said previously, the knowledge he shows in the video indicates that he only played the game for a maximum of around an hour, and a small number of fast quests. He didn't even get to the meat of the game, which is hunting monsters as the title indicates. He hardly knows enough about the game to be able to make a fair judgment of its strengths and weaknesses. It's not a perfect game by all means - you just have to go to the GameFAQs board for MH3 and see what everyone complains about (sluggish weapon usage, manual camera controls, Diablos is freaking fast, flexing when gulping potions) - but he never touches on what the game's real weaknesses are. That's really disappointing.

Unfortunately, lazy reviews like this (even humorous not-really-reviews) spread misinformation. If a reviewer isn't going to actually play the game they're reviewing any substantial amount they may as well not review it at all. I imagine he only put this video up because he's still playing/reviewing another game and this one was a little side project which he'd throw at the wall after a bit.

I really think he missed a good game by starting out with misplaced preconceptions about it. He didn't have to play much further to get to the real stuff, and then he would also understand why they start you off with gather and small hunting quests for the tutorial. I was surprised he dropped it after seeing Lagiacrus. For everyone else, it was an indicator of things to come. I still don't follow his reasoning for dropping the game after seeing that. And perhaps I don't want to, if it would cause me to miss hints about the rest of a game like that. Really quite saddening.
 

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go nana go said:
epsilon246 said:
ForgottenPr0digy said:
Hooray another shitty game for the wii

I don't get it why do Japanese people like this sort of grind fest with no storyline(final fantasy and so many other JRPGs are grind fest with a storyline)
Believe it or not japanese gamers like being told what to do next.
evidence: fusion the most linear of the metroid games did much better in japan than it's predecesors. That's just what they're like.
Fusion was 2D
Those do good in Japan dude,
They INVENTED it!
Other 2d metroid games didn't do as well as fusion, and they were much less linear. Japanese gamers prefer linear gaming western prefer open.
 

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Judging by your posts, I think you get a kick out of being condescending. Nice subtle way of attacking someone. Making your insults sound clever doesn't make them any less insulting to people.

Reported, anyway. I'm sick of seeing shit like this on the forum.
Silly power-tripper, you're not a mod and trying to act like one is pretty silly. Their comments were insulting as well though not as direct. I find your post insulting too. Welcome to the internet. For the record, getting a user banned is useless in a world with proxies and free anonymous registration.

Have fun spinning your wheels, noob.