Zero Punctuation: Splatoon - Ink Pun

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Wow... This really paints a picture on what Yahtzee thinks of Splatoon... But, I don't think it answered the toughest question of all...

Was he a squid now? Or was he a kid now?
 

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"paint roller"
"INK"

There are such things as ink rollers. Used them all the time in a print studio I worked in.
 

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So wait, Yahtzee actually liked the online multiplayer component over the singleplayer campaign? Pardon me for a second, I must check to see if the sky is falling and the seas are running red with blood....
 

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I've been excited for Splatoon (I don't own it because I don't own a Wii U yet) and it seems like most people who give me opinions on the internet have all be praising it wildly. But the thing is...they were all people who I expected them to say that stuff before they even played it.

Yahtzee genuinely liking this game came as a huge surprise to me, a nice surprise, like getting a onion ring mixed in with your french fries.
 

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I imagine Splatoon is much like the Battlefield series in that fans are utterly bewildered that it has a token strapped-on singleplayer mode. How the tables have turned in recent years, singleplayer finally getting a focus n' all.
 

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Sounds like classic Nintendo. Get the core gameplay right and then fuck up the online.
 

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T-Shirt Turtle said:
So wait, Yahtzee actually liked the online multiplayer component over the singleplayer campaign? Pardon me for a second, I must check to see if the sky is falling and the seas are running red with blood....
One thing you'll see for sure is Haleys Comet, heralding this Apocalyptic event! :D
The others... optional ;-)
 

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Reminds me a lot of Graffiti mode from 'Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4'. A mode so fun I can't believe it's taken this long to see it used again. Shame my internet can't cope.
 

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the way the map system is right now is so you can have a chance to learn the maps and with a new map comming every week(according to nintendo), it wont take long until you have mastered all maps
 

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T-Shirt Turtle said:
So wait, Yahtzee actually liked the online multiplayer component over the singleplayer campaign? Pardon me for a second, I must check to see if the sky is falling and the seas are running red with blood....
Also the fact that it's made by Nintendo and on the Wii U...

WE ARE DOOMED!
 

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I'm Disapointed in you Yahtzee - this is what I inkpected, and all I got was puns:

Las7 said:
I expect this has far too much material for Zero Punctuation video not to be made.

Just the intro would be

"here is a game that asks the hard questions.
I'm a kid or are you fucking kidding me with your marketing Nintendo
Go sit in the corner and explain yourself yourself
A game about small boys and girls,
who turn into squids to spill bodily fluids across a map."

Cannot wait
 

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T-Shirt Turtle said:
So wait, Yahtzee actually liked the online multiplayer component over the singleplayer campaign? Pardon me for a second, I must check to see if the sky is falling and the seas are running red with blood....
Plus, it was a fairly positive video on a Nintendo game.
http://peterandsharda.com/wp-includes/Text/dogs-and-cats-living-together-murray-i3.gif
Maybe the streets will fill with man eating jam or something equally strange.

EDIT: Damn, beat by two posts
 

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See Yahtzee, it's not that hard to make a fair review about a Nintendo game. And by fair I don't exactly mean, "he likes it".

Thanatos2k said:
Sounds like classic Nintendo. Get the core gameplay right and then fuck up the online.
Except they didn't. Unless you're talking about the whole "rotate the maps" thing. I consider that more akin to Animal Crossing where you have to wait a few days for certain stores to be available. It's part of an incentive to keep you playing the game. Whether it works for a shooter or not is debatable, sure, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that they fucked up the online with it.
 

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/chat/WiiU-Online-Multiplayer?added=1

We totally have an Escapist Group that's been rather inkcited over Splatoon recently, if anyone who enjoyed knowing that even Yahtzee liked the multiplayer wants to hear more about it.

I actually more or less agree with Yahtzee's critisims, too. The single player is -way- too token, incorporating a lot of platforming that doesn't get used in the multiplayer. It's also way too short.

His comment about the people standing in the middle of the lobby implies that he has no idea what those people are for. You can order the outfits that they're wearing and then use them, which is good since each set of clothing has different passive skills that help make you better in the multiplayer. To be fair, it's rather expensive in terms of in game currency.

And yes, we already have one new map in addition to the ones currently used, as well as a new combat mode based on a King of the Hill kind of thing, and I expect more updated material as time passes, so may he revisit Splatoon in a few months at least and find the experience even better than it currently is.
 

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Wait wait wait!

