Your really bashing yourself though you realize, with the whole you being a laid-back evil-overlord web comic you made back then. Besides the point that specifically bashed cad(which i read occasionally for chef brain(fish paste!))every point could be easily be said of your old comics.
Zero Punctuation: Webcomics
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Gasp! A webcomic author that can weather constructive criticism and satirical jibes? "Perhaps I shall quickly look outside to make sure the sky isn't falling and the seas are not running red with blood, har hee har hee har!"sfallen said:
Not trying to be a smarmy ****, but I'm glad to see intelligent people in that community and thought you might appreciate the joke.
First of all I wish to point out that Yahtzee almost definitely reads Ctrl-Alt-Delete if he is doing a vid that uses it as an unspoken example (and target).
Yes but (and I take no credit for this observation) trivial arguments ruin far fewer good friendships than well supported debates do. Other than that all I can say is welcome to the internet I suggest you watch your step. XDAidanadv said:
At this point I really read most of my web comics for the serious plot in the same way that I read something like a Manga. One liners are great and so are week long jokes but what really pulled me into many of the comics I read (CAD specifically actually) was the suspense and wish to see what happens next during really good story lines.Aidanadv said:
Probably Internet detritus that has simply been regurgitated by someone who should know better but loses (like so many of us) an embarrassing number of IQ points when they sit down in front of a computer.Aidanadv said:
But he has stated in the news posts that he knew he was getting into a serious and potentially unpopular subject. If people don't ever talk about things like this then what does that leave us with? A whole lot of repeated penis jokes and a lot of good serious content that everyone ignores because it doesn't amuse. I personally like the direction CAD has taken. It still has a lot of the humor but it also has a serious plot that involves a serious relationship between two people who love each other. Even XKCD occasionally explores serious subjects.PrincessRtardio said:I have never been a follower of CAD and by the looks of it never will be. Most subject matter is fair game on the internet, it may be my vagina talking, but miscarriage for a gaming comic that is not only done with an audience in mind that obviously can't get the "joke" as it is explained to death every step of the way, but it to be used by an obvious virgin with as little life experience as a man fond of dog milk, not to mention as little influence on the gaming world as dog milk! It is just arrogant to the point of obscene. To think it is OK because he does it? What a Johnson! Nice change from reviewing and a very good point!
This isn't satirizing web-comics. This is satirizing all those who bash web-comics for failing to live up to some vaguely defined expectation that no one ever really gets around to voicing because all those who feel that they should meet this mystery expectation are to busy bashing the comics for not meeting it and the rest of us don't care (and have no idea what the bashers are smoking) (please note that this does not apply to legitimate criticism of a web-comic. This applies to all those who can't seem to get past the phrase "Because it sucks you moron" in their explanation of WHY it sucks)p1ne said:This sucks. Good satire has a point and this doesn't; it's just bashing for the sake of bashing. Why go to the trouble? It's not like webcomic authors are trying to charge you money for what they make.
I want more clever game reviews.
That would be difficult, since Tim has a nasty habit of bleaching clean any residue of criticism that exists, such as deleting his WoW guild, threads that negatively portray him or his comic, or his proven editing of his own wikipedia page (as well as replacing the PvP page with 'pvp sucks' but we'll gloss over that like Buckley over constructive criticism.)David_Cat said:
I'm sure any other threads about this ZP video that are started on his police state forums (which take roughly 2 weeks to join, and about a second to be banned from) would be immediately squeezed out of his forums like a bulbous pimple.
A punchline should be equated to an actual punch in the face. That's why it's called a punch-line. You deliver it and run. You do not hang around explaining how you did the punch and that the recipient should probably be in a lot of pain now. B^Uckley is the latter.
I think the only gaming webcomic that ever made me lol was "DM of the Rings" but that's not about video games. I suppose CAD is proof positive for the GIFT, though I can't say much because I try to keep CAD wank off my side of the Internet (even if it does seep in, the tricky bastard).
This was hilarious of course, actually the hardest I've laughed at Zero Punctuation for a while, but I still have a problem with it...
The issue here is that everybody knows what comic Yahtzee was talking about the whole time, and CAD is a bit of an anomaly in the webcomic world (I think). I think the trend leans much more towards making generic game-related comics that recycle jokes, use bad art, and further alienate gamers from the rest of the world by constantly making references only gamers would get. I think this is a much better critique of webcomics in general:
http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail181.html
I mean I know Homestar Runner is so 2006 but I'm sure you can handle watching it anyway...
