Zero Punctuation: Mortal Kombat X - Test Your Might

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WhiteNachos said:
Oy why can't I rewind or fast forward anymore?
Seconded, this "new" video player has less functionality than a goddamn VCR.
 

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Yeah I really don't understand why they don't let us play the new characters. They are the cool ones.

Cowboy, Ferra and D'vorah(admittedly you can play her) are really good characters. I don't get why they are so out of focus.
 

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I'd love to live in a world where children can be disciplined by snapping them in half. Then restoring them like it's normal.

I probably wouldn't if I were still a kid, but I'm not.
 

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ehhh kinda boring review this week tbh. MKX has a bad story, but I don't think they really tried to do much with it in the first place. The game's not really about the story.
 

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WhiteNachos said:
Oy why can't I rewind or fast forward anymore?
Err, huh? Mind sending me a message over yonder [/contact/subject/tech]? First I'm hearing of this issue.

Also we have a video player feedback thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.874659-The-Escapists-Video-Player-Feedback-and-Updates] for those who wish to talk about/keep updated on the video player.
 

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WhiteNachos said:
I'd love to live in a world where children can be disciplined by snapping them in half. Then restoring them like it's normal.

I probably wouldn't if I were still a kid, but I'm not.
I deal with a lot of children with apparently quit shitty parents while riding public transportation so I decided to amend your statement.
 

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Why should death in MK's story start to matter now?

What i would like to see in one of these games though is a sort of NG+ mode where you can turn fatalities and brutalities on during story mode. So when you pop someone's torso wide open the oppenent just bounces back up and starts talking out of what's left of his/her exposed spine and the story continues like that until a new chapter begins. Just have the mangled model run around, i think it'd be hilarious.
 

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So if I'm to understand Yahtzee correctly...

He doesn't like AAA games that focus primarily on multi-player (see Evolve and Brink)...but he doesn't want them to have single player story modes either?

Or maybe he's just mad that this story was bad to him, but if that's the case he shouldn't be acting like the story campaign itself existing is the problem.
 

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I don't blame Neversoft offering 2 button press fatalities to the consumer. Supply and demand dictates people don't know what they want until it's offered to them. I wonder about the people who'll use it, however? The people who bought this up to 10 have been on board since the beginning and should know about the "complex" button press combinations.
 

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Like I've said before, if I were to compare MK's story modes to anything they'd be a low-rent version of Blazblue's campaign. Sure, MK's is flashier and prettier, but there's really nothing of substance to it. It's just a bunch of shallow characters in a story we don't care about. So what's the point?
 

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Sound conked out halfway through the video. Now have to rewatch it with no way of fast forwarding. Great new video player, guys...
 

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Strain42 said:
So if I'm to understand Yahtzee correctly...

He doesn't like AAA games that focus primarily on multi-player (see Evolve and Brink)...but he doesn't want them to have single player story modes either?

Or maybe he's just mad that this story was bad to him, but if that's the case he shouldn't be acting like the story campaign itself existing is the problem.
I don't think it's so much he doesn't like AAA games that focus on multiplayer, I think it's that they ship a game that is strictly multi-player and charge the same price as a game that has a "good" (relative) story mode and multiplayer. I think he just argues that you shouldn't shoe horn in a game mechanic or mode that doesn't fit just for the sake of it. Plus I think he just likes to take the piss out of some games
 

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Strain42 said:
So if I'm to understand Yahtzee correctly...

He doesn't like AAA games that focus primarily on multi-player (see Evolve and Brink)...but he doesn't want them to have single player story modes either?

Or maybe he's just mad that this story was bad to him, but if that's the case he shouldn't be acting like the story campaign itself existing is the problem.
I think fighting games are an exception for Yahtzee.

From what I've seen in past episodes Yahtzee generally doesn't like the gameplay of the genre and will gleefully use any excuse (mutliplayer only) to avoid reviewing them.

Edit: Or what the guy above me said that works too.
 

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Strain42 said:
So if I'm to understand Yahtzee correctly...

He doesn't like AAA games that focus primarily on multi-player (see Evolve and Brink)...but he doesn't want them to have single player story modes either?

Or maybe he's just mad that this story was bad to him, but if that's the case he shouldn't be acting like the story campaign itself existing is the problem.
I think he was complaining just for the sake of it. In other words, he was being Yahtzee.
 

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The story might not have been perfect, but personally I was glad that there at least was a single-player campaign. I get a sense of who everybody is, how they relate to one another, and can try to imagine what insane reason they have to fight one another to the death in single kombat.

This game actually got me to go back and play MK9 for the first time. Man, they sure toned down the jiggle physics for MKX. Your call as to whether that's a good change or not. Given how unrealistic and stupid the overall story is, it doesn't bother me that the boobs were also unrealistic in the earlier edition, but if that's your worry then MKX is at least less specifically exploitative of female anatomy than the previous installments.
 

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Well, MKX's story was pretty horribly written, even if I enjoyed playing through it.

The comics are apparently a good bit better in the story department though.

Why in the fuck do they give the young characters so much weight in the story. WHY DO JOHNNY AND CASSIE CAGE HAVE PLOT ARMOR. WHY CAN'T THEY DEVELOP THE INTERESTING CHARACTERS WHO ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING MORE. Or just the actually liked characters.

Small nitpick, Brutalities were first introduced in UMK3 and MK Trilogy, though they were dropped when MK4 dropped and only made a return in this game. Also, kinda hard to really review a fighting game well without being a frequent player of them. Had a few laughs, though.

If anything, MKX did surprise me pleasantly with how much I've liked it compared to MK9 and Injustice and how much I want to keep playing it. Which is nice.
 

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In other words, Mortal Kombat could have been that one fighting game series where each installment's "story" could always introduce new characters while the old characters that haven't died yet in canon could also return before they re-join the dead cast from the previous installments due to a canon-based fatality and/or brutality? Or am I reading too deep between the lines?

Other than that, I guess that would explain [again] why you even play fighting games that are used for your ZP episodes in the first place... Like Johnny Cage's daughter, I feel like I should have seen it coming more than once, but choose not to because I'm lazy like that...
 

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I like that the video progress bar on the new player has the exact same shade of yellow as the ZP background.
But it's been a while since I've posted here so saying that is probably against the new Code of Conduct or something.
 

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Never understood why death was supposed to mean anything in the MK universe when everyone is getting getting killed on a regular basis. Would make more sense to leave the fatalities out of the story mode and just keep them for humiliating your opponent further in a two player match.
Solaire of Astora said:
Also, kinda hard to really review a fighting game well without being a frequent player of them.
I'd partly disagree with this. Yes, a review from someone not into fighting games isn't going to be much use to people who are into them, but it's very useful for the rest of us that aren't. Some games can serve as great introductions to their genre, some are quite definitely for people already into the genre. Mortal Kombat X seems to be the latter, and as I haven't played a fighting game since about MK III, I can conclude that this isn't going to be for me.
 

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There's a bit of an error here Yahtzee.
Raiden can only resurrect people with the help of Quan Chi, who dies... after which nobody else can be resurrected.

I'm not up on my Mortal Kombat lore in any way, that's just what I got from this story mode.
 

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Aiddon said:
Like I've said before, if I were to compare MK's story modes to anything they'd be a low-rent version of Blazblue's campaign. Sure, MK's is flashier and prettier, but there's really nothing of substance to it. It's just a bunch of shallow characters in a story we don't care about. So what's the point?
Because it's goofy, campy fun and has a ridiculous and convoluted lore? MK's story was never meant to be deep, oscar worthy writing. It's your and other people's fault if that was their expectation coming into these games. I for one appreciate the presentation and direction they've taken the characters in the latest MK, but I'd hardly expect any well reasoned commentary out of Yahtzee when it comes to fighting games.
 

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Uncle_Brainhorn said:
Quan Chi is dead. No more resurrections.
Like that ever stopped anyone. Johnny Cage was once resurrected by the Elder Gods "just because". The Dragon King resurrected Kung Lao, Kitana, Johnny, Sonya, and Jax. Armageddon opened a portal to hell that had a lot of dead characters quite literally waltz right out into the normal world... Mileena's ending in MKX quite literally shows her way of escaping death.