Before I watch the video, I want to try out my "Yahtzee reviews a Wii U game" drinking game:

--Take a shot when he makes fun of Nintendo fans in general
--Take a shot when he says Nintendo rehashes their franchises
--Take a shot when he remarks about the Wii U's hardware being underpowered
--Take a shot when he complains about the Wii U gamepad
---Two shots if the game is 100% compatible with the Wii U Pro controller

Wish me luck!
 

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marioandsonic said:
Wait wait wait!

Before I watch the video, I want to try out my "Yahtzee reviews a Wii U game" drinking game:

--Take a shot when he makes fun of Nintendo fans in general
--Take a shot when he says Nintendo rehashes their franchises
--Take a shot when he remarks about the Wii U's hardware being underpowered
--Take a shot when he complains about the Wii U gamepad
---Two shots if the game is 100% compatible with the Wii U Pro controller

Wish me luck!
You won't get drunk
 

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FPLOON said:
Wow... This really paints a picture on what Yahtzee thinks of Splatoon... But, I don't think it answered the toughest question of all...

Was he a squid now? Or was he a kid now?
I hate you and everything you stand for. [small]I was going to make a squid kid joke :(. Bastard[/small]
 

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Alex Baas said:
marioandsonic said:
Wait wait wait!

Before I watch the video, I want to try out my "Yahtzee reviews a Wii U game" drinking game:

--Take a shot when he makes fun of Nintendo fans in general
--Take a shot when he says Nintendo rehashes their franchises
--Take a shot when he remarks about the Wii U's hardware being underpowered
--Take a shot when he complains about the Wii U gamepad
---Two shots if the game is 100% compatible with the Wii U Pro controller

Wish me luck!
You won't get drunk
You're right, I only took about two shots at the beginning.

Damn it Yahtzee, I'm disappointed!
 

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marioandsonic said:
Wait wait wait!

Before I watch the video, I want to try out my "Yahtzee reviews a Wii U game" drinking game:

--Take a shot when he makes fun of Nintendo fans in general
--Take a shot when he says Nintendo rehashes their franchises
--Take a shot when he remarks about the Wii U's hardware being underpowered
--Take a shot when he complains about the Wii U gamepad
---Two shots if the game is 100% compatible with the Wii U Pro controller

Wish me luck!
I think I counted 2 or 3 shots?
How close was I? :D

On topic:
Seems like my thoughts about the game, singleplayer is boring, online is fun.
Now excuse while I go play with my overpowered Japanese friends...
 

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marioandsonic said:
Wait wait wait!

Before I watch the video, I want to try out my "Yahtzee reviews a Wii U game" drinking game:

--Take a shot when he makes fun of Nintendo fans in general
--Take a shot when he says Nintendo rehashes their franchises
--Take a shot when he remarks about the Wii U's hardware being underpowered
--Take a shot when he complains about the Wii U gamepad
---Two shots if the game is 100% compatible with the Wii U Pro controller

Wish me luck!
You'll actually be rather sobber, actually. No comment about the technology beyond his Australian Internet sucking, to the point of even praising it over GTA Online. Not one remark about the controllers. A few jabs at their habbit of rehashing things, but to be fair it's been almost 20 years since a completely new IP not directly linked to any other. And I think you can make one out of him continuing to complement the core gameplay "placate placate".

I count about 5 shots.

Edit: Jesus H Christ I got Ninja'd so hard, Ryu Hayabusa just jumped out of my window and impregnated me with an exploding kunai.
 

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FillerDmon said:
You'll actually be rather sobber, actually. No comment about the technology beyond his Australian Internet sucking, to the point of even praising it over GTA Online. Not one remark about the controllers. A few jabs at their habbit of rehashing things, but to be fair it's been almost 20 years since a completely new IP not directly linked to any other. And I think you can make one out of him continuing to complement the core gameplay "placate placate".

I count about 5 shots.

Edit: Jesus H Christ I got Ninja'd so hard, Ryu Hayabusa just jumped out of my window and impregnated me with an exploding kunai.
Wii Party came out like several years ago. Xenoblade Chronicles, Pandora's Tower, The Last Story, Nintendo Land and Wonderful 101 are all new Nintendo IP's. I know there are also quite a few small IP's on the 3DS but can't remember them right.

EDIT: There are the Tomodachi games, the Pushno/Crashmo (is taht how they are called) games and one more recent RPG which classes and dunno what on the 3DS.
 

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Yet another good reason to invest in a WiiU. Plus all these free updates! *glances somberly at COD and Battlefield* Sigh.

