Zero Punctuation: Spec Ops: The Line

felixader

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Um, i have several movies and books etc. that i would file under: "One of the best ________ that i never want to read/play/view again."

These are kind of important to me, enriching my view of the media and the world in some way. Even if i don't want to experience them again i don't want to miss those.
 

Fenix7

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I always watch ZP every week, and I like it, but I dont feel the need to comment on it.

This week's episode was so well done, so funny, and so true that I have to show my appreciation. Well done Mr. Croshaw, well done.
 

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Honestly the only way you can do a shooting game than condemns war yet glorifies it, but doesn't feel disingenuous (you kinda have to glorify war if your making a "game" about war) is to do so satirically...like CannonFodder.

in my opinion games are trying too hard to be like movies..
 

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Got this game purely by Yahtzee's recommendation. I feel like I got kicked in the balls. In a good way. I have no idea how that's possible but it is. Jesus what a depressing experience. Glorious.
 

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The game was a passable shooter, story was poorly done. trying to get people to experience things they have no clue about other than a visual cue never works other than the movie theater rollercoaster ride ride in 3d. The point i am making is the devs try to make a run at getting people involved in the character and no one knows how these types of soldiers react to a given situation, the vast majority anyway, very few of us do and we cry BS, the devs flail at trying to create a story of a soldier spinning into insanity.

At the very least the plot should have been more than toilet paper, meaning when we hear, "i met him once at such and such a place" has now boiled down to walker trying to save an officer he doesnt know and the story no doubt hoping we forget that one line, i never did. It is the equivelant of me getting an order of fries from a Mickey D's drive through and finding out months later the server was killed in an auto accident and me going on a brainless vendetta mission to avenge the person that handed me those french fries, that is all this story boils down to.

As a shooter it was fine, and the game was fun, with the exception of Zero choice except those the devs used to push this linear shooter along with its on the rails story. Do not try to state this game gave you a choice, it did not. People need to understand the difference between a dev giving you a choice and you making a choice to change something or a situation, totally different things.

Like i typed earlier, you can sit in a theater watching a 3d movie of a roller coaster, the seats moving slightly to give you that fake experience, or you can go out and experience the things that let you identify with the character, both are totally different experiences and both will leave you with totally differing views. The devs failed at this type of story because they do NOT know how or what is needed to make this unlikely chain of event happen. if they tried to to copy Apocolypse now in a modern setting, the devs failed horribly.
 

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Graill said:
As a shooter it was fine, and the game was fun, with the exception of Zero choice except those the devs used to push this linear shooter along with its on the rails story. Do not try to state this game gave you a choice, it did not. People need to understand the difference between a dev giving you a choice and you making a choice to change something or a situation, totally different things.
I respectfully disagree. I believe the game does give you a choice. You may not like the quality of the choices to your own taste but when you have to make a decision on something, that's a choice.

Maybe it's because I didn't go into this game with unrealistic expectations that I got to enjoy the actual game/story. But not everyone likes the same thing.
 

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carnege4 said:
So it's a First person Heavy Rain with the part you kill the drug dealer over and over again?
I suppose its the only thing that is noteworthy of the game really, from what I read at least.
 

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kouriichi said:
Yahtzee? Recommend a modern cover-based shooter!?! Isnt this somewhere on the Mayan Calendar?

I kid, im glad this was as Grimdark as i heard its going to be. Its a nice change of pace really.
Obviously you haven't played Modern Warfare to know what is Grimdark.
 

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I also played this game after this review. I went through the first half or so thinking 'Okay, where's all the bad stuff at'?

Then... came the part with the white phosphorous.

I felt like absolute shit afterwards. :(
 

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SmilingWorlock said:
Still Life said:
And the steam gods are vice incarnate.
Well, there IS a demo. I played it yesterday after watching ZP, but I really didn't like it. I came from playing halflife bevor, and the movement felt really obstructed. Why can I jump over that chest high wall, but not over that knee high sand bags?
You're not supposed to notice.

That sort of BS was one of my reasons for not liking Bulletstorm; unnecessary invisible walls really breaks the immersion. There was a section where you're fighting through an open air cafe. There are several levels of flooring, but the difference in height is not worth mentioning, about 18" or so. But even though there is no railing, you can't walk off the edge. You have to mosey over (during the bullet-kerplunk) to the stairs, so that you can descend in the mandated three 6" increments. I wanted to quickly drop down because I saw a object that I wanted to take cover behind, but sure enough I failed to move in the direction anticipated. The freaking guy was walking down the side of a building earlier in the game, how bad can 18" be? I can deal with it not being an open world game, but don't rub my nose on the glass to prove it.
 

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I wasn't gonna think about this game twice, but if it has a story that Yahtzee considers darker than black, who am I to question?
 

kouriichi

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gyrobot said:
kouriichi said:
Yahtzee? Recommend a modern cover-based shooter!?! Isnt this somewhere on the Mayan Calendar?

I kid, im glad this was as Grimdark as i heard its going to be. Its a nice change of pace really.
Obviously you haven't played Modern Warfare to know what is Grimdark.
CoD? Grimdark? HAHA! Good one :3 Your talking to a 40k fan. It makes MW look like sniffing flowers with your healthy grandmother.