... Death in Mortal Kombat is as lasting as death in Dragon Ball Z.

That's not even a problem. It's part of their charm, really.
 

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Maybe it's for the best that resurrection is a thing in Mortal Kombat. It's not like anybody can be arsed writing out a proper story, let's just turn on the fireworks display and have all our favourite characters faff about doing what they do.
 

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I never got that about the Mortal Kombat games, how people could be brutally killed and just suddenly appear in the sequel. And if old fighters are squaring off their children and whatnot... doesn't that get a little awkward when they pull a Brutality on them? Or this a game where you shouldn't think about that too much?
 

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Remember when Superboy Prime punched reality so hard that Jason Todd was unintentionally resurrected from the dead? You think this shit's annoying in video games, try comic books.
 

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MysticSlayer said:
I think he was complaining just for the sake of it. In other words, he was being Yahtzee.
I think he was complaining *because he's a critic.* I think that's what I like most about Yahtzee. Even if he enjoys a title overall, he's going to criticize. I think he fundamentally still understands that glorifying a great game is failing to criticize it.
 

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I love the return of using large animal's genitalia in jokes. My favorite's still "mung from the flaps of a sexually frustrated hippo."
And by the sounds of it, Fatalities in story mode are like the points in "Who's Line Is It Anyway?": they don't matter.
 

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MysticSlayer said:
I think he was complaining just for the sake of it. In other words, he was being Yahtzee.
I think he was complaining *because he's a critic.* I think that's what I like most about Yahtzee. Even if he enjoys a title overall, he's going to criticize. I think he fundamentally still understands that glorifying a great game is failing to criticize it.
He's not a critic. He's an entertainer.

While Yahtzee does have some critical chops, they're more often seen in "Extra Punctuation" than in ZP. In ZP, he has repeatedly felt very comfortable making jokes about a part of the game that, if you've played it in more depth than he has, is visibly untrue, which would torpedo his entire critical perspective if he were a critic. At best, ZP criticizes narrow areas of a given game's design and does so in a manner that prioritizes humor over accuracy.

For example, as was noted upthread, he makes a whole point over the introduction of magical resurrections in MKX's plot. Yes, MK has made a series-long habit out of the life-death revolving door, but within this game, which he is criticizing, as Uncle_Brainhorn says upthread, it is a major story beat that the resurrections that did occur were a happy accident that now cannot be replicated. People say as much point-blank to Scorpion several times over the course of his chapter. Yahtzee has thus based a heavy portion of his "review" of the game's narrative design on something which is provably false.

This is not to say you shouldn't enjoy ZP. I often do. It is not a useful critical analysis of anything it covers, however, and is useful only as humor. If this is what you think is a criticism, your perspective on the subject is desperately flawed.
 

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Trishbot said:
Uncle_Brainhorn said:
Quan Chi is dead. No more resurrections.
Like that ever stopped anyone. Johnny Cage was once resurrected by the Elder Gods "just because". The Dragon King resurrected Kung Lao, Kitana, Johnny, Sonya, and Jax. Armageddon opened a portal to hell that had a lot of dead characters quite literally waltz right out into the normal world... Mileena's ending in MKX quite literally shows her way of escaping death.

... Death in Mortal Kombat is as lasting as death in Dragon Ball Z.

That's not even a problem. It's part of their charm, really.
Doesn't Shang Tsung doesn't even bother with the whole resurrection thing and just materializes out of a dust cloud when he feels like it.
 

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Aiddon said:
Like I've said before, if I were to compare MK's story modes to anything they'd be a low-rent version of Blazblue's campaign. Sure, MK's is flashier and prettier, but there's really nothing of substance to it. It's just a bunch of shallow characters in a story we don't care about. So what's the point?
Characterization/fan service. Even a crap story keeps fighting games from being too dry and mechanical. Without some minimal lore, you might as well be playing with ASCII characters.
 

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I like the Gabriel reference you slipped in there Yahtzee.
 