So can we expect a review for Wander next week? Something needs to be torn to shreds, all this positivity is starting to make him soft. It'll be a walk in the cake...walk?
 

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Yahtzee sells himself short, he's liked quite a lot of Nintendo games overall. He's probably at 50/50.
 

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First The Witcher 3 and now this...

Yahtzee, are you feeling all right? You seem a little too positive.
 

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T-Shirt Turtle said:
So wait, Yahtzee actually liked the online multiplayer component over the singleplayer campaign? Pardon me for a second, I must check to see if the sky is falling and the seas are running red with blood....
Well, there's finally rain where I live in California, so that must mean things have gone weird. I liked how he continued to dump on GTA Online and his jokes about the higher-ups of Nintendo are self-imposed shut-ins.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Yahtzee sells himself short, he's liked quite a lot of Nintendo games overall. He's probably at 50/50.
He's not even really the one doing the short-selling. He takes potshots at Nintendo fairly often, yeah, but it's the commenters who are the ones constantly insisting that Yahtzee hates everything about Nintendo and exploding in surprise whenever he expresses enjoyment for Nintendo titles.
 

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Strain42 said:
I've been excited for Splatoon (I don't own it because I don't own a Wii U yet) and it seems like most people who give me opinions on the internet have all be praising it wildly. But the thing is...they were all people who I expected them to say that stuff before they even played it.

Yahtzee genuinely liking this game came as a huge surprise to me, a nice surprise, like getting a onion ring mixed in with your french fries.
I'll admit that I was excited for this as soon as I seen the announcement but it honestly blew me away with how fun it is.

Yeah, it was lacking a little content on launch but, now, less than 2 weeks after launch and we've already had 2 new weapons, 2 new maps, and a new game mode added (all for free!).

The 2 map rotation is actually a great idea, when I first got the game I assumed it was to pad out the experience using only 5 maps (the rotation is technically 4 maps now because ranked battles are on a separate rotation, and there are now 7 maps) but I believe it's a deliberate design choice; The maps that are on the rotation have a dramatic affect on which weapon you choose.

Blindly going into a map rotation of Arowana mall and the skatepark with a roller is going to get you destroyed, there isn't much flat ground and there are lots of ramps and walls, it is possible to do OK with a roller but you would be far better off using a different weapon. Same goes for pretty much all weapon types, each map has it's strengths and weaknesses and having the maps on a rotation forces you to think strategically before even jumping into a match (either that or just Aerospray RG).

It is just all round fun, I finished the single player and all the amiibo challenges, hit level 20 obviously, and reached rank B+ in ranked matches, and I still play every day at some point. It's addictive, there's a huge difference between turf wars and ranked matches, trying all the different types of weapons and learning effective strategies keeps me busy; while I do have preferred weapons (Blaster for ranked, Aerospray RG for turf) I've had great fun playing around with other weapons I've been killed by in various matches, I noticed a guy with a splattershot pro killing me a lot in this 1 match so I bought a set of gear to compliment it and gave it a whirl.

I'm glad Yahtzee didn't make a big song and dance about voice chat, like most reviewers do (even though yahtzee isn't really a reviewer), I don't see how it could have made the experience any better, the matches are too fast paced and short to require any over-arching super coordinated strategy, the gamepad gives you a real time view of exactly what is going on and where the ink is, if I had voice chat I would just be yelling at the 12 year olds and/or CoD players rushing for kills rather than inking turf, and they probably wouldn't listen or care anyway, so what is the point? You would get a small advantage if you used it and the other team didn't but honestly not that much, it would just be people pointing out things you can already see and should be looking at.
(You can also press up on the D-pad to signal all your team mates you need help, and super jumping makes giving this backup easy)

Main complaint is the RNG gear abilities, there is something oddly satisfying about the RNG landing on something you want, but it's utterly infuriating when you roll useless abilities for the weapon you are using. I guess they needed you to spend your money on something (30000 for ability reroll, or to add an ability slot to an item that isn't full).
 

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Wow yathzee actually liked a Nintendo game, and not just any nintendo game but a multiplayer nintendo game, guess its time to buy a nuclear shelter because the world is about to end.

Does anybody get the feeling yathzee has literally the worst miiverse experience possible? Like almost every website I go to has tons of amusing miiverse splatoon pictures, but every time yathzee encounters the miiverse in splatoon all he gets are bizzare Nintendo fans, maybe it?s a conspiracy by Nintendo.
 