The issue here is that everybody knows what comic Yahtzee was talking about the whole time, and CAD is a bit of an anomaly in the webcomic world (I think). I think the trend leans much more towards making generic game-related comics that recycle jokes, use bad art, and further alienate gamers from the rest of the world by constantly making references only gamers would get. I think this is a much better critique of webcomics in general:
http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail181.html
I mean I know Homestar Runner is so 2006 but I'm sure you can handle watching it anyway...
People get banned everywhere for going 'lol first post' because it's a waste of space and every fuckin' idiot is gonna spam the first portion of the thread trying to claim it. CAD bans people who PRAISE HIM.
=) Nah, didn't see it as you being crass. It's one of those things that is rampant in the community: the inability to laugh at themselves or take criticism. Oh... and keep update schedules. That's the other big one (and I know I'm very guilty of it.)BlueInkAlchemist said:
I'm just glad one of my friends introduced me to Zero Punctuation during one of our Halo 3 nights, it's a fun watch even if I disagree on some points but that's life.
Making your main character a misogynist is not good character development, it's a good way of losing part of your fan base (the female side, and a healthy portion of the touchy-feely males who get pissed at crap like misogyny) and doing a story about a miscarriage will get even those males, who aren't touchy-feely, a little concerned about your sanity, because no one reads web comics to see truly tragic things happen to the characters in it. I'll be honest I've read CAD in the past and I thought it was quite uninteresting, which is why I never managed to read more than 2 of them.
All. Hail. Yahtzee. Thank you SO MUCH for this.
Unless they're discussing the games I'm actually able to play, I don't care for gamer comics.
OH- and I'm actually one of those cartoonists who DOES answer the cry of "Let's see YOU do better". Whether or not I have is up to you. [http://the-gil-monster.deviantart.com/gallery/#_browse/cartoons]
I was published way back when...
Unless they're discussing the games I'm actually able to play, I don't care for gamer comics.
OH- and I'm actually one of those cartoonists who DOES answer the cry of "Let's see YOU do better". Whether or not I have is up to you. [http://the-gil-monster.deviantart.com/gallery/#_browse/cartoons]
I was published way back when...
Here's something the world needs to learn- comic strips are just simply NOT a very engaging and compelling medium. CAD, PA, whatever webcomic are just Cathy or Dilbert or Garfield or whatever other shitty Sunday funnies except with a different mask on and pretentions of "counter-culture".
Complaining about how Puzzle Quest doesn't make any real world sense is exactly the same as complaining about how you buy too many dresses, how you hate mondays or how your boss hands out too many memos. They're all NON-ISSUES.
Think about it very bland and flatly for a second - where exactly are the JOKES or punchlines in these comics? Exactly, there aren't any (usually); they are criticisms disguised as jokes, but the real joke is that they are actually criticisms of the assholes that find them funny - the same people who find Puzzle Quest, shopping, mondays and memos funny. They point out how much of an idiot you are for worrying about such bullshit.
So don't think of Yahtzee's video as an attack on ONE comic strip, or even web comics, but think of it as th first step toward unmasking the horrible medium.
Complaining about how Puzzle Quest doesn't make any real world sense is exactly the same as complaining about how you buy too many dresses, how you hate mondays or how your boss hands out too many memos. They're all NON-ISSUES.
Think about it very bland and flatly for a second - where exactly are the JOKES or punchlines in these comics? Exactly, there aren't any (usually); they are criticisms disguised as jokes, but the real joke is that they are actually criticisms of the assholes that find them funny - the same people who find Puzzle Quest, shopping, mondays and memos funny. They point out how much of an idiot you are for worrying about such bullshit.
So don't think of Yahtzee's video as an attack on ONE comic strip, or even web comics, but think of it as th first step toward unmasking the horrible medium.
Dude, what is there to doubt? Your 'argument' has been nothing but the textual equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and yelling "I'M NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA!"David_Cat said:
If anything you've shown how mindless CAD fans are, that you would come to this forum and just say "nuh-uh" to every piece of CAD criticism that crops up. You've presented nothing edifying to convince anyone that your Tim is nothing but a talentless hack who can't take criticism (and apparently neither can his fans.)
