In fairness to Sylvia Plath, her father died when she was 8 or 9. And yet I haven't heard as many jokes about, say, Batman having daddy issues.Fox12 said:
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Really? I hear jokes about Batman all the time. I figured it was pretty much a meme at this point. Different experiences, I guess.Daniel Greenberg said:
You can look at something like Neon Genesis Evangelion, though, and see the same thing. Every character in that series has parental issues. Misato fits the bill perfectly. She hated her dad, but then grew up to be him, and dates a man just like him. Shinji has those issues too. But who gets the attention for it? Shinji. Yet I feel like both characters are realistic in their portrayals. I don't think the "daddy issues" trope is bad in itself. I think it can just be badly handled. You definitely don't want female characters who are entirely dependent of men all the time. Ray, for instance, is fine. Samus, from Other M, was not.
Good point, but I'm fairly sure I remember Rey stating that her family left her there and she's waiting for them to come back, whether that's actually what happened hasn't been revealed but it's the conclusion she's come to. No matter how well adjusted a person you are that's gonna leave a mark, even with a perfectly legitimate reason for them abandoning her/failing to contact her, the mystery itself is gonna cause issues.Daniel Greenberg said:
Biggs mentioned that Luke is one the best pilots out there just prior to them flying off for the battle, and, during the briefing, Luke joked about shooting weasels for sport that were the same size as the hole.Daniel Greenberg said:
Actually, now that I think about it, Obi-Wan's advice to Luke is somewhere along the lines of a "Believe in yourself" moment since the force is summarized as an extension of will (Queue Green Lantern reference), and Luke was only doing what came naturally.
Though, to bring the topic back to Rey, I cannot see the "extension of will" part relating to her when she mind controls the guard or fights Kylo (Unless I forgot a scene demonstrating that she's a natural at manipulation, and/or close-quarters combat).
Biggs spent 99% of his life living on a backwater desert planet. He's not really an authority on who is a good pilot and isn't. Particularly since Luke's flying on his homeworld would've consisted mainly of shooting wamp rats and flying through Beggar's Canyon. Something that doesn't really compare to being in a dogfight with something that moves as fast as a TIE fighter does. Particularly, particularly considering he was talking about the best pilots out there without bringing up Wedge freaking Antilles. So I'm sorry, Luke really should've been one of the first people to be vapped during the Death Star attack if we're looking at this from a realistic standpoint.Transdude1996 said:
Kylo Ren. Is. Pathetic. Defeating him is not an impressive achievement. He's the only only major character in all of the movies who was both a force user and had a lightsaber, and managed to get hit by a blaster. He then proceeded to fight Finn, someone who was wielding a lightsaber for the second time in his life, and who had earlier gotten his ass beaten in a melee fight by a rank and file storm trooper. For the record, lightsabers are incredibly hard for non-force users to wield, as they can easily kill themselves with it. Despite this, Finn managed to hold his own for awhile, and deliver a direct hit to Kylo Ren, whose attacks became much slower and more telegraphed after that. All Rey did was beat a guy who put up a worse showing than a storm trooper.
I don't recall a scene where Luke was natural at forcing proton torpedoes down exhaust ports. It's Star Wars man, they play fast and loose with their own rules all the time.
Riiight. I was wondering when the gender war subtext would emerge.Daniel Greenberg said:
Saying someone has unresolved psychological issues over one or both of their parents ("daddy/mummy issues") isn't condescending towards women because...well, women aren't the only ones with fathers. Anyone can suffer from internal turmoil caused by the absence of one or both parents.
Saying "the idea of a woman having daddy issues is condescending towards women" isn't politically correct. It's just...dumb. And it ignores all the men in fiction who have daddy issues. Superman. Hamlet. Shinji Ikari. Zeus. Jesus (as in, from the Bible.) Horus (as in, from Warhammer 40,000.) Horus (as in, from Egyptian mythology.) I'd say Oedipus, but he was kind of a two-for-one combo deal.
Okay, the first part I'll admit is true. But, and this might have been due to a lack of clarification on my part, it's less about the idea and more about context. It's like when people are labeled "retarded." Sure, some people genuinely have learning disabilities, but using "retarded" as shorthand for someone who just does something stupid is itself kind of stupid. Similarly, yes, there are people who genuinely have unresolved psychological issues over one or both of their parents. But, for example, remember when Yahtzee compared the "Doom" reboot to an attractive woman hooking up with him at a bar, and said that "After playing through 'Deum,' I think I've come to realize that people who come onto me might not necessarily be gold-digging harlots - some of them are just trying to get back at their dad"? I get that he was joking, but if a guy really thinks that about a woman, isn't he overlooking the possibility that, just maybe, she's actually into guys like that? That's what I meant by saying the idea of a woman having daddy issues is condescending towards women.bastardofmelbourne said:
Maybe she blames him for giving her the first name Rey with the last name Mixer?Daniel Greenberg said:
