Zero Punctuation: Webcomics
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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Anyone happen to stumble across this gem on the interwebs? I know it's horribly wrong, but it makes me smirk every time I see it. It's that last panel that gets me.
http://www.eegra.com/show/sub/do/browse/cat/comics/id/36
I enjoy CAD though, and while I don't much care for the miscarriage storyline, it's not going to stop me from reading it. I also enjoyed ZP's little jab at CAD. It is possible to enjoy both. As for Buckley being a prick, I have no idea. I only pop on when the comic updates to read it, I don't venture anywhere else on the site.
http://www.eegra.com/show/sub/do/browse/cat/comics/id/36
I enjoy CAD though, and while I don't much care for the miscarriage storyline, it's not going to stop me from reading it. I also enjoyed ZP's little jab at CAD. It is possible to enjoy both. As for Buckley being a prick, I have no idea. I only pop on when the comic updates to read it, I don't venture anywhere else on the site.
Trust me, I understand the hope. I would LOVE if people suddenly came out of whatever haze they're in and decided that it would be okay to start producing works of quality and integrity. The problem is that producing something with any redeeming factors is going to be difficult, and people shy away from hard work like nerds at a con shy from soap...And don't tell me that's not accurate, I could TASTE THE GODDAMN AIR! IT WAS LI...uh, sorry, little bit off topic there.KneeLord said:
As for the elitist wankfodder, you live with it. I'd rather have a bunch of people with superiority complexes bitching which good things is the best than the current run of idiots with poor standards. At least the arguments might get a tad better.
Look, there is a very simple way to resolve the CAD issue:
Those who like it, read it.
Those who think it has Jumped the Shark, move on.
Those who never liked it, GET A FUCKING LIFE! Seriously, what the hell? You don't like CAD, yet you'll happily give up hours of your life reading it so you have something to slag off? I hate Football games. I don't buy one so I can endlessly play it and scream "OMFG DIS IZ TEH GAY!!!", I just don't buy it!
You are not paying for CAD. As you are not paying for CAD, you don't get a fucking say in what goes into it. Read it, or piss off. Don't act like it owes you anything.
For the record, I like CAD. I liked it before the miscarriage story, and I still like it. I found out I was going to be a father in December (unplanned; the condom failed). Miscarriage happened a few months later. I've been through this, so I think I have more right than any bitchy little pre-pubescent X-Box gamer to say whether the miscarriage plot is out of order or not. It wasn't.
Those who like it, read it.
Those who think it has Jumped the Shark, move on.
Those who never liked it, GET A FUCKING LIFE! Seriously, what the hell? You don't like CAD, yet you'll happily give up hours of your life reading it so you have something to slag off? I hate Football games. I don't buy one so I can endlessly play it and scream "OMFG DIS IZ TEH GAY!!!", I just don't buy it!
You are not paying for CAD. As you are not paying for CAD, you don't get a fucking say in what goes into it. Read it, or piss off. Don't act like it owes you anything.
For the record, I like CAD. I liked it before the miscarriage story, and I still like it. I found out I was going to be a father in December (unplanned; the condom failed). Miscarriage happened a few months later. I've been through this, so I think I have more right than any bitchy little pre-pubescent X-Box gamer to say whether the miscarriage plot is out of order or not. It wasn't.
Well, first, I'd say it takes an hour or two max to read through the archives. That said, I love your logic. It doesn't try to adress the merits of the comic OR the flaws, it gets right to the heart of the matter, the fact that people don't like it but since it's free who cares?Wargamer said:
Had you paid attention to the posts above you, you might have some insight as to why people care. I don't need to read every single comic to know it's bad, despite the fact I'm introduced to each one as they come out. Yay for some friends being fans.
The football game thing isn't even on base. It's neither free nor is it within the scope of your interests. If I like football games and the madden ones cheese me off because they seem to lack innovation, I have every right to be annoyed that they're dragging down the incentive of other games to do new and interesting things.
The same applies for CAD. I love comics and firmly believe that the web should have been a way for ameteurs to get their work noticed. A kind of springboard into professional work. Instead, it's turned into one giant wankfest with no talent hacks like B^UCKLEY and Mooky leading the pack. They're lowering the standards of everyone else. Why make a realistic story filled with real human emotion and three dimensional characters when I can get everything I need from "Lol ecksbawks!" Behold my gripe with CAD and every other crap comic out there.
Honestly though, I can't really argue with you. You're not bright enough to even attempt an argument. You go for ad homenem attacks immediately and can't even be bothered to use a parallel that makes even a lick of sense. TRULY YOU ARE A GOD AMONG DEBATERS!
...A, master debater, if you will.
Ha ha, wanker.
Feel my pain! Also, I saw this one guy...He was square. I swear to god, he had corners and everything. He looked like a walking couch pillow. I thought he was a wall till he started moving. Fuckin' scared me man.KneeLord said:Tempdude0: Agreed... and jesus, you're giving me olfactory flashbacks man! Yeesh
Brilliant, I haven't even looked at CAD in some time so i didn't know about the abortion storyline, what a joke, awful awful stuff. Dont get me wrong im no big fan of any webcomic, but CAD is the lowest of the low.
seems I'm the only one who found this one to be pretty low.
I feel like one of these hiphop fans probably do when one of their favourite stars bashes another. It seems more like kindergarten to me and is pretty weak. Also, it's pretty ironic that Yahtzee attacks CAD for having something in the comic that's not related to gaming while he supposedly reviews games and intermittently does something completely unrelated, too.
Please get back to reviewing games, two reviews in the last four weeks... meh.
I feel like one of these hiphop fans probably do when one of their favourite stars bashes another. It seems more like kindergarten to me and is pretty weak. Also, it's pretty ironic that Yahtzee attacks CAD for having something in the comic that's not related to gaming while he supposedly reviews games and intermittently does something completely unrelated, too.
Please get back to reviewing games, two reviews in the last four weeks... meh.
Listen, regardless of your personal opinions, at least try to get what he was saying correct. It wasn't that he was including drama in a "joke a day" comic, it was that he did it badly, used a poor subject in bad taste, and then shifted right back into the "joke a day" format.matches81 said:
Take a look at some of the longer posts. They go into this in greater detail and should clear up any misconceptions you have about what he was saying.
A few thoughts:
1) This weeks ZP is one of the worst of the bunch. All ZPs walk a very fine line between funny and rant and for the most part Yahtzee keeps it on the funny side, or if it slides into rant mode it still has some good laughs. This one however didn't, it went into rant mode early and never really let up, while some good points were raised about the limited character variety of webcomics (something I'd like to point out CAD addressed in its first four strips) after it became obvious he was talking about CAD the train went careening off the rails and the funny went with it. What makes ZP great is that Yahtzee can make a point while still being really funny (like any good satirist), here he pushed the point too much and lost the humor.
2) I read CAD somewhat regularly and for the most part its pretty good. I don't really care is Buckley is an ass (or showed his penis to a 14 year old, a claim I seriously doubt) because if I get something out of his (or any) comic I'll keep reading. His CYOA thing was great, it felt original, it was funny and it gave the readers input on how the comic went, whats not to like? Obviously there are some problems with CAD, the faces being one of the most obvious but I don't understand all the hatred it seems to provoke.
On the whole miscarriage storyline it surprised me, obviously the question of how CAD was going to deal with a little baby running around was out there but I didn't expect the miscarriage thing. Overall I thought the storyline was ill advised (although in light of his miscarriage experience somewhat understandable), because even though Buckley has gone in the direction of storyline (as he notes here [http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20030509]) he still does the funny gaming comic style more often then not and even the storyline strips are generally humorous. That said he handled the series surprisingly well and it did give more depth to Ethan who for the most part was still just there for his antics, the comic where he puts away the mini Xbox360 controller (here [http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20080613]) was really good and surprisingly powerful. On the supposedly misogynistic storyline I thought that was one of the best ones he did, it was so dead on. How many of you wouldn't take your friends excuse to force him to go on a date with a really unattractive girl? The scene in the restaurant is so accurate, in that situation I'm sure most guys would be doing just like Lucas and probably thinking very similar things too.
3) For those of you who haven't read it Yahtzee's own "Yahtzee Takes on the World" is one of the funniest webcomics I've ever read so I suggest you go out and read it.
4) A quick plug for one of my favorite webcomics, Dresden Codak [http://dresdencodak.com/index.html]. The artwork is beautiful and the comic manages to do both serious and funny relatively well.
1) This weeks ZP is one of the worst of the bunch. All ZPs walk a very fine line between funny and rant and for the most part Yahtzee keeps it on the funny side, or if it slides into rant mode it still has some good laughs. This one however didn't, it went into rant mode early and never really let up, while some good points were raised about the limited character variety of webcomics (something I'd like to point out CAD addressed in its first four strips) after it became obvious he was talking about CAD the train went careening off the rails and the funny went with it. What makes ZP great is that Yahtzee can make a point while still being really funny (like any good satirist), here he pushed the point too much and lost the humor.
2) I read CAD somewhat regularly and for the most part its pretty good. I don't really care is Buckley is an ass (or showed his penis to a 14 year old, a claim I seriously doubt) because if I get something out of his (or any) comic I'll keep reading. His CYOA thing was great, it felt original, it was funny and it gave the readers input on how the comic went, whats not to like? Obviously there are some problems with CAD, the faces being one of the most obvious but I don't understand all the hatred it seems to provoke.
Exhibit Athebrink said:
On the whole miscarriage storyline it surprised me, obviously the question of how CAD was going to deal with a little baby running around was out there but I didn't expect the miscarriage thing. Overall I thought the storyline was ill advised (although in light of his miscarriage experience somewhat understandable), because even though Buckley has gone in the direction of storyline (as he notes here [http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20030509]) he still does the funny gaming comic style more often then not and even the storyline strips are generally humorous. That said he handled the series surprisingly well and it did give more depth to Ethan who for the most part was still just there for his antics, the comic where he puts away the mini Xbox360 controller (here [http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20080613]) was really good and surprisingly powerful. On the supposedly misogynistic storyline I thought that was one of the best ones he did, it was so dead on. How many of you wouldn't take your friends excuse to force him to go on a date with a really unattractive girl? The scene in the restaurant is so accurate, in that situation I'm sure most guys would be doing just like Lucas and probably thinking very similar things too.
3) For those of you who haven't read it Yahtzee's own "Yahtzee Takes on the World" is one of the funniest webcomics I've ever read so I suggest you go out and read it.
4) A quick plug for one of my favorite webcomics, Dresden Codak [http://dresdencodak.com/index.html]. The artwork is beautiful and the comic manages to do both serious and funny relatively well.
No worries, all good mate, you just lack a functioning irony gland.KrabbiPatty said:
Which is ironic btw, compounding the disappointment I am sure you feel.
Good news is, it's not incurable unless you have American genes and have at least one Republican voter in your immediate family.
1) That's your opinion and to be frank, I really can't refute it. I still chuckled, but I'll admit there was "overt ranting". I happen to hold a particular bonfire of hate for CAD and its creator so I could overlook that aspect.fierydemise said:
2) Glad you enjoy it. That said, read some of the longer posts a few pages back. They clearly explain why people don't like it. Hell, you don't even have to look at mine. I think it was Evilduck who did another of the longer explanations. Any of them that go into detail should give you an understanding of our gripes with it.
As for the fuckwit, he's not indicative of the rest of us. While I can't fathom why some people find humor in CAD, I'm not going to call them a douche just for their enjoyment of it. I will, however, speak up if they go beyond the "I like it." line to the "It's well done." line, because it really isn't. Once again, look back and you'll see why. I really don't want to re-type shit over and over like in the MGS thread.
The Lucas thing gets to me though. If you have no interest in a woman, why date her? Yeah, I'd be thinking the same thing as him in the restaurant at least because I firmly believe no woman should be larger than I am unless it's hight-wise. As a 6' 1" 238 lb. dude, I think that's a fair rule. Back to the first point though, from there on he acts like a ass. OH, you're actually attractive. Guess I'll re-evaluate...Some guys may do that, but it makes them shallow dicks.
4) I'm legally prohibited from talking about Dresden Codak...Lets leave it at that.
All and all, it's refreshing to see an attempt at a more put together argument in favor CAD. I wish you had looked back through some of the relevant posts so you could refine it, but a gold star for going the extra mile and not being an asshat like most of the others defending your viewpoint.
Oh, HEY! Cegorach, I resent that! My proud American blood practically survives on little other than irony, sarcasm, and the pain of others.
Also, is it a little odd that that guy takes the time to refer to a girlfriend and a working pair of genitals? I mean, I know plenty of jaggoffs who have both and intelligent people who have neither, metaphorically speaking...Then again, it's normally the impotent dorks who never got over high school that go on about things like that, so the irony here just fucking SOARS to a whole new level.
I'm so totally pro-SKUB.Arntor said:
Oh, and the existentialist flamechild who didn't get what I was saying don't worry, once you're out of diapers the reading comprehension and social relevance will sting like a bee-atch.
I'm just somewhat perplexed by why Yahtzee choose to do this - Admittly, there are few new games good presently, but this seems to be random bolt from the blue, thin valed at CAD, although I imagine a few other comics were hit in it too.
Don't get me wrong, I laughed and found Yahtzee funny and mostly right, but it does seem like a foamly mouthed personal attack on CAD in places. I mean, everyone knew Yahtzee doesn't like CAD, I'm just surprised to see a whole video attack on it.
Anywho, its his opinion, fair enough, but the forum is desparatingly bad -
Don't get me wrong, I laughed and found Yahtzee funny and mostly right, but it does seem like a foamly mouthed personal attack on CAD in places. I mean, everyone knew Yahtzee doesn't like CAD, I'm just surprised to see a whole video attack on it.
Anywho, its his opinion, fair enough, but the forum is desparatingly bad -
That seems to be the prevailing attitude here - 'If you think something other than us, you are wrong and stupid' - To be frank, that is what annoys me greatly, this idea that people shouldn't be free to find funny what they find funny. I don't find half the stuff on TV funny - Peep show, the Mightly Bush, the Office - but I'm not going to stand up and shout 'IF YOU LIKE THE OFFICE, YOUR A FUCKWIT'. People should be allowed to laugh at whatever they find amusing, so long as it doesn't a) hurt someone else, or b) they try and force people to watch and/or stop TV/{media in general} companies from making nothing but show X.thebrink said:
What can I say?
The fact that I appear to be missing all the jokes in this one almost makes me think twice about the general fleeing I engage in when any form of creative activity has so much as a sniff of video game humor or culture about it.
But not quite. I just don't think I could put myself through anything that terrible, even if it would be in the spirit of zero punctuation appreciation...
The fact that I appear to be missing all the jokes in this one almost makes me think twice about the general fleeing I engage in when any form of creative activity has so much as a sniff of video game humor or culture about it.
But not quite. I just don't think I could put myself through anything that terrible, even if it would be in the spirit of zero punctuation appreciation...