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Sledgimus said:
Solaire of Astora said:
Also, kinda hard to really review a fighting game well without being a frequent player of them.
I'd partly disagree with this. Yes, a review from someone not into fighting games isn't going to be much use to people who are into them, but it's very useful for the rest of us that aren't. Some games can serve as great introductions to their genre, some are quite definitely for people already into the genre. Mortal Kombat X seems to be the latter, and as I haven't played a fighting game since about MK III, I can conclude that this isn't going to be for me.
For me, it just sometimes results in rather vague or dry descriptions of gameplay in reviews as you could apply it to almost every fighting game, if that makes sense. At worst, it can result in erroneous information being presented. I just feel like there has to be some manner of experience playing fighting games there. Not tons of years of playing them, just a more solid understanding of the genre.

I wouldn't put off trying out MKX later down the line if you're open to getting it during a sale. I don't think it would be that off-putting to a beginner with a few tips. Though the whole line between being a beginner, mildly experienced, and a very good player has always been an issue with fighting games. The time investment it takes for most people to become even decent just isn't worth it for the return, which is usually that you can say you got good at a game and not much else.
 

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Aiddon said:
Like I've said before, if I were to compare MK's story modes to anything they'd be a low-rent version of Blazblue's campaign. Sure, MK's is flashier and prettier, but there's really nothing of substance to it. It's just a bunch of shallow characters in a story we don't care about. So what's the point?
Why is it that whenever there's any sort of discussion regarding "Mortal Kombat", at least one person has to come in to tell everyone about how Blazblue, or Guilty Gear, or Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax, or (insert Japanese Anime style fighting game) is just SOOOOOOOO much better? I really don't get it. I don't think Mortal Kombat fans show up to Guilty Gear forums to tell everyone how much better MK is.

Anyway, off my high horse. I quite enjoy MKs story mode. It's entertaining, it's campy, it's fun, I like the characters and the setting. I could have done without the QTEs this time around, and having tag-team mode would have really helped, but that's small potatoes.
 

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DanHibiki said:
Doesn't Shang Tsung doesn't even bother with the whole resurrection thing and just materializes out of a dust cloud when he feels like it.
....That's literally one of the arcade endings (Shang Tsung popping out and being all "Surprise bitches! I'm back!"), so yeh our good old soul stealing sorcerer is definitely coming back in Mk XI, he was just taking a well earned vacation in this game.

I heavily agree with Yathzee's criticism that story mode has too much focus on some of the most boring of the new cast and even the old cast. That the story itself is full of idiot logic and campiness wouldn't be too much of a problem if story mode served as a good exercise to flesh out all the characters, but it doesn't.

Heck one of the coolest things about Mk X's story is you see former good guys and Mk protagonists Liu Kang and Kitana stay evil and become the rulers of hell, seemingly setting them up to be the bad guys in next MK. As far as character development in an mk game goes, this is pretty much the outright peak and their motivations for being baddies makes sense (after Raidens fuckups in Mk9 it's no wonder they hate his guts).
Amount of story devoted to them? 0. You just beat them up as other characters and all the cool stuff those 2 get up to conquering the entire realm of hell is summed up in an arcade ending. Same deal for some of the non goody aligned new characters like the cowboy or master blaster character, the cowboy has some decent backstory in the comics but in game he is just a goon to be beaten up.
 

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Wait, but doesn't Quan Chi get killed, and pointedly not restored to life by Shinnok, kinda removing the opportunity to either resurrect more revenents or restore them to normal life?
 

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Don't seem to be able to move back and forth in the video.

(good review btw)
 

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Gotta agree with these points.

1. Brutalities are neat.
2. Would have been cool if the story campaign was done with the Outworld characters instead of the Grey Robins spitted out of a FPS.
3. Story is retard in many points. Baby steps still for the story mode in fighting games. Better than the old ones though.
4. Payments are lousy.
 

