Zero Punctuation: The Witness & Bombshell
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Huh, I know that the visuals of "The Witness" are pretty bitching, but I thought there was more to it then puzzles to unlock more puzzles...
I know Braid had some pretty neat gameplay involving time mechanics but I never was one of those "Walking Simulators", especially if the main gameplay is those weird as puzzles.
I know Braid had some pretty neat gameplay involving time mechanics but I never was one of those "Walking Simulators", especially if the main gameplay is those weird as puzzles.
this review managed to very efficiently point out the thing that i have been wondering about in regards of the witness, namely why people think it's GOTY material and has sold 100000 copies when it's basically just a hub for the kind of puzzles you would find at the back of a newspaper. i don't play many puzzle games but i know that if i had to pick one it would be something like Portal where you actually interact with the world around you than a very expensive digital sudoku book
So basically Blow brought visual design but forgot the interesting gameplay in the taxi. Not a good way to follow up Braid, which had interesting level design and platforming as the driving force.
I'm surprised that this indie double bill (as classified back in 2008 or so) doesn't have a game Yahtzee recommends, especially since this one has an indie game I never heard of previously. In the past 2 years, every ZP about 1 or 2 indie game(s) had a recommendation.
More like "NYEH HEH HEH Junior Jumble", am I right?Jonluw said:
I'm really surprised, I thought The Witness would be Yahtzee's kind of game. I also find it a bit odd that he suggests the puzzles and the environment never have any interaction with each other, yeah it's not like Portal and Myst (with the possible exception of the last bit which he admitted to not playing) but the two do still rely on each other to quite a large extent. I guess the game is just really divisive that way.
They're not phantoms, Yahtzee, reach out and touch them. See for yourself. Or...feel for yourself i guess i should say type.
It sounds like bombshell is a conscious attempt at a gender swapped Duke Nukem, so i guess the comedic maturity should work on the same level playing field then? Maybe with the wrong audience in mind though. Highlights the difference between how people react to it quite interestingly.
It sounds like bombshell is a conscious attempt at a gender swapped Duke Nukem, so i guess the comedic maturity should work on the same level playing field then? Maybe with the wrong audience in mind though. Highlights the difference between how people react to it quite interestingly.
Yeah that brand of female protagonist where having a vagina is her sole personality trait I can really do without. You didn't see Shepard or Tali walking around thrusting their womanhood at everything. Jack did, certainly, but it was considered a fault and a coping mechanism. And you help her mature and come to terms with her life.
Hell, even male protagonists don't by and large do that. Booker doesn't. Shepard didn't. Dante did a bunch of thrusting, sure, but that was only because he was in the Lust Circle and sex daemons respond well to scythes up the giggy(which rhymes with puppy. But not very well).
It almost sounds like Bombshell is the female equivalent to Duke Nukem or Leisure Suit Larry. All joke and innuendo, but in Bombshells case it sounds like someone forgot to tell her she's in a comedy game. Or when Pamela Anderson made Barbed Wire and legitimately thought people saw it for her acting abilities.
Hell, even male protagonists don't by and large do that. Booker doesn't. Shepard didn't. Dante did a bunch of thrusting, sure, but that was only because he was in the Lust Circle and sex daemons respond well to scythes up the giggy(which rhymes with puppy. But not very well).
It almost sounds like Bombshell is the female equivalent to Duke Nukem or Leisure Suit Larry. All joke and innuendo, but in Bombshells case it sounds like someone forgot to tell her she's in a comedy game. Or when Pamela Anderson made Barbed Wire and legitimately thought people saw it for her acting abilities.
I haven't seen the whole game but the interaction it has with the hub world didn't seem really in depth to me. Sure you solve puzzles that move boats and platforms but those aren't really puzzles as much as they just slightly more complicated buttons. Then there's the puzzles that require you to walk on specific parts of the world based on the puzzle solution. But that's not a puzzle that's just memorization. You either remember or you don't or you're smart and just take a picture and know where to go. Oh and some puzzles I guess have hints in the environment but that's so abstract it seemed like padding to me. Like, it wasn't solved because you're smart but because you brute forced your way until you solve it and see what the specific solution was. And the puzzles themselves are only hard because you don't know what problem you're solving half of the time. You can complete tutorials without really learning all the rules so you get stuck and that just seems like bad game design to me.Adam Locking said: