Zero Punctuation: Webcomics

Melaisis

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Your Webcomic Sucks did it first (and Yahtzee builds on almost all of the prior points the guys at YWS made originally) but kudos for the beginning and ending songs, though.

However, I am wondering why there hasn't been a mainstream video release being reviewed in a while (aside from MGS4 - which was pointless as The Escapist did a review of it anyway on the Monday?); perhaps publishers are getting wary of ZP's tremendous critique.
 

SaneIntolerant

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edinflames said:
David_Cat said:
The Sound Defense said:
David_Cat said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
David_Cat said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
The Sound Defense said:
SaneIntolerant said:
David_Cat said:
Esure said:
David_Cat said:
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I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*
I doubt it. Tim is too mature

Wait; what?
Have you ever seen Tim attack Yahtzee?
I need to second this, as Yahtzee has indeed publicly announced his dislike of CAD in the past and I have yet to see Buckley retaliate.
This doesn't exactly make him mature. I think he wants to put on a facade of maturity in this way by not directly attacking his more popular detractors. But it's a well-known fact that anyone who criticizes his comic on his forums, even constructively, is lashed out at and often banned. He's not exactly mature.
Too right. Having a look at CAD over the years I kind of drew the conclusion that Buckley is anything but mature.
He just did a miscarriage storyline, and did it well. He is mature.
A single miscarriage storyline compared to years of jokes including Solid Snake attempting to have sex with Link from the Zelda series. Ah yes, very mature.
That doesn't make him immature.
And your single instance of mature behavior doesn't make him mature, especially when compared to years of acting like he does toward his detractors.
Can you blame him for acting like that? Most of his detractors think they are being so witty by calling him Fuckley.
Apologies to the mods in advance, but this guy is pissing me off with his retardation.


STFU YOU LIKE A SHITTY WEBCOMIC, FACE THE MOTHERF*CKING TRUTH AND GET THE HELL OFF THIS THREAD.

just because YOU like it, doesnt mean it isn't SHIT.
If someone said the exact same thing about ZP, you'd deny it until the end of days, I'm sure.
 

jeo suprima

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oww gosh, yatzhee you old meanie! now everybody knows that the truth can be the biggest insult!
keep up the good work!
 

jeo suprima

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SaneIntolerant said:
edinflames said:
David_Cat said:
The Sound Defense said:
David_Cat said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
David_Cat said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
The Sound Defense said:
SaneIntolerant said:
David_Cat said:
Esure said:
David_Cat said:
Hypersapien said:
I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*
I doubt it. Tim is too mature

Wait; what?
Have you ever seen Tim attack Yahtzee?
I need to second this, as Yahtzee has indeed publicly announced his dislike of CAD in the past and I have yet to see Buckley retaliate.
This doesn't exactly make him mature. I think he wants to put on a facade of maturity in this way by not directly attacking his more popular detractors. But it's a well-known fact that anyone who criticizes his comic on his forums, even constructively, is lashed out at and often banned. He's not exactly mature.
Too right. Having a look at CAD over the years I kind of drew the conclusion that Buckley is anything but mature.
He just did a miscarriage storyline, and did it well. He is mature.
A single miscarriage storyline compared to years of jokes including Solid Snake attempting to have sex with Link from the Zelda series. Ah yes, very mature.
That doesn't make him immature.
And your single instance of mature behavior doesn't make him mature, especially when compared to years of acting like he does toward his detractors.
Can you blame him for acting like that? Most of his detractors think they are being so witty by calling him Fuckley.
Apologies to the mods in advance, but this guy is pissing me off with his retardation.


STFU YOU LIKE A SHITTY WEBCOMIC, FACE THE MOTHERF*CKING TRUTH AND GET THE HELL OFF THIS THREAD.

just because YOU like it, doesnt mean it isn't SHIT.
If someone said the exact same thing about ZP, you'd deny it until the end of days, I'm sure.
touché
 

Hamster at Dawn

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Awesome, nice to see something a bit different from the usual game review. I noticed a lot of what was said applies heavily to Yahtzee's own webcomic.
 

Kkat

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I don't read Penny Arcade, and I've never even seen CAD. That said...

I thought this was a funny and very pointed effort by Yahtzee which absolutely managed to hit the mark. And I say that as one of those very same webcomic writers he so accurately lampooned.

Okay, so my webcomic wasn't about gaming, and there was never any desire or expectation of making money off of it, but otherwise he was so spot on that my eyes widened with horror, shame and wonderful mirth as I listened to him. Obnoxious main character who is a fantasy self-insertion? Check. Straight man? Check. The girl? Check. Relationship between main character and the girl? oh god. Horrible art, questionable humor and strips dedicated to mocking those who mock me? Please allow me to crawl into this little hole and whimper. (In my own meager defense, I can only say that I stopped writing the thing a year ago.)

Thank you, Yahtzee. Now, what flavor of porridge should I go with?

--Kkat
 

MisterStaypuft

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Humor's a sensitive subject because it's subjective and what you find funny I might not find funny. That being said, a good joke has form and content, and CAD can be criticized on form. Yahtzee, in some interview or another, made this point by comparing CAD's and PA's strips about puzzle quest: Penny Arcade's is a classic "beat, beat, punch" format, while CAD front-loads the entire premise then sort of withers. Pointing this out is constructive criticism: in this case mr. buckley's eye for a good joke was right on, but his execution needed work. He's got a good joke with wider appeal if he just re-arranges things.

Buckley's success proves his sense of humor resonates but that doesn't mean he's beyond criticism. And he has earned a reputation for dismissing or lashing out against detractors. It may be he's changed, in which case given time he'll stop reaping the karmic rewards for past drama. Admittedly writing CAD must be harder than writing PA: he's flying solo (and anyone who's listened to the PA podcasts can tell you how quick ideas seem to come together with two maniacs working together), and he's got continuity to worry about which means he has to handle every corner he writes himself into on-the-fly.

I like quite a few webcomics. I never miss a PA, a Schlock Mercenary, an XKCD, or a YAFGC. That said, I'm not afraid to say so when PA is waning in teh funny department. Sometimes it gets into a real slump. I feel like they were in a mild one recently until the ping pong thing started. But if you're an RPG geek and you don't like "The Skills," http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/12/10/ then it's fair to say I don't understand your sense of humor.
 

Zekko5

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jeo suprima said:
oww gosh, yatzhee you old meanie! now everybody knows that the truth can be the biggest insult!
keep up the good work!
I second that statement. Penny Arcade has its own game? Seriously, wtf?

Also, excellently fitting music selection, as always =D
 

TheFunkeyGibbon

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It just hurts ZP to keep distracting from game reviewing like this, though. Sooner or later we'll have a video equivalent of Catsby and Twisp or Chef Brian or whatever abysmal non-sequitur nonsense web authors who lack appropriate editors churn out when they've scraped straight through the bottom of the barrel.
And here we have the nub of the problem. If you stray to far from your format you are going to lose fans. If you stand still you run the risk of getting stale. Unless you are Radiohead in which case people seem to excuse you for going nuts (Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief)and welcome you back when you have something worth listening to again.

Is Yahtzee Thom York? Or is he Francis Rossi, running the same few chords over and over and over?
 

Aidanadv

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I am, and always will be amused and amazed at all the trivial arguments that go on in the internet in forums and message boards.

As for the review, I agree pretty much with what he said about web comics. The only one I still occasionally enjoy is VGcats, and even then it is still pretty hit and miss.

Also, whats all this about Buckley sending pics of his wang to little girls?
 

fco

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McChiken said:
If only he could review movies. (Mind wanders off into the laugh fest that will sadly never be.)
Actually he has, only not on video form, and not preciselly from the biggest blockbusters:
http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/reviews/
 

OurGloriousLeader

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TheFunkeyGibbon said:
Arbitrary13 said:
It just hurts ZP to keep distracting from game reviewing like this, though. Sooner or later we'll have a video equivalent of Catsby and Twisp or Chef Brian or whatever abysmal non-sequitur nonsense web authors who lack appropriate editors churn out when they've scraped straight through the bottom of the barrel.
And here we have the nub of the problem. If you stray to far from your format you are going to lose fans. If you stand still you run the risk of getting stale. Unless you are Radiohead in which case people seem to excuse you for going nuts (Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief)and welcome you back when you have something worth listening to again.

Is Yahtzee Thom York? Or is he Francis Rossi, running the same few chords over and over and over?
What the hell is wrong with Radiohead? I like how you use Kid A, Amnesiac and Hail to the Thief as examples - since these are 3 Radiohead albums that have equally reinvented the band and made them progress. Go and listen to Coldplay, I hear they do the same album over and over again.
 

David_Cat

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OurGloriousLeader said:
TheFunkeyGibbon said:
Arbitrary13 said:
It just hurts ZP to keep distracting from game reviewing like this, though. Sooner or later we'll have a video equivalent of Catsby and Twisp or Chef Brian or whatever abysmal non-sequitur nonsense web authors who lack appropriate editors churn out when they've scraped straight through the bottom of the barrel.
And here we have the nub of the problem. If you stray to far from your format you are going to lose fans. If you stand still you run the risk of getting stale. Unless you are Radiohead in which case people seem to excuse you for going nuts (Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief)and welcome you back when you have something worth listening to again.

Is Yahtzee Thom York? Or is he Francis Rossi, running the same few chords over and over and over?
What the hell is wrong with Radiohead? I like how you use Kid A, Amnesiac and Hail to the Thief as examples - since these are 3 Radiohead albums that have equally reinvented the band and made them progress. Go and listen to Coldplay, I hear they do the same album over and over again.
Or McFly, who rape good songs to death.
 

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I have never been a follower of CAD and by the looks of it never will be. Most subject matter is fair game on the internet, it may be my vagina talking, but miscarriage for a gaming comic that is not only done with an audience in mind that obviously can't get the "joke" as it is explained to death every step of the way, but it to be used by an obvious virgin with as little life experience as a man fond of dog milk, not to mention as little influence on the gaming world as dog milk! It is just arrogant to the point of obscene. To think it is OK because he does it? What a Johnson! Nice change from reviewing and a very good point! :)
 

McChiken

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fco said:
McChiken said:
If only he could review movies. (Mind wanders off into the laugh fest that will sadly never be.)
Actually he has, only not on video form, and not preciselly from the biggest blockbusters:
http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/reviews/
Thanks!
 

TheFunkeyGibbon

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OurGloriousLeader said:
What the hell is wrong with Radiohead? I like how you use Kid A, Amnesiac and Hail to the Thief as examples - since these are 3 Radiohead albums that have equally reinvented the band and made them progress.
*sigh* There's nothing wrong with Radiohead - the example was that despite making massive experimental changes to their sound during the 3 albums I mentioned they retained their fan base and came back with a well received commercial success too with In Rainbows. I am a huge Raidohead fan and have all their albums so before you get too uppity about it I wasn't being nasty about them but actually marvelling at their ability to stay popular no matter what. If Yahtzee can manage that then it's a neat trick but a hugely difficult one to pull off.

OurGloriousLeader said:
Go and listen to Coldplay, I hear they do the same album over and over again.
"I hear they do..." so you've not listened to them then? Not particularly objective is it? ;)

Mayebe I'm wrong, maybe Yahtzee should do a ZP on how nobody seems to actually READ the posts they are replying to when using forums....