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Trishbot said:
Uncle_Brainhorn said:
Quan Chi is dead. No more resurrections.
Like that ever stopped anyone. Johnny Cage was once resurrected by the Elder Gods "just because". The Dragon King resurrected Kung Lao, Kitana, Johnny, Sonya, and Jax. Armageddon opened a portal to hell that had a lot of dead characters quite literally waltz right out into the normal world... Mileena's ending in MKX quite literally shows her way of escaping death.

... Death in Mortal Kombat is as lasting as death in Dragon Ball Z.

That's not even a problem. It's part of their charm, really.
Onaga's entire gimmick was resurrecting his army mid battle making them invincible. That's why Kahn just poisoned him instead of attacking him directly. Come to think of it, Kahn has resurrected people too.

It's pretty much just Raiden that can't bring people back to live. Raiden: Being useless since MK6.
 

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I don't blame Neversoft offering 2 button press fatalities to the consumer. Supply and demand dictates people don't know what they want until it's offered to them. I wonder about the people who'll use it, however? The people who bought this up to 10 have been on board since the beginning and should know about the "complex" button press combinations.
I use them when I'm being lazy sometimes. Not that I buy them, you just get them occasionally when you level up your profile, or find them in the Krypt-unlockey mode with coins (which you can buy or get by playing continously). I think the fatalities are hidden (they show "????????" in the move list) til you do them too, either properly or with the easy thing.
 

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Zero Punctuation was the only reason I visit the Escapist now that they no longer have Jim Sterling or Extra Credits.

And now it looks like Zero Punctuation no longer works.

Does Yahtzee have a YouTube channel?
 

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the whole death/resurrection bs was my biggest gripe of this game, MK9 was so clearly hyping for "yes lets introduce a new generation of fighters, invigorate this long running franchise"....and then Netherrealm back-pedals with resurrection BS and only a 3rd of the cast are actually original characters.

Consider the typical fan base of fighting games, I have a feeling who the blame is for that disappointing anticlimax.
 

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JCAll said:
Onaga's entire gimmick was resurrecting his army mid battle making them invincible. That's why Kahn just poisoned him instead of attacking him directly. Come to think of it, Kahn has resurrected people too.

It's pretty much just Raiden that can't bring people back to live. Raiden: Being useless since MK6.

Raiden's done it too!... he just did a very, VERY bad job at it.
 

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OK, seriously Escapist, if you can't provide us with a video player that I can use without disabling my 3rd party extensions, I just won't bloody use it; I'll wait until the video goes up on YouTube and watch it then!

Seriously, why did you even NEED a new video player? The old one wasn't great, but it did the job at least.
 

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anyone else getting zero sound out of this vid? I've checked other sources and it's just this one particular vid. Correction, Sound worked fine it was just conflicting with a equalizer extension. So I was forced to remove it. Yeah this new vid player. I can officially say I hate it.
 

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Olrod said:
Does Yahtzee have a YouTube channel?
He does. ZP isn't on it, but his weekly Let's Play style things with his friend (the guy who likes fighting games, as mentioned in this video) are definitely worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/user/yahtzee19

If you want ZP on YouTube, the official Escapist channel uploads them a week behind schedule: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheEscapistMagazine
 

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I loved the fact that while performing the Selfie fatality on Jacqui, one of the random comments was something like "Cass! Lookin' just like your mom, bae" from Jax. At the same time, that fatality was hardly fatal. I think your odds of surviving getting half of your jaw punched off with a baton are much better than her X-ray, where she makes your balls explode, gives you a bilateral temporal fracture and 2 bullets right down the eye sockets.

In a nutshell, not a fan of Team Junior, but I enjoyed the new outworld chars. And the game is fucking beautiful and fun to play in local multiplayer. Kind of a violent themed smash bros.
 

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Zipa said:
I like the Gabriel reference you slipped in there Yahtzee.
His overly medicated teacher friend who's into fighting games ... yeah not the most subtle cameo ever
 

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iller3 said:
Zipa said:
I like the Gabriel reference you slipped in there Yahtzee.
His overly medicated teacher friend who's into fighting games ... yeah not the most subtle cameo ever
I doubt everyone who watches ZP watches or even knows about Yahtzee's YouTube channel so it would be very subtle to them.