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T-Shirt Turtle said:
So wait, Yahtzee actually liked the online multiplayer component over the singleplayer campaign? Pardon me for a second, I must check to see if the sky is falling and the seas are running red with blood....
Surely the world must be ending... at least, that's the guy banging at my window keeps telling me
 

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LordTerminal said:
See Yahtzee, it's not that hard to make a fair review about a Nintendo game. And by fair I don't exactly mean, "he likes it".
I don't recall Yahtzee ever being unfair to a Nintendo game. Even in his more wacky reviews, Yahtzee has been completely sincere in how he feels about a game.
 

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This is your new Paper Mario, Yahtzee!

"You're unfair to Nintendo!"
"Ah, but you see, snarky commenter asshole, I like Splatoon!"

"You should stop shitting on multiplayer games all the time!"
"Ah, but you see, I enjoyed Splatoon's multiplayer far more than the single player!"
 

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I guess I was correct in thinking this game looked fun. I'l be sure to play it once Splatoon 2 comes out. Or Spla2oon or whatever it will be called.
 

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FPLOON said:
Wow... This really paints a picture on what Yahtzee thinks of Splatoon... But, I don't think it answered the toughest question of all...

Was he a squid now? Or was he a kid now?
Eh, I split the difference. I think he's a skid now.
 

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BiH-Kira said:
Wii Party came out like several years ago. Xenoblade Chronicles, Pandora's Tower, The Last Story, Nintendo Land and Wonderful 101 are all new Nintendo IP's. I know there are also quite a few small IP's on the 3DS but can't remember them right.

EDIT: There are the Tomodachi games, the Pushno/Crashmo (is taht how they are called) games and one more recent RPG which classes and dunno what on the 3DS.
FillerDmon said:
a completely new IP not directly linked to any other.
Challenge Accepted. I believe my quote was:
FillerDmon said:
a completely new IP not directly linked to any other.
How many of those games were developed by Nintendo without reuing elements from others? A quick look says...

Wii Party: How many assets just got recollored from Mario Party?
Xenoblade Chronicles: Monolith Soft
Pandora's Tower: Ganbarion
The Last Story: Mistwalker
Nintendo Land: Blatantly pulls from how many Nintendo Franchises?
Wonderful 101: I don't even have to look that one up; Platinum Games for the Win.
Pushmo/Crashmo: Intelligent Systems.

Tomodachi Life I'll give you, snarky comments about being more of a "faffing-about" simulator rather than a game aside.

So that's 2 1st Party Nintendo Games that were birthed entirely via the womb of Nintendo without influence by anything else they've done, over the span of 20 years.

Not that I'm complaining: I love my Pokemans, Zelders, Merryos, and Pekmens, and I hope earnestly for a Starfox trailer at this year's e3. Starfox and Metroid. And an F-Zero Mario Crossover. And Devil's 3rd.
 

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FillerDmon said:
Monolith Soft is a Nintendo first party studio bought several years ago. In 2007 to be more prices. So it's a Nintendo game, a new IP. Unrelated to their other IPs.
Gambarion made Pandora's Tower, at Nintendo's request. The IP is owned by Nintendo. It's a new Nintendo IP, unrelated to their other IPs. Same goes for The Last Story and Mistwalker and the W101 and Platinum Games. Both IPs owned by Nintendo.
Not sure if IS is a 1st or 2nd party Nintendo studio, but they are working exclusively for Nintendo since they were created back in 1986 and everything they make is paid and owned by Nintendo.

All of the games I listed are are new IP's, owned by Nintendo.

Also as for Wii Party, I actually meant to write Wii Sports. But even Wii Party is a new IP.
 

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Alcom1 said:
LordTerminal said:
See Yahtzee, it's not that hard to make a fair review about a Nintendo game. And by fair I don't exactly mean, "he likes it".
I don't recall Yahtzee ever being unfair to a Nintendo game. Even in his more wacky reviews, Yahtzee has been completely sincere in how he feels about a game.
*cough* Smash Bros Brawl *cough*

I will give him that in some games he's been a lot better at not seeming like he's inherently prejudice against Nintendo (including needing to pull out token examples to seem like he isn't. "No, I don't hate Black People; one of my favorite games is Paper Mario!" ... wait, I think I got that backwards. "No, I don't hate Nintendo; some of my favorite games are Black!").

But that review, among others, spends maybe 50 seconds actually talking about issues the game has (camera-to-stage issues, hyped up characters needing to be unlocked first, the single player mode being nail-pullingly long), and spends the entire rest of the time shitting on the game for existing, fans of it for existing, and fighting/multiplayer games in general. Hell, his recent essay on Smash 4 was actually more fair. At least there he acknowledges that he's got no bloody reason to play the game, let alone review it: he hates fighting games, hates multiplayer games, and a game that cashes in on Nostalgia most likely won't stand a chance with him, so all in all it would be a waste of his time to dump a steaming pile on it. What would he say that he hasn't already said?

And for the record, no, I did not defend the name "Nintendo Wii" when it was first released. Quite frankly, I was sticking to the "Revolution" until I saw the box when I unwrapped it for Christmas. Though I will admit to being a "that guy", though his knowledge on "that guys" is very heavily limited.

@Bih-Kira, I think the difference is in recognizing whether something is First Party, or Second Party, even though that isn't exactly a term used much in the industry, due to the fact that the publishing company retains such a level of control over the second party that it is basically part of them. Most of the above are on a technical level Second Party, but such things normally aren't recognized as such. Not quite fully Nintendo, the way Mario, Link, Samus, and Pikachu and friends are, but close cousins. Hell, even Donkey Kong was born from and still made by a Second Party Company, so he's like a First Cousin Once Removed.

Wii Part is part of the "Nintendo Wii" series, including Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort, and other "Wii" games.
 

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Nice to know Yahtzee enjoyed the game. It is weird of him liking a games multiplayer more then the single player but it's fine. Also I don't blame him refusing to call it ink when it's more like paint cause I had that issue at first.
 

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LordTerminal said:
See Yahtzee, it's not that hard to make a fair review about a Nintendo game. And by fair I don't exactly mean, "he likes it".

Thanatos2k said:
Sounds like classic Nintendo. Get the core gameplay right and then fuck up the online.
Except they didn't. Unless you're talking about the whole "rotate the maps" thing. I consider that more akin to Animal Crossing where you have to wait a few days for certain stores to be available. It's part of an incentive to keep you playing the game. Whether it works for a shooter or not is debatable, sure, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that they fucked up the online with it.
I would. The same two maps gets boring if you've already committed an afternoon to siting down and playing a competitive shooter. There are also multiple issues with how joining friends works, or rather how difficult it all is, and in general, just goes to show how far behind Nintendo's online gaming model is compared to the Xbox One or the Playstation 4.

Splatoon is a decent game with all of the fun quirks that make it very Nintendo-ey, Nintendo itself may need to do better with it's online gaming, but this game is a step in the right direction.
 

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Kyle Davis said:
Nice to know Yahtzee enjoyed the game. It is weird of him liking a games multiplayer more then the single player but it's fine. Also I don't blame him refusing to call it ink when it's more like paint cause I had that issue at first.
Eh. Squids make Ink. There are actual Ink rollers and colored Ink in real life, so using that in the game seems fine. I almost think he decided to call it Paint instead and make Ink puns just as the gimic of the video, like doing some in lymric or with accents, or Tomb Raider without mentioning boobs.

And yeah, for anyone who thinks that the Single Player is worth the experience, they're totally wrong. To use another series I just mentioned, Smash Bros Brawl and, to a lesser extent Smash 4, are both totally fun as hell in the single player, and can be taken to online single player rather easily. It just so happens that it also happens to have among the greatest multiplayer experiences ever devised in the electronic media, at least until we can get force-feed back genitals and do e-orgies.

Splatoon's single player, in regards to it's multiplayer, is, to use a phrase Yahtzee used, "a tiny irrelevant mouse, clinging to the back of a roaring lion wearing a jet-pack". Anyone without an internet connection will definitely want to skip Splatoon, or do no more than rent it before taking it back. Anyone with an internet connection, and most likely being able to read this note at all, should definitely give Splatoon a try, it not an outright buy, assuming they have a WiiU.

Quick Edit: As for the online, I wouldn't say that the low number of maps is an issue now, so long as they continue to abide by a promise to release more of them in updates. I will note that the friend match-making is currently just barely above shit, and it will be nice if they ever fix that.
 

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zelda2fanboy said:
I guess I was correct in thinking this game looked fun. I'l be sure to play it once Splatoon 2 comes out. Or Spla2oon or whatever it will be called.
Really looks like shit to me. It's a single-weapon console-shooter with a focus on shooting the static environment over other players. I'm sure it's extremely polished, but the core concept is one of the worst in recent memory.
 

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Drops a Sweet Katana said:
FPLOON said:
Wow... This really paints a picture on what Yahtzee thinks of Splatoon... But, I don't think it answered the toughest question of all...

Was he a squid now? Or was he a kid now?
I hate you and everything you stand for. [small]I was going to make a squid kid joke :(. Bastard[/small]
What can I say? I am a corrupted Champion who is, but, a human in squid clothing... ;p
-Dragmire- said:
FPLOON said:
Wow... This really paints a picture on what Yahtzee thinks of Splatoon... But, I don't think it answered the toughest question of all...

Was he a squid now? Or was he a kid now?
Eh, I split the difference. I think he's a skid now.
http://statici.behindthevoiceactors.com/behindthevoiceactors/_img/chars/char_14344.jpg
 

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Sotanaht said:
zelda2fanboy said:
I guess I was correct in thinking this game looked fun. I'l be sure to play it once Splatoon 2 comes out. Or Spla2oon or whatever it will be called.
Really looks like shit to me. It's a single-weapon console-shooter with a focus on shooting the static environment over other players. I'm sure it's extremely polished, but the core concept is one of the worst in recent memory.
Concepts are meaningless on their own. The execution is what determines if it's good or not.
 

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Enlong said:
Sotanaht said:
zelda2fanboy said:
I guess I was correct in thinking this game looked fun. I'l be sure to play it once Splatoon 2 comes out. Or Spla2oon or whatever it will be called.
Really looks like shit to me. It's a single-weapon console-shooter with a focus on shooting the static environment over other players. I'm sure it's extremely polished, but the core concept is one of the worst in recent memory.
Concepts are meaningless on their own. The execution is what determines if it's good or not.
You can polish a turd, but it'll still be a turd. Execution won't make a good game out of a bad idea.
 

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Monolith Soft is a Nintendo first party studio bought several years ago. In 2007 to be more prices. So it's a Nintendo game, a new IP. Unrelated to their other IPs.
Gambarion made Pandora's Tower, at Nintendo's request. The IP is owned by Nintendo. It's a new Nintendo IP, unrelated to their other IPs. Same goes for The Last Story and Mistwalker and the W101 and Platinum Games. Both IPs owned by Nintendo.
Not sure if IS is a 1st or 2nd party Nintendo studio, but they are working exclusively for Nintendo since they were created back in 1986 and everything they make is paid and owned by Nintendo.

All of the games I listed are are new IP's, owned by Nintendo.

Also as for Wii Party, I actually meant to write Wii Sports. But even Wii Party is a new IP.
That's what happens when people don't pay attention or try to create arbitrary limitations because they realize the facts are not in their favor. It's not that Nintendo doesn't creat new IPs, it's that they aren't allowed to because that ruins the illusion of Nintendo being some old fogey that is out of touch with the world when in fact they're more cautious about getting into certain things because they realize slippery slopes could happen. Such as with DLC which they saw how exploitative and lazy devs were and didn't do that. They saw the issues of online multiplayer such as people ignoring most of the maps and weapons for arbitrary reasons and decided to design the game to avoid that. They essentially used an entire gaming industry as a beta tester to see if trends would continue or just vanish into nothingness as well as to see what worked and what didn't.
 

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That's what happens when people don't pay attention or try to create arbitrary limitations because they realize the facts are not in their favor. It's not that Nintendo doesn't creat new IPs, it's that they aren't allowed to because that ruins the illusion of Nintendo being some old fogey that is out of touch with the world when in fact they're more cautious about getting into certain things because they realize slippery slopes could happen. Such as with DLC which they saw how exploitative and lazy devs were and didn't do that. They saw the issues of online multiplayer such as people ignoring most of the maps and weapons for arbitrary reasons and decided to design the game to avoid that. They essentially used an entire gaming industry as a beta tester to see if trends would continue or just vanish into nothingness as well as to see what worked and what didn't.
I was mostly under the assumption that Nintendo didn't create a lot of new ips because most of the time, they can pitch some new concept or idea easily under the line of an already existing franchise, for better (Smash Bros, Luigi's Mansion) or worse (Kirby's Epic Yarn, Starfox Adventures). I'll certainly acknowledge that, while part of me wants to say low hanging fruit, the Wii Series of games is a valid ip, as is admittedly Tomodachi Life. Even still, it's a token game here or there that's entirely new and that is developed entirely by Nintendo itself, rather than a 2nd or 3rd party studio (and on that note, I've got a good argument for the difference between 1st and 2nd party. Age of Ultron is totally a Marvel Movie. It just so happens that it's being bank rolled and then making money for the House of Mouse. It certainly isn't a standard Disney Movie. For that matter, the same can be said for Pixar as well, which is why Disney went back to them after Chicken Little).

But I wouldn't say that they had the forseight to see around the mistakes and money grabs other companies make. If they did, then the WiiU would probably outsell both the Ps4 and Xbone combined. Not to mention they wouldn't release consoles not only ahead of the others before the next generation officially begins, but even before they themselves have new games ready to launch on it.

Nintendo just seems to do their own thing. Some times this is the best thing that can ever happen, and sometimes even Nintendo misteps. Nintendo reminds me a bit of Dumbledore, in that no one ever understands them, yet at their worst they're doing okay, and at their best they dwarf everything around them.

I was under the assumption that the map restiction choice was to ensure that those who played gained a great fundamental understanding of the maps in the unranked multiplayer, so that they would be ready to rock and roll during the ranked battles. The weapon problem will actually probably affect Splatoon, too. I suspect it will be a matter of time before, at the very least, certain individual weapons will start to be used less and less; some of the snipers for example come with similar abilities but with the edition of a scope for better aiming.

As for online multiplayer... well, honestly, the online's been Nintendo's biggest weakness for far too long. Even though I more than enjoy local multiplayer better than anything else, they could have had a better online stance years earlier than they did.
 

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I guess I was correct in thinking this game looked fun. I'l be sure to play it once Splatoon 2 comes out. Or Spla2oon or whatever it will be called.
Really looks like shit to me. It's a single-weapon console-shooter with a focus on shooting the static environment over other players. I'm sure it's extremely polished, but the core concept is one of the worst in recent memory.
Concepts are meaningless on their own. The execution is what determines if it's good or not.
You can polish a turd, but it'll still be a turd. Execution won't make a good game out of a bad idea.
I'd hesitate to say any idea is inherently good or bad (unless we're talking about an idea that's racist or otherwise harmful, I suppose) as a concept alone. Any idea can sound amazing or terrible depending on how you phrase it (did you know people actually like a game in which you fight nothing but bosses after spending an hour riding across barren land with no music between each one? How about the game about moving low-poly cubes?), but they have no qualiy, positive or negative, as just an idea.
 

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@Bih-Kira, I think the difference is in recognizing whether something is First Party, or Second Party, even though that isn't exactly a term used much in the industry, due to the fact that the publishing company retains such a level of control over the second party that it is basically part of them. Most of the above are on a technical level Second Party, but such things normally aren't recognized as such. Not quite fully Nintendo, the way Mario, Link, Samus, and Pikachu and friends are, but close cousins. Hell, even Donkey Kong was born from and still made by a Second Party Company, so he's like a First Cousin Once Removed.

Wii Part is part of the "Nintendo Wii" series, including Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort, and other "Wii" games.
No, it's actually a well defined line between first and second party.
First part is something that is owned by the company. Monolith Soft is owned by Nintendo, they are as much first part as Nintendo EAD.
Game Freak is second party. They are not owned by Nintendo, but they make games almost exclusively for Nintendo. Naughty Dog was a Sony second party developer from 1996 to 2001 until Sony bought them.

First party is owned by the company, second party isn't, but they are an exclusive developer. Rare Software was a Nintendo second party developer for a long time until they were sold to Nintendo. Honestly, saying that Monolith Soft isn't a 1st party developer is like saying Retro games isn't a first party developer, or that Sakurai isn't a Nintendo developer because he doesn't work for Nintendo EAD.

So all of the games I've listed are Nintendo first party games, made in the past what? 7 years? Also bunching up all the Wii games is extremely unfair. Some of them are so different from each other hat they only touching point is that they use Miis. You can't tell me that WiiFit and WiiParty are the same IP. They are fundamentally different games. I accept Wii Sport, Party and Sport Resort being under the same umbrella because they are party games consisting of many mini games.

And it's extremely unfair to say that they aren't 1st party games because they didn't derivative from existing IPs, but then later complaint that they only make new games based on their existing IPs. You're saying new different games don't count, but then say they don't make any new games. "Why aren't they making new games? No, all the new games don't count because I said so!"

Yes, Nintendo is extremely slow to adopt new things and they usually make new games by seeing if it can be an existing IP and making new IPs only if they can't use a old one. But that's not a reason to deny all the cool new stuff they make, that people ignore. You know why they make a lot of Mario games and advertise those games the most? Because people don't buy the non-Mario and Zelda games. Pandora's Tower was a freaking awesome game, it sold bad. The Last Story was a nice JRPG, didn't sell good. Xenoblade did well and people showed they want more of it, Nintendo made Xenoblade X. Last F-Zero sold badly, Nintendo took it as people not wanting more. Even Miyamoto was surprised that people want more of the game when it sold so badly, which is the reason he said to wait for it, it might happen.
 

