Zero Punctuation: The Amazing Spider Man 2

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I'm starting to believe that the higher powers that said "Peter Parker's life must suck" went too far and somehow made not just his adventures in comics, movies, and games suck, but the suck-levels evolved to make the actual comics, movies, and games suck too.

Oh well. I'm sure they'll just reboot him again in a few more years.
 

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Akiraacecombat said:
I don't want to be THAT guy but we knew this was shit more than a week ago.

I really like your shows Yathzee, I just wish you would more interesting stuff sometimes, like the new Wolfenstein or some Indy games over Steam, the whole train scene got my interest really peaked and I would like to see his view on that sort of thing.
Or, you know, the more recent Nintendo games that aren't Yoshi's New Island.
 

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I think this review might just be the best thing to come out of the ASS, both the movies AND the games.
 

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I heard they fixed the "moon swinging" problem in other Spider-Man games, but it's hard to believe when I see videos like this:
 

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Farther than stars said:
I'm pretty sure it's "bronze", not "copper".
Usually, yes, although copper does turn up here and there.

Farther than stars said:
I don't think there would be much of a point to a medal you could bend with your bare hands.
Well, that rules out silver and gold, both of which are softer than copper.
 

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Poor Spiderman, you just can't seem to get a break! .

So spiderman the franchise has become spiderman the character?
Poor old Peter Parker... with those good looks, ridiculously high IQ, likable personality, super rich best friend (in the movies), bad ass super powers and queue of super hotties all desperate for his spidy-silk... wait.
 

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I'd say ASM2 is good. That's bad because ASM1 was brilliant, so ASM2 should have outdone it. However, the only real problems I say I have with it are the hero/menace random events that are a problem for the reasons stated by Yahtzee, though I probably would have given it a pass if ASM1 did the same thing as most open world games do something similar. That, and then there's the swinging mechanics. Yes, I actually prefer the "Moon Swinging" as they call it because it was much less of a hassle than the mechanic they have now. As much as people whine about the swinging not being just like how Spider-Man 2 did it, having to be conscious of where buildings are and which web line to shoot is such a hassle that I prefer the moon swinging.

Besides, if I have to hear Spidey complain about there not being somewhere to shoot his web one more time...

Otherwise it was fine, however, fine is not what I've come to expect.
 

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Carnage is Spider-Man's darker half now? But that's Venom's bit.
Well Venom has been an anti-hero for a while, and has been humanizing over the years in comics, hence why you have the other symbiotes running around that require Spider Man and Venom to both team up to fight them. Indeed one popular theme in the comics is say Spider-Man or his descendants managing to make peace with the current version of Venom now that he's more than just a predator, and how powerful the resulting fusion would be. I believe one "what if" type scenario, it might have been "Earth X" had his daughter using Venom as her regular costume.

The point being I can sort of see where they are coming from, using Venom as a straightforward bad guy sort of alienates the fans that have kept the character going for so many years now, leading to him even having a solo run at one point, and so on.... and really there are only so many times you can "reboot" Venom just to do the initial story with Spider-Man, especially when it's inevitably a matter of doing the story wrong. Half the point of Venom is that it's a big question of where in Marvel's multi-verse it's from, or if it was somehow cloned specifically for Spider-Man, as odd as it sounds Venom was dispensed by a costume making machine in a base created by "The Beyonder" in "Secret Wars". As silly as that sounds, that kind of "WTF" origin story is part of what sells such a silly character. Not to mention that it was also a big part of Spider-Man's original issues with Venom because he didn't realize Venom was more than just a costume for a while, since the black suit came from a machine he thought was just a tailoring device. It wasn't like "hmm, well one day I just happen to wind up with this mysterious new costume and then people act like I'm being weird" he had a sort of valid reason for being blind sided by it.
 

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marscentral said:
It does seem like Spider-man at some point managed to draw the ire of some higher power or get on the receiving end of some sort of curse.
Wait, are we talking about the comics, or the franchise? >.>
Yes.

I don't think any more needs to be said, but here goes. The comics for years now seem to have been written by someone who hates Spider-man and is there against their will. I was there for the clone saga in the nineties, lots of comics sucked then and Spider-man was not the worst offender and at least it was trying to be good. Occasionally it was. Now it's just ways to keep any character you might have liked out of the book, including Spider-man himself with that whole "superior Spider-man" nonsense.

The last two films seem to have been made by someone who doesn't care about Spider-man but really loves money (I know that's the case with all films at some level, they are a business, but it's usually the job of the people making the film to resist that). The irony being that Sam Raimi's Spider-man films really showed that you can make great films and stay true to the character and that really helped pave the way for Iron-Man and friends to make shed loads of money for Marvel while Sony poison the vein they've gotten fat sucking on. That's pretty much the same deal with games, someone made a good one once, now they turn out any old crap and hope love of the character and the memory of the fun you had with the good one will be enough to convince you to buy it.
 

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marscentral said:
karma9308 said:
marscentral said:
It does seem like Spider-man at some point managed to draw the ire of some higher power or get on the receiving end of some sort of curse.
Wait, are we talking about the comics, or the franchise? >.>
Yes.

I don't think any more needs to be said, but here goes. The comics for years now seem to have been written by someone who hates Spider-man and is there against their will. I was there for the clone saga in the nineties, lots of comics sucked then and Spider-man was not the worst offender and at least it was trying to be good. Occasionally it was. Now it's just ways to keep any character you might have liked out of the book, including Spider-man himself with that whole "superior Spider-man" nonsense.

The last two films seem to have been made by someone who doesn't care about Spider-man but really loves money (I know that's the case with all films at some level, they are a business, but it's usually the job of the people making the film to resist that). The irony being that Sam Raimi's Spider-man films really showed that you can make great films and stay true to the character and that really helped pave the way for Iron-Man and friends to make shed loads of money for Marvel while Sony poison the vein they've gotten fat sucking on. That's pretty much the same deal with games, someone made a good one once, now they turn out any old crap and hope love of the character and the memory of the fun you had with the good one will be enough to convince you to buy it.
The clone wars was not the writer's choice but slammed down onto them by the editors. The Clone Saga started right before the comic book market crash, sending sales into the toilet, so when the interesting tale that was selling better than Marvel's other comics, the editors demanded the writers keep extending it, using the story as life support for Marvel.

Things were so bad, this was the time when they sold off all the movie rights, causing the monster we have today.
 

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Honestly if I were Max and I got electric powers I would skip over the name Electro in favor or Max Power.
 

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marscentral said:
karma9308 said:
marscentral said:
It does seem like Spider-man at some point managed to draw the ire of some higher power or get on the receiving end of some sort of curse.
Wait, are we talking about the comics, or the franchise? >.>
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I'm not sure how I got quoted in that, but I didn't say that. I think you meant to get zachary.
 

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As far as I can tell, the only good Spiderman game of it's time was the 2000 Ps1 game, which wasn't specifically attached to any other Spiderman related property.
 

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Derider man, derider man.
Does whatever a derider can.
Plays a game, any size.
Slags off everything he buys.
Look out! Here comes derider man.

Is he wrong? Listen, bud.
He's got bile instead of blood.
Does he make forum threads?
Take a look overhead.
Hey, there! There goes derider man.
 

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To all the people that got with the 1 day thing. Okay I get it, I still don't know how games in Australia go but often (and this also happen to reviewers in web pages such as Polygon) they receive an early access copy of the game (nowadays I find it hard not to have access to say ... a Steam Early copy of the game for a reviewer to be provided with) so they can write the review and yada yada yada, so it's not like is necessary to have a physical copy of the game at release date per-se nowadays when reviewers do get that kind of access before release (how much time before release is left to debate, but at least 4 or 5 days before release so reviewers can write up the summary, like Jim Sterling who had a write up and a video review of the game at release date).
Zachary Amaranth said:
I thought the point of Zero Punctuation was to take the piss out of games and very very occasionally praise them.

To the point of Wolfensteain and indie games, Yahtzee has addressed both of these rather recently. Even assuming Wolfenstein came out on time in Australia (ha!), you're not going to see him write, animate and record a review within a DAY. It came out Yesterday. And Indie games on Steam? He made his stance on that clear a week or two ago.

Maybe you don't like his reasons (though that would be baffling with Wolfenstein), but they are what they are.
Here I'm not expecting for him to praise it (though doing so would encourage me more to buy it), but rather see his views on it to see if it's worth the effort. I guess I got more used to his videos over the YT page with Gabriel, which they get to a bit of in-depth conversations about some games and characters. Still, I did forget the comedic value that ZP has vs it's actual reviewing content, but I can't ignore some of the points that come across the puns (given his appreciation for the Beatles and appreciation for killing Nazis, it wouldn't be to hard to come with ... something interesting, since Wolfenstein is basically toying with an alternative future with Nazi's 60s rock versions and all that).

I tend to watch ZP for sometimes for it's reviewing value and because I can "identify" more with Yathzee rather than generic IGN reviewer, since he basically runs down his experience from the game rather than a fucking checklist of the game's features (as is often the case). I know Jim Sterling got that covered but I think (and this a personal opinion, not a statement) he didn't liked the game because of how the premise toyed with the core concept, and that is something that people who have different kind of tendencies over different aspects of narrative clash with each other as of not having a consensus in the overall experience because of these contradicting views (not to say that his Wolfenstein review was bad, or that he reviewed the game bad or anything, but rather than is just not a view I could accept as definitive about the game, well after the Polygon review).

It shouldn't be down to critics to determine what I should or should not buy, but they do summarize what a game as a whole is, I watch different reviews from different sources just to get a glimpse of what could be interesting for me, only to find that is all a mess of conflicting views, ideas, concepts, bribery and so on, hence why I ended up relaying more on articles and stuff to give me a view of the game as it is, and how the experience plays out.
 

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Hehehehe, this was a great one. The Black Cat bit cracked me up something fierce ^^