Zero Punctuation: Super Paper Mario
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Now to bring this thing back from the land of the dead, i was wonder what Yahtzee´s thoughts are on american RPGs like the Neverwinter Nights series and other ones like those.
I have played a good couple of JRPGs, although i'm only limited to a PC and never owned a console beyong the NES and Sega Genesis, so my experiences with RPG and JRPG has only been limited to whatever is released on the PC platform and captures my interest around the times that i have money to spend on them, however the few that i have played have been somewhat enjoyable, but in the land of RPG i think that Neverwinter Nights is one of the better RPGs out there, but then again, that can also be because i´m a geek and seem to enjoy the Dungeons And Dragons games, of which the NWN series is a computer version.
But all in all, i love the reviews here, and certainly are a nice little highlight in my weekly internet update checking schedule, so keep up the good work, and if Yahtzee reads this and likes to reply to it, i´d love to hear the thoughts on NWN.
I have played a good couple of JRPGs, although i'm only limited to a PC and never owned a console beyong the NES and Sega Genesis, so my experiences with RPG and JRPG has only been limited to whatever is released on the PC platform and captures my interest around the times that i have money to spend on them, however the few that i have played have been somewhat enjoyable, but in the land of RPG i think that Neverwinter Nights is one of the better RPGs out there, but then again, that can also be because i´m a geek and seem to enjoy the Dungeons And Dragons games, of which the NWN series is a computer version.
But all in all, i love the reviews here, and certainly are a nice little highlight in my weekly internet update checking schedule, so keep up the good work, and if Yahtzee reads this and likes to reply to it, i´d love to hear the thoughts on NWN.
He didn't say 30 minutes, he said a quarter of an hour or so...meaning 15 minutes. I played this game as well, and it takes about 10-15 minutes to acquire the amount of rupees that you need to buy the information to get the million from the vault at the top floor. I'd be pissed if I was Yatzee, cause half of you think he's stupid enough to try to get the whole 1,000,000 rupees in the wheel. Think about how long that would take if it takes about 5 minutes to get 1500 rupees. It would go on for far longer than he claimed to be in the hampster wheel.TendoAddict said:
I think I speak for a lot in of western audiences with western taste that JRPG are horrible.(based on playing ff12). First of all JRPG are notoriously linear. Especially the FF series where you feel like you are only fighting to get to the next cut scene to advance the story. It seems in that such blockbuster cutscenes are expensive and time consuming to produce, so having several cutscenes for several path choices would be commercially prohibitive. This adds game breaking bad linear story telling and repetitive game play.korosora said:
What you do via combat or dialogue has no semblance on story, so japanese JRPG fail narrative wise regulating you to spectator status rather than player. It like you are watching a Japanese anime series rather than playing......Playing a game, requires playing....
Spectator status wouldn't be so bad if the stories were masterpieces. Well from my experience (FF12) they aren't. Any objective literary judging would say that the stories are really badly written written for the lowest common denominator meaning geeky anime fanboys or dumb teens. Its like shit..
So JRPG are like watching Japanese anime, fiddling with a remote control to get the next cut scene, then eating shit by watching the story unfold.
Other than Xenosaga, which actually had a good enough story to justify it, I really can't think of a recent RPG that overtly felt like it was filler game play to advance story. Also, I assume Yahtzee (and a majority of posters on here) are unfamiliar with the "action RPG" sub-genre. A number of non-turn based RPGs:
The Valkyrie Profile series
The Tales of... series
the Soul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/Terranigma trilogy
Odin Sphere
Otogi and Otogi 2
Dragon Force
Guardian Heroes
To say nothing of the myriad of isometric-perspective S/T RPGs
Also I hate how everyone says that the games look like anime as a pejorative. That's the type of artwork the country, as a whole, produces, so why does it come as a shock when it's in video games? Japan's animated movies look like it, their comic books look like it, so it stands to reason their video games would also look like it. It seems that cheeseburger inhaling yanks and tea sucking limeys share common ground when it comes to ignorance of JRPGs.
