Zetas Cartel Frees Kidnap Victim Following Anonymous Threats

[Gralian]

"I don't speak for anonymous the same way you don't -- we are two individuals," tweeted an Anon who goes by the name Sabu. "Those who want to work on the op can, and will."

Sabu?

As in, leader of LulzSec Sabu?

Unsurprising if it is; LulzSec were ex-Anonymous members, after all, and they were still working closely together during LulzSec's little reign of terror a while back. He was still a key player in AnonOps; it'd only make sense for him to weigh in on OpCartel too, since it was likely heavily discussed in AnonOps' IRC.

Even so, "watch this space" definitely applies - i'm going to be interested to see if any more comes of this.

 

[Fappy]

This story has proved to me that Anon is incapable of dealing with serious situations as one big anonymous unit (you know, like they are supposed to) when the chips are down. They should stop making the situation worse and leave this kind of stuff to the people who are being paid to do it.

Go back to DDoSing websites and turning in small time pedos. At least your not endangering people's lives that way.

Because Mexico is totally going to deal with those drug cartels themselves. Aaaany day now. Anonymous may be careless, but I can't fault what they're doing here. Standing up to murderous criminals is a good thing. You think nobody's going to get hurt if they just leave them alone?

While its true the Mexican Authorities are next to useless in this situation it's quite clear that Anon does not have the capacity or the understanding to do anything about it. What makes a situation worse? Listening to the bank robbers to ensure they take the money without hurting anyone or piss them off by failing to disarm one, getting yourself shot and possibly endangering everyone around you? This isn't some church scam or greedy software company, these guys are professional butchers and Anon needs to realize that this shit isn't a joke.

 

[Laxman9292]

This story has proved to me that Anon is incapable of dealing with serious situations as one big anonymous unit (you know, like they are supposed to) when the chips are down. They should stop making the situation worse and leave this kind of stuff to the people who are being paid to do it.

Go back to DDoSing websites and turning in small time pedos. At least your not endangering people's lives that way.

No this is the perfect proof that the concept works. They aren't one anonymous unit. Through Anonymous the Op is introduced and members can join or not as they see fit, and the collective can deny it is their operation. Since there is no hierarchy really that means that members have no real way to force other members to comply. It's the perfect case of plausible deniability.

 

[Laxman9292]

This story has proved to me that Anon is incapable of dealing with serious situations as one big anonymous unit (you know, like they are supposed to) when the chips are down. They should stop making the situation worse and leave this kind of stuff to the people who are being paid to do it.

Go back to DDoSing websites and turning in small time pedos. At least your not endangering people's lives that way.

Because Mexico is totally going to deal with those drug cartels themselves. Aaaany day now. Anonymous may be careless, but I can't fault what they're doing here. Standing up to murderous criminals is a good thing. You think nobody's going to get hurt if they just leave them alone?

While its true the Mexican Authorities are next to useless in this situation it's quite clear that Anon does not have the capacity or the understanding to do anything about it. What makes a situation worse? Listening to the bank robbers to ensure they take the money without hurting anyone or piss them off by failing to disarm one, getting yourself shot and possibly endangering everyone around you? This isn't some church scam or greedy software company, these guys are professional butchers and Anon needs to realize that this shit isn't a joke.

They aren't taking it as a joke and neither is the cartel. Information is power and by putting the identities of cartel members and the like can seriously impact the cartel's operations. And who's to say that once they get their money they'll let people go unharmed? Remember these are professional butchers and they are letting someone go who could potentially have information on them to give to the authorities when they are released. Once they have the money what's to stop them from killing the hostage anyways? Or demanding more money? I think this may actually be a better way to deal with it than that. It is a threat that Anonymous can fully carry out and therefore forces the cartel to take them seriously and weigh whether the hostage is worth more to them than the possibility of having your information leaked.

Captcha: Now how the hell am I supposed to type an omega?!

 

[Laxman9292]

While Anon may very well find themselves outmatched here, I have no qualms about pointing at the more vocal ones still going for the cartels and complimenting the size of their testicular fortitude. Secondly... I actually support this. Piss off the cartels as much and as hard as you possibly can. Provoke them into horrific violence.

It'll happen anyway, after all. The Cartels will never just stop being violent and generally horrible organizations, but at the moment it certainly seems like they're not a bloody priority. Provoke them. Hit them as hard and as often as you can, Anon. It'll cause a lot of innocent deaths, certainly... but that will in turn prove that the Cartels need to be decisively dealt with and -real- professionals can take over.

