Zero Punctuation: Pokemon White

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mattsipple4000 said:
Soooooo i should buy Pokemon Black??
Black and White are the same, other then some pokemon you can't catch in the other, the Legendary Pokemon you get when you face N and that Black has Black City, while White has White Forest.
 

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Asuka Soryu said:
RedEyesBlackGamer said:
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Onyx Oblivion said:
Besides, "catching them all" is no longer viable...or even the point, really. It's all about competitive play, with the advent of wi-fi in D/P/P.
Pokemon is now the middle school version of COD and Halo?
Do you know what Pokemon REALLY is?

It's secretly the deepest competitive strategy game ever.

IT HAS TIER LISTS

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/intro_comp_pokemon
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah... wait you aren't kidding.


Yu-Gi-Oh! has tier lists too. That doesn't really indicate anything.

Yu-Gi-Oh! is still way better than pokemon actually. I don't know why it gets so much hate while pokemon doesn't.
Also, at least Yu-Gi-Oh! DOESN'T HAVE FUCKING LAND CARDS so I don't really see why MTG gets so much more respect than it either.
Nope. Instead, it has field cards, which are a lot like land cards.
In what way? They have nothing to do with summoning.

"I tap, Sin World! Now come forth, Sin Cyber End Dragon and Sin Rainbow Dragon, I shall destroy the past!"
You had to pull the one series of cards that partially proves me wrong, didn't you? XD
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Magog1 said:
Yahtzee Croshaw said:
Pokemon White

This week, Zero Punctuation dispels some notions on why Pokemon hasn't been reviewed before.

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Yahtzee secretly likes Dynasty warriors (Just kidding).

I honestly thank God by some miracle of man yaht'z dodged dynasty, romance, and all incarnation of the three kingdoms.

But back on topic ^^, who in the blue hell really plays pokamon (That goes here)? I mean a game review for it's fans are suppose to be for something they might honest to God pick up. Jesus man what's next are there any barbie games you care to cover next?

I really hope this "I'm going to review games for the under age crowd, because their as easy to play as they are to pick" on goes out of style and soon.
The site is full of Pokemon fans. What makes Pokemon so bad?
I think everyone is either "UGH! Nintendo games SUCK!" or "Those games are meant for children! You must be a kid to like those games!" or they are just retarded.
One argument that seems to stick, is that the games never change. Well... Most shooters don't change, and still sell millions.
If its not broken, why fix it?
Besides that, Pokemon DOES change; many new pokemon are added, with type matchups that were never seen before. The story is changed a little bit each time, and game mechanics change a little bit. But its still the same "gotta catch 'em all" principle at its core.
Don't like it? Thats fine. Go back to playing Minecraft.
 

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Asuka Soryu said:
mattsipple4000 said:
Soooooo i should buy Pokemon Black??
Black and White are the same, other then some pokemon you can't catch in the other, the Legendary Pokemon you get when you face N and that Black has Black City, while White has White Forest.
Get Black if you like rotation battles, Fire/Dragon end-game legendary, and a city where you battle trainers for $$$. Also for the 3-4 pokemon you can't get in White.
Get White if you like triple battles, Electric/Dragon end-game legendary, and a forest where you can catch pokemon you can't find anywhere else and fight trainers every day. Also for the 3-4 pokemon you can't get in Black.

They are very simliar, but not enough to be "ZOMG I NEED BOTH GAMES!!!!!"
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Asuka Soryu said:
RedEyesBlackGamer said:
samaugsch said:
wc alligator said:
Onyx Oblivion said:
Falseprophet said:
Onyx Oblivion said:
Besides, "catching them all" is no longer viable...or even the point, really. It's all about competitive play, with the advent of wi-fi in D/P/P.
Pokemon is now the middle school version of COD and Halo?
Do you know what Pokemon REALLY is?

It's secretly the deepest competitive strategy game ever.

IT HAS TIER LISTS

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/intro_comp_pokemon
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah... wait you aren't kidding.


Yu-Gi-Oh! has tier lists too. That doesn't really indicate anything.

Yu-Gi-Oh! is still way better than pokemon actually. I don't know why it gets so much hate while pokemon doesn't.
Also, at least Yu-Gi-Oh! DOESN'T HAVE FUCKING LAND CARDS so I don't really see why MTG gets so much more respect than it either.
Nope. Instead, it has field cards, which are a lot like land cards.
In what way? They have nothing to do with summoning.

"I tap, Sin World! Now come forth, Sin Cyber End Dragon and Sin Rainbow Dragon, I shall destroy the past!"
You had to pull the one series of cards that partially proves me wrong, didn't you? XD

Muwahaa~ Yes, yes I did. lol
 

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Torrasque said:
Asuka Soryu said:
mattsipple4000 said:
Soooooo i should buy Pokemon Black??
Black and White are the same, other then some pokemon you can't catch in the other, the Legendary Pokemon you get when you face N and that Black has Black City, while White has White Forest.
Get Black if you like rotation battles, Fire/Dragon end-game legendary, and a city where you battle trainers for $$$. Also for the 3-4 pokemon you can't get in White.
Get White if you like triple battles, Electric/Dragon end-game legendary, and a forest where you can catch pokemon you can't find anywhere else and fight trainers every day. Also for the 3-4 pokemon you can't get in Black.

They are very simliar, but not enough to be "ZOMG I NEED BOTH GAMES!!!!!"
LOL thanks for the nice info guys! I guess I need both or none then :p !LOL
 

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Since I'm too lazy to read all comments, here's my thoughts that may already be said.

Yhatzee has a point in that pokemon is shallow in gameplay, with the only exeption being in multi-play (which half of us being introverts, we'd be unlikely to use.)

From hindsight of my Pokemon play, I can say the appeal is not as a game; but as a sort of pet collection sim. or in shorter, It's all about the pokemon themselves.

In white I collected my 6 favorite pokemon of past and pressent and stopped. I had realised my personality in the world of the game through what I chose (Zekrom, Victini, Umbreon, Zoroark, Lucario) and then there was nothing left to do.

I keep finding I'm buying pokemon for the pokemon only, and I keep coming back to the same conclusions: Pokemon needs to go beyond stratagy, to "evolve" into a new form of gameplay. My hope is a "Hack and Slash" RPG that removes the trainer entirely for a more personal imersion into the pokemon you love (although I'd like to keep the catch 'em all part and use any of the pokemon I choose). However, it's most likely that if they were to do that it would most likely have to be established as an MMO; possibly due to chip space. The problem with that being that there are no "Hack and Slash" MMORPGs; something to do with the PC element maybe.

Of course, it's not likely they'd change the formula at all. Unless of course a competitor does it themselves in a thinly veiled impersonation of pokemon as a H&S RPG... however despite my best search for such a game, I've found none. So it's going on my "list of nonexistant games I'd buy"... which I'll have to make a video of sometime.

...Man that was long.
 

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:/ This review kind of annoyed me and I honestly don't know why. I honestly don't care when games I like get ripped in to (I say, while looking up gold earning tips for Fable 2) but I honestly think that Yahtzee was just looking for excuses to dislike the game. Especially the part about the electric gym -- was he /seriously/ complaining about a *boss* battle not being super easy?

Also, what the fuck, one play style? There's about a million strategies you can use. You can hardly complain about strategy if all you're doing is /power levelling/. Also, we know you don't like turn-based combat. __This does not mean that there is something inherently wrong with the genre so please stop implying it.__

And seriously, how can you honestly say that the series hasn't budged an inch since POKEMON __FUCKING__ YELLOW? Are you shitting me?

Glad we both agree that N is a complete twat though. __Stop telling me you can talk to my Pokemon, you fucking freak__.


oh god this turned out being complete tl;dr sorry
 

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Dear Yatzee,

I stopped watching your reviews because you sound like my mum when I was 12 and she stood over my shoulder telling me that collecting badly drawn animals was a dumb idea for a game.

In closing, you don't get it at all. And you never will. Get back to watching Keeping up appearances.

Lots of non-parental-resentment-projection love,
Jader.
 

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MonocleClaire said:
:/ This review kind of annoyed me and I honestly don't know why. I honestly don't care when games I like get ripped in to (I say, while looking up gold earning tips for Fable 2) but I honestly think that Yahtzee was just looking for excuses to dislike the game. Especially the part about the electric gym -- was he /seriously/ complaining about a *boss* battle not being super easy?

Also, what the fuck, one play style? There's about a million strategies you can use. You can hardly complain about strategy if all you're doing is /power levelling/. Also, we know you don't like turn-based combat. __This does not mean that there is something inherently wrong with the genre so please stop implying it.__

And seriously, how can you honestly say that the series hasn't budged an inch since POKEMON __FUCKING__ YELLOW? Are you shitting me?

Glad we both agree that N is a complete twat though. __Stop telling me you can talk to my Pokemon, you fucking freak__.


oh god this turned out being complete tl;dr sorry
One note I'd like here: Yes, there are many stratagies, however; only one is needed in campaign, and one for capture play. Those are embeded in meta lore as "all you need". and if you're not a multiplayer fan, that legacy holds up with the Level&super-effective; as the highest NPC has lv 75 and you can go to 100. However the many stratageis ARE needed in multiplayer, so I can't say either of you are "wrong".

Of course, for me I stand by my "evolve beyond stratagy", if only because I enjoy involuntary campaign challenges and am not one for multiplayer... (and that I like hack and slash)... so while I say it's probably good for gameplay if you like multiplayer stratagy, (or whatever it is I haven't thought of yet) I'm going to say that my personal preference in gameplay alone sides with yhatzee.

I still like the pokemon though, They're cute.
 

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ZexionSephiroth said:
MonocleClaire said:
:/ This review kind of annoyed me and I honestly don't know why. I honestly don't care when games I like get ripped in to (I say, while looking up gold earning tips for Fable 2) but I honestly think that Yahtzee was just looking for excuses to dislike the game. Especially the part about the electric gym -- was he /seriously/ complaining about a *boss* battle not being super easy?

Also, what the fuck, one play style? There's about a million strategies you can use. You can hardly complain about strategy if all you're doing is /power levelling/. Also, we know you don't like turn-based combat. __This does not mean that there is something inherently wrong with the genre so please stop implying it.__

And seriously, how can you honestly say that the series hasn't budged an inch since POKEMON __FUCKING__ YELLOW? Are you shitting me?

Glad we both agree that N is a complete twat though. __Stop telling me you can talk to my Pokemon, you fucking freak__.


oh god this turned out being complete tl;dr sorry
One note I'd like here: Yes, there are many stratagies, however; only one is needed in campaign, and one for capture play. Those are embeded in meta lore as "all you need". and if you're not a multiplayer fan, that legacy holds up with the Level&super-effective; as the highest NPC has lv 75 and you can go to 100. However the many stratageis ARE needed in multiplayer, so I can't say either of you are "wrong".

Of course, for me I stand by my "evolve beyond stratagy", if only because I enjoy involuntary campaign challenges and am not one for multiplayer... (and that I like hack and slash)... so while I say it's probably good for gameplay if you like multiplayer stratagy, (or whatever it is I haven't thought of yet) I'm going to say that my personal preference in gameplay alone sides with yhatzee.

I still like the pokemon though, They're cute.

There's already been a hack and slash Pokemon game (lots in fact) and it's not very popular.
 

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MonocleClaire said:
There's already been a hack and slash Pokemon game (lots in fact) and it's not very popular.
Really?! Three questions, One; are they cannon? Two; where can I find them? Three; you don't mean pokepark do you? I thought that one was a mini-game game like mario party...

In any case thank you for telling me.
 

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Amplify said:
Lucie said:
Jdb said:
I want to know why some people think Pokemon is a super-complex game. Raising Pokemon is complex, but when it comes to battles between similarly-raised Pokemon it's just crossing fingers and hoping the other guy doesn't send out scissors when paper is in play.
Or hope he doesn't send in a level 1 Rattata.
Tip: turn your volume down
I see your video of somebody being beaten by 6 F.E.A.R Rattatas and raise you a team of level 1s that doesn't break species clause beating level 100s.

That Snover...it must be killed...before it kills us all <.<

But seriously, that's the best video i have ever seen xD
 

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arc1991 said:
Amplify said:
Lucie said:
Jdb said:
I want to know why some people think Pokemon is a super-complex game. Raising Pokemon is complex, but when it comes to battles between similarly-raised Pokemon it's just crossing fingers and hoping the other guy doesn't send out scissors when paper is in play.
Or hope he doesn't send in a level 1 Rattata.
Tip: turn your volume down
I see your video of somebody being beaten by 6 F.E.A.R Rattatas and raise you a team of level 1s that doesn't break species clause beating level 100s.

That Snover...it must be killed...before it kills us all <.<

But seriously, that's the best video i have ever seen xD
Related, toughest trainer in the game being beaten with level 1s.

 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
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You got your game strategy thrown off by EMOLGA enough to complain about it? Pokemon wasn't EASY enough for you that a Gym Leader you COULDN'T sweep with one move is a negative point against it?

The bane of Yahtzee's existence.
Yeah but she had TWO of the little bastards! And they switched out every time they used whateverthefuck move it is she has.
Still the Rock Tomb TM was in the area before the gym, and most Ground types can learn it. And should have learned it, expecting Flying types or not.
Dude, you need to chill out, not everyone plays the game competitively.
 

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Desert Tiger said:
They kinda changed it in this one. The EXP you receive is now based on your own level comparative with your opponent's. You could fight something level 50 and get 6000 exp with a level 40, or get 1200 with a level 60. Of course, it doesn't help that they give you an experience boosting item that was pretty much the rarest item in the game in the previous gens like halfway through the game...
Oh really? I was wondering how I was exp sharing a second pokemon and still keeping my first so much stronger than the rest. Are you referring to the exp share? Or is there some mystical item that I have never heard of in 12 years of pokemon?
 

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Liudeius said:
Desert Tiger said:
They kinda changed it in this one. The EXP you receive is now based on your own level comparative with your opponent's. You could fight something level 50 and get 6000 exp with a level 40, or get 1200 with a level 60. Of course, it doesn't help that they give you an experience boosting item that was pretty much the rarest item in the game in the previous gens like halfway through the game...
Oh really? I was wondering how I was exp sharing a second pokemon and still keeping my first so much stronger than the rest. Are you referring to the exp share? Or is there some mystical item that I have never heard of in 12 years of pokemon?
No, he's talking about Lucky Egg, which boosts your exp gain by 1.5x.
 

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Nice review. I still like Pokemon (despite being old enough to know better), and would like to get one of the new games. (Not sure which one, though, maybe I'll wait until Pokemon Gray inevtably comes out).

Well, maybe I shold get back to playing Pokemon Platinum, I've been meaning to play it but I keep getting distacted...
 

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*Raise hand* I haven't played pokemon and I'm indifferent about it.. and no one burned me so far... Wait , there's an angry mob at the do- OH GOD HELP ME THEY'RE POURING GASOLINE ON MY HOUSE
 

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I gotta ask, do the random Trainers you encounter still say the most retarded lines before challenging you?