Just give up.
The RoM Incident
Whilst CAD had been watching its reading on the failure-o-meter increase for several years, there remained one element about it that did not follow this pattern. Rantings of Madmen was the closest the CAD forums had to worthwhile content. It was an island in which the odd funny post could be found amongst a sea of emo kids, otaku, Tim's groupies, basement-dwelling nerds and furries.
On September the 11th, 2005, a post was made in RoM called "This thread contains a motherfucking forum revelation". The thread alleged what many had long suspected: Tim was a closet pedo, who had sent pictures of his shriveled and malformed cock to under-age forum members. Some lol'd, some refused to believe it, some maintained they knew it all along.
Suddenly, Tim found it, and like any sensible adult who was innocent of a wrongful claim put against him, threw a huge fucking hissy fit. He waded in, banhammer swinging left and right. Dozens of users who had posted in the thread, guilty of deflating his ego or not, were banned instantly and without mercy.
Tim proved his wit by posting lame banned macros and using stupid one liners. Notice the lack of laughs.
At this point several mods rebelled and unbanned all of the banned users, provoking a massive shitstorm in which RoM posters spammed the entire forum with guro and goatse images (Oh and week-old 4chan macros). Using IRC, all banned users and banned mods were unbanned just as fast as Tim could ban them and handle the spam problem. Eventually, he gave up, deleting the Rantings of Madmen section and eventually locking the entire forum for five days with the message "forums are down whilst we take out the trash". At the end of the battle 5000 users had been removed from the forum database, but the entire internet saw how much of a batshit insane ****** Tim was, marking a mass exodus of readers and the elimination of any respect he may have once had.
After it was all said and done, several weak faggots who had previously been sucking up to everyone in RoM decided to kiss Tim's ass instead, resulting in the modship of such faggots as Cyanide, Abbadon and Sidnaceous, and the introduction of a nazi police state on the CAD forums.
RoM moved on to its own forum, not having much more to do with anything, but occasionally emerging to laugh at whatever stupid bullshit Tim was up to at the time. Whether or not Tim actually DID show his penis is debated furiously to this day, but most agree he wouldn't have been such an over-reacting fuckwit if he was innocent.
Whilst CAD had been watching its reading on the failure-o-meter increase for several years, there remained one element about it that did not follow this pattern. Rantings of Madmen was the closest the CAD forums had to worthwhile content. It was an island in which the odd funny post could be found amongst a sea of emo kids, otaku, Tim's groupies, basement-dwelling nerds and furries.
On September the 11th, 2005, a post was made in RoM called "This thread contains a motherfucking forum revelation". The thread alleged what many had long suspected: Tim was a closet pedo, who had sent pictures of his shriveled and malformed cock to under-age forum members. Some lol'd, some refused to believe it, some maintained they knew it all along.
Suddenly, Tim found it, and like any sensible adult who was innocent of a wrongful claim put against him, threw a huge fucking hissy fit. He waded in, banhammer swinging left and right. Dozens of users who had posted in the thread, guilty of deflating his ego or not, were banned instantly and without mercy.
Tim proved his wit by posting lame banned macros and using stupid one liners. Notice the lack of laughs.
At this point several mods rebelled and unbanned all of the banned users, provoking a massive shitstorm in which RoM posters spammed the entire forum with guro and goatse images (Oh and week-old 4chan macros). Using IRC, all banned users and banned mods were unbanned just as fast as Tim could ban them and handle the spam problem. Eventually, he gave up, deleting the Rantings of Madmen section and eventually locking the entire forum for five days with the message "forums are down whilst we take out the trash". At the end of the battle 5000 users had been removed from the forum database, but the entire internet saw how much of a batshit insane ****** Tim was, marking a mass exodus of readers and the elimination of any respect he may have once had.
After it was all said and done, several weak faggots who had previously been sucking up to everyone in RoM decided to kiss Tim's ass instead, resulting in the modship of such faggots as Cyanide, Abbadon and Sidnaceous, and the introduction of a nazi police state on the CAD forums.
RoM moved on to its own forum, not having much more to do with anything, but occasionally emerging to laugh at whatever stupid bullshit Tim was up to at the time. Whether or not Tim actually DID show his penis is debated furiously to this day, but most agree he wouldn't have been such an over-reacting fuckwit if he was innocent.