The Valkyrie Profile series
The Tales of... series
the Soul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/Terranigma trilogy
Odin Sphere
Otogi and Otogi 2
Dragon Force
Guardian Heroes
To say nothing of the myriad of isometric-perspective S/T RPGs
Also I hate how everyone says that the games look like anime as a pejorative. That's the type of artwork the country, as a whole, produces, so why does it come as a shock when it's in video games? Japan's animated movies look like it, their comic books look like it, so it stands to reason their video games would also look like it. It seems that cheeseburger inhaling yanks and tea sucking limeys share common ground when it comes to ignorance of JRPGs.
I never could see the appeal in this series. Too much story, uninteresting characters themed after the Mario baddies, which I could never understand, etc. Super Paper Mario annoyed me the most when I got to the guy who wanted me to literally spell out "please" over and over again just to tell me how to make some pipe come out. That and the moron who kept sending me off to find each member of his crew because one of them had something I was looking for and none of them had it. I stopped after finding the first one because the game pretty much kept dicking around with me.
Seeing you trash this crap was a nice change of pace from all of the others who praise it for how great it is, though I'm not sure why they would think this could hold a hat to anything in the traditional Mario series.
Seeing you trash this crap was a nice change of pace from all of the others who praise it for how great it is, though I'm not sure why they would think this could hold a hat to anything in the traditional Mario series.
Disgaea never came out for Nintendo, so that may be the reason. Either that or he doesn't like it, either.Terramax said:
I wonder, as the pictures he shows at the beggining of the review are from FFXII and Suikoden V, two of the least cliche'd JRPG's there are, I wonder if he even bothered playing them before slapping the pictures on the review.
lmao about the guiness joke XD
i almost caught the gay once, but it went to my friend instead
i saw paper mario when my friend played it, it looked ok but not my kinda thing ^-^
i almost caught the gay once, but it went to my friend instead
i saw paper mario when my friend played it, it looked ok but not my kinda thing ^-^
I was originally surprised when I saw Yahtzee had reviewed this, and I didn't know what to expect. I'm glad he liked it, and I was even more glad to see he also like EarthBound and the Paper Mario series as a whole, which all of them happen to be my favorites, too!
Also, some people say that you didn't HAVE to run in a giant wheel for a quarter of an hour, that you could simply get the 1,000,000 Rubees at any time through the safe, but the thing is, how the fuck was Yahtzee supposed to know to do all that the first time going through? Not all of us rely on Game Guides and GameFAQs to get through games!
...I do, though.
Also, some people say that you didn't HAVE to run in a giant wheel for a quarter of an hour, that you could simply get the 1,000,000 Rubees at any time through the safe, but the thing is, how the fuck was Yahtzee supposed to know to do all that the first time going through? Not all of us rely on Game Guides and GameFAQs to get through games!
...I do, though.
Quest for Glory 1 had a similar "weigh down the button!" portion that went something like putting a small paper weight on the enter key while standing in front of a tree to build your climbing ability.
I agree with you for the most part.LeFuze post=6.50536.356438 said:
but , as far as I know (only reading the wiki page of the FF games, and playing FFX) FFXII's story sucks in comparison to the other ones to the point where you might as well say girls are ugly when the only one you've ever saw was rosie-O donnell..
Assuming by JRPGs you and yahtzee both mean games like Final Fantasy, Super paper mario and.......*looks through pile of games ok I can't find another one but ones that are basically Elder scrolls but from Japan and not Devil May Cry. Jrpg's in general are anime done wrong(and FFXII is a JRPG done wrong
). The stories (and by story I mean character development to. Not just the basic plot.) are nowhere near on par with anime and the fights have so little interactivity and look boring enough where watching an anime fight will be better. Plus animes are free if you're willing to see them in low quality on your CPU And no, JRPGs do not provoke more thought than any other game type. RTS's provoke more thought, and normally don't make you pay attention to the mindless grinding you have to do to get strong. You send your civilians to the woods to get wood and you progressively get wood until there's no more trees left, your civilians die, or you move them. In a jrpg you have to manually walk around, wait for monsters to appear, and fight them in an extremely boring manner.