If the Cartels start killing significant enough numbers in the US and Europe, there'll be no choice left but for the major players in the world to come down on them like a ton of bricks. In the end, the Cartels -will- lose and when they do, the violence they are capable of committing will be far less than the current situation.

In short... yes, a lot of innocent deaths short-term... a lot less death and violence long-term.

Hit them hard, Anon. I'll drink to you once your corpse is on the news, then I'll drink to the real professionals who'll take up where you left off.

Well I mean, that is the hope, right?

But here you're dealing with an organization that operates outside of any bounds of law. Their structure necessarily must be fortified and names/aliases disguised fairly well, or else they wouldn't be this powerful.

I think that you're right, eventually the Cartel would lose; you pointed out, though, that there will be a high cost in lives. It's morally debatable whether you should go around spending innocent lives like that, even if it would save more lives in the long run, which is just a prediction.

In the short term, Mexico, and innocent civilans lose; in the long term, the Cartel loses and international policing agencies win.

There are two options for powerful international agencies: intervene now, or wait and see what happens. Both ways have high costs, though. I wonder how much influence the Zetas already have inside the Government and Army? Probably a lot.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, just thinking out loud. There is a lot to consider in terms of costs: money, weapons, power, international security, lives.

I really don't think any Anons should get involved. When there is a very real threat of being tracked down and having 10 people murdered on your behalf because of shit you post online... better to leave that to people who know what the hell they're getting into and have the resources to deal with the consequences.

I really hope nobody other than official agencies have anything to do with the Zetas from here on out. Too many innocent lives lost already.

They'll hate you for it, but that's the point of Anon, they can be the outcasts. They can make the choice that no one else can make, the right choice.

But really, I do support Anon in this. No one has been hurt and their threats of compromising the cartels members actually carries weight, unlike some half-assed effort by corrupt Mexican police.

 

[Fappy]

This story has proved to me that Anon is incapable of dealing with serious situations as one big anonymous unit (you know, like they are supposed to) when the chips are down. They should stop making the situation worse and leave this kind of stuff to the people who are being paid to do it.

Go back to DDoSing websites and turning in small time pedos. At least your not endangering people's lives that way.

Because Mexico is totally going to deal with those drug cartels themselves. Aaaany day now. Anonymous may be careless, but I can't fault what they're doing here. Standing up to murderous criminals is a good thing. You think nobody's going to get hurt if they just leave them alone?

While its true the Mexican Authorities are next to useless in this situation it's quite clear that Anon does not have the capacity or the understanding to do anything about it. What makes a situation worse? Listening to the bank robbers to ensure they take the money without hurting anyone or piss them off by failing to disarm one, getting yourself shot and possibly endangering everyone around you? This isn't some church scam or greedy software company, these guys are professional butchers and Anon needs to realize that this shit isn't a joke.

They aren't taking it as a joke and neither is the cartel. Information is power and by putting the identities of cartel members and the like can seriously impact the cartel's operations. And who's to say that once they get their money they'll let people go unharmed? Remember these are professional butchers and they are letting someone go who could potentially have information on them to give to the authorities when they are released. Once they have the money what's to stop them from killing the hostage anyways? Or demanding more money? I think this may actually be a better way to deal with it than that. It is a threat that Anonymous can fully carry out and therefore forces the cartel to take them seriously and weigh whether the hostage is worth more to them than the possibility of having your information leaked.

Captcha: Now how the hell am I supposed to type an omega?!

If they have legitimate information that could compromise the cartel's operations then they should be forwarding such information to the authorities (my first choice would probably be the CIA). They should haven never publicly mentioned that they even had intel on the cartel. Anon lacks the structure and experience that is necessary to deal with a hostage situation.

I am not faulting them for trying to help, nor for gathering the information that they allegedly collected. I am criticizing their bravado and their method of doing what they did.

 

[Daverson]

If they do have these names, they should release them to the relevant authorities. Sitting on information like that will cost innocent people their lives.

Release it to who? There is a great deal of corruption in Mexico. Sending a list of names to someone in a position to do something about it could very well just be giving information about the cartel...to the cartel.

Several options seem viable:
1. Release it online. This unfortunately lets the Cartel know the information has been released and allows them to take appropriate action. Of course, if they know anonymous has the information, they probably already have.
2. Send it a domestic agency that would have the necessary contacts in Mexico. The Cartel might have inside men in the Mexican police, but they won't have many in, say, the CIA.
3. Send it to a sufficiently high ranking Mexican official, such that corruption wouldn't be an issue.

 

[easternflame]

Shit, that's though. One thing is fighting organizations the work legally and other fighting one that doesn't. Good thing i dont live in that part of mexico.

Good thing? You live in sonora? That's the one of the most fucked up part of the country. Funny how I live in the safest and it's still a shithole!

 

[easternflame]

This story has proved to me that Anon is incapable of dealing with serious situations as one big anonymous unit (you know, like they are supposed to) when the chips are down. They should stop making the situation worse and leave this kind of stuff to the people who are being paid to do it.

Go back to DDoSing websites and turning in small time pedos. At least your not endangering people's lives that way.

Because Mexico is totally going to deal with those drug cartels themselves. Aaaany day now. Anonymous may be careless, but I can't fault what they're doing here. Standing up to murderous criminals is a good thing. You think nobody's going to get hurt if they just leave them alone?

It's true in a way. You see mexicans would love to get rid of the problem, but we can't kill or prosecute all our policemen, judges, supreme court, senators, politicians, army, navy. So yeah, cleansing the problem isn't as easy as just "taking care of the problem"

 

[esperandote]

Shit, that's though. One thing is fighting organizations the work legally and other fighting one that doesn't. Good thing i dont live in that part of mexico.

Good thing? You live in sonora? That's the one of the most fucked up part of the country. Funny how I live in the safest and it's still a shithole!

Nogales and all the border is pretty messed up but Obregon isn't that bad. La familia isn't here, neither are los Zetas.

On Second thought, there have been some murders around here and Navojoa.

 

[FogHornG36]

HERP DERP, I HOPE ANONS DIE! THE HACKED SONY! SO THEY SHOULD GET WHAT IS COMING TO THEM DERP!

OT- ya, so, a lot of you guys have a really poor view on human worth, and take the view of whats happening to all those people in Mexico way to casually.

Yes, it would be nice if there was some way to fight the cartel, but in reality, there is no body, no head, not army, or battle to fight with another army, they are just a bunch of criminals, and terrorists, and if anon can figure a way to hurt them, even weaken them, keep them off the internet even... more power to them, atleast someones trying.

One last thing, worlds drug users, your money funds the cartels.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

You know, this just proves that if Anon was smart and organized, they could do some pretty serious shit.

Now we just have to wait until that happens...

 

[easternflame]

Lol. Mexican drug cartels...who have computer hackers....funniest bullshit I have ever read.

You are a fucking disgrace!! You ignorant idiot! Of course they have specialists, they have BETTER TECNOLOGY than the mexican government, you have no idea, the shut the fuck up

umadbro?

also: herp derp derp. derp derp.

followed by: do you have any understanding that the level of education in Mexico is vastly below most of the rest of the world? no, you don't. because you are probably a Zeta or the relative of one. or some other banger.

The only one who is showing a complete lack of education is you. Mexico is incredibly unbalanced, those who have, have a shitton, those who don´t have nothing. Public education is terrible, private education is best. You have no idea what you are talking about and quite frankly, if you want to troll, do it right. You're racism towards mexicans is disgusting, not every mexican is a criminal or an immigrant. I hope the mods deal with you.

 

[magnuslion]

Lol. Mexican drug cartels...who have computer hackers....funniest bullshit I have ever read.

You are a fucking disgrace!! You ignorant idiot! Of course they have specialists, they have BETTER TECNOLOGY than the mexican government, you have no idea, the shut the fuck up

umadbro?

also: herp derp derp. derp derp.

followed by: do you have any understanding that the level of education in Mexico is vastly below most of the rest of the world? no, you don't. because you are probably a Zeta or the relative of one. or some other banger.

The only one who is showing a complete lack of education is you. Mexico is incredibly unbalanced, those who have, have a shitton, those who don´t have nothing. Public education is terrible, private education is best. You have no idea what you are talking about and quite frankly, if you want to troll, do it right. You're racism towards mexicans is disgusting, not every mexican is a criminal or an immigrant. I hope the mods deal with you.

Obvious strawman is obvious. when the fuck did I say anything "Racist" about mexicans, or anyone for that matter? I did not. You were retardedly hostile from post 1. You obviously either have a personal involvement in this issue, or you are a colossal dick. either way, you should pay attention to things before you make accusations. Like for example, my avatar. That is actually me. notice anything? Like maybe the STAR OF DAVID on