Shooting a bunch of innocent people in an airport? Amoral sure..... but sacrificing millions/billions of psychics who have never done a single bad thing in their life? Now thats Grimdark!

Unless your being sarcastic :0 if so, good man! I like sarcasm, though it doesnt translate well over the internet without italics. Always a fun word to say.
 

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I was waiting forthe part where he says, "Just kidding, it is like every other shooter out there." but it never happened.
 

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kouriichi said:
gyrobot said:
kouriichi said:
Yahtzee? Recommend a modern cover-based shooter!?! Isnt this somewhere on the Mayan Calendar?

I kid, im glad this was as Grimdark as i heard its going to be. Its a nice change of pace really.
Obviously you haven't played Modern Warfare to know what is Grimdark.
CoD? Grimdark? HAHA! Good one :3 Your talking to a 40k fan. It makes MW look like sniffing flowers with your healthy grandmother.

Shooting a bunch of innocent people in an airport? Amoral sure..... but sacrificing millions/billions of psychics who have never done a single bad thing in their life? Now thats Grimdark!

Unless your being sarcastic :0 if so, good man! I like sarcasm, though it doesnt translate well over the internet without italics. Always a fun word to say.
It's 40k grimdark?

Yahtzee got all melancholic over it but comparing it to Warhammer? Is it that good?
 

kouriichi

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Ed130 said:
kouriichi said:
gyrobot said:
kouriichi said:
Yahtzee? Recommend a modern cover-based shooter!?! Isnt this somewhere on the Mayan Calendar?

I kid, im glad this was as Grimdark as i heard its going to be. Its a nice change of pace really.
Obviously you haven't played Modern Warfare to know what is Grimdark.
CoD? Grimdark? HAHA! Good one :3 Your talking to a 40k fan. It makes MW look like sniffing flowers with your healthy grandmother.

Shooting a bunch of innocent people in an airport? Amoral sure..... but sacrificing millions/billions of psychics who have never done a single bad thing in their life? Now thats Grimdark!

Unless your being sarcastic :0 if so, good man! I like sarcasm, though it doesnt translate well over the internet without italics. Always a fun word to say.
It's 40k grimdark?

Yahtzee got all melancholic over it but comparing it to Warhammer? Is it that good?
I wouldnt say its equal to 40k (nothing is in all honesty. Trying to read lore about it is like reading everything bad to happen in history ever, except 40k times worse), but i would say its a lot darker then most games to come out these days. Like, what CoD did where you kill innocents, see a child get blown up, great, thats shocking and all, but its not really grimdark in anyway. Its cruel and sick, but its not emotional in anyway. You dont say "Oh god", or "Why?", you just kind of let it happen (or join in the fun).

Where as with Spec Ops, as he pointed out, you do things you dont really want to. Theres an actual emotional feeling behind it. Its a sick feeling that i would describe as, "Your trying to do good, but every choice you make puts you deeper in the sh*t". There are no "good choices" in this game, just choices. No matter what, something terrible will happen to someone, and unlike other military shooters where your trying to stop it, your often the cause of it.
 

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This review made me uncomfortable. First off, I think it just provides more evidence that Yahtzee's antics are likely not an act, at least not entirely. Instances like how he behaved in this review provide a lot of evidence that he really and truly has an outlook towards life and people in general that's made up of contempt, ill will and a complete lack of empathy.

Next was his attitude towards Americans. So he gets pissy when ethnic "minorities" (really can you call them minorities when talking on a global scale?) are the bad guys, or if British are the bad guys, but as soon as you're gunning down Americans, he comes across as saying he couldn't care less how one-sided the bad guys are, nationality-wise, so long as its those goddamn American sods. He really was signing onto the new stereotype with this one: the stereotype that all Americans (particularly ones in the military) are ignorant, trigger-happy jack asses with a collective compensation issue with their guns and who all like to abuse minorities and get an erection when they see the American flag. I really hate this new attitude and I have to wonder if Yahtzee's realizes just how much he's pissing all over one of his biggest audiences (if not THE biggest).

The most depressing thing to me is that in spite of this, I don't think his reputation in the U.S. is going to be marred in the slightest for what he's said here.

I don't deny that war is ugly, that sometimes military personnel commit war crimes or that there are many cases where the ends don't justify the means. However, I think it behooves people to remember that such personnel and such actions are the exceptions, not the rules, and that saying that all Americans and/or all the military (both American and from a number of other countries) are like that is just stupid and bigoted.
 

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*just got back from watching scene*

Haha. White Phosphorus motar rounds?! Is that really what everyone is so overwhelmed about. Are we really so touchy we cant take seeing some enemy soldiers get burned? Hell, I am more offended by the fact you are shooting Americans. Maybe its just me and all that military research I do on Wo.....

Random Soldier: "We were helping....*dies*"
Me: What did he just try to say?

They walk around corner and see the burned civies.
Me: Shit. Thats what everyone was talking about.

That really didnt hit me to hard though. Again, maybe it has to do with my military studies, but other than "that one thing", its not that bad. And I agree with the PC, its that other units fault for having "Unnamed Item X" mixed in with military units, even if it was a retreat of sorts.