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Wait wait wait!

Before I watch the video, I want to try out my "Yahtzee reviews a Wii U game" drinking game:

--Take a shot when he makes fun of Nintendo fans in general
--Take a shot when he says Nintendo rehashes their franchises
--Take a shot when he remarks about the Wii U's hardware being underpowered
--Take a shot when he complains about the Wii U gamepad
---Two shots if the game is 100% compatible with the Wii U Pro controller

Wish me luck!
Annnnnnd now im drunk . . . . .
 

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You can polish a turd, but it'll still be a turd. Execution won't make a good game out of a bad idea.
Dark Void begs to differ.
 

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Wow... This really paints a picture on what Yahtzee thinks of Splatoon... But, I don't think it answered the toughest question of all...

Was he a squid now? Or was he a kid now?
I hate you and everything you stand for. [small]I was going to make a squid kid joke :(. Bastard[/small]
What can I say? I am a corrupted Champion who is, but, a human in squid clothing... ;p
You have betrayed all of squid kind. Purge the human! Rend it in twain with noodly appendages! Burn the remains as best you can, but it's alright if you can't what with us being in water and all. Don't worry too much about the salt. I'm fairly sure a saline solution will suffice.
 

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Drops a Sweet Katana said:
FPLOON said:
Drops a Sweet Katana said:
FPLOON said:
Wow... This really paints a picture on what Yahtzee thinks of Splatoon... But, I don't think it answered the toughest question of all...

Was he a squid now? Or was he a kid now?
I hate you and everything you stand for. [small]I was going to make a squid kid joke :(. Bastard[/small]
What can I say? I am a corrupted Champion who is, but, a human in squid clothing... ;p
You have betrayed all of squid kind. Purge the human! Rend it in twain with noodly appendages! Burn the remains as best you can, but it's alright if you can't what with us being in water and all. Don't worry too much about the salt. I'm fairly sure a saline solution will suffice.
You'll never take me dead, Squid-coppers!
*shoots an extended inky path*
*escapes through inky path*
 

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the way the map system is right now is so you can have a chance to learn the maps and with a new map comming every week(according to nintendo), it wont take long until you have mastered all maps
I learned all the maps for Team Fortress 2 because I was able to choose which one I wanted to play on. Likewise, I thought the End of the Line map was rather easy to understand, but that's another issue all together.

OT:
Splatoon looks like an interesting game, but I don't think I can justify buying a console to play it. I guess this is where friends with their heads' stuck up Nintendo's ass come in handy. Play the game without spending any money.
 

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Curse this game for having such a catchy theme song!! *Shakes fist menacingly. Mutters playing the song on the splatoon 3ds theme.*
Honestly even Nintendo level PVP I'm not interested in.
 

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zelda2fanboy said:
I guess I was correct in thinking this game looked fun. I'l be sure to play it once Splatoon 2 comes out. Or Spla2oon or whatever it will be called.
Really looks like shit to me. It's a single-weapon console-shooter with a focus on shooting the static environment over other players. I'm sure it's extremely polished, but the core concept is one of the worst in recent memory.
I loved doing that in The Unfinished Swan and Super Mario Sunshine. However, this is coming from me and I abhor pretty much every competitive online shooter I've ever played. Still seems strange for Nintendo to cater to that market (me) and I won't even buy it. I gots too many damn games. I'm just now playing Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon.
 

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Mr_Spanky said:
marioandsonic said:
Wait wait wait!

Before I watch the video, I want to try out my "Yahtzee reviews a Wii U game" drinking game:

--Take a shot when he makes fun of Nintendo fans in general
--Take a shot when he says Nintendo rehashes their franchises
--Take a shot when he remarks about the Wii U's hardware being underpowered
--Take a shot when he complains about the Wii U gamepad
---Two shots if the game is 100% compatible with the Wii U Pro controller

Wish me luck!
Annnnnnd now im drunk . . . . .
Drunk off 1 shot? Lightweight.
 

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See Yahtzee, it's not that hard to make a fair review about a Nintendo game. And by fair I don't exactly mean, "he likes it".
I don't recall Yahtzee ever being unfair to a Nintendo game. Even in his more wacky reviews, Yahtzee has been completely sincere in how he feels about a game.
Do I really have to go into how he wasted a good chunk of his Super Mario 3D World review ranting about the Miiverse function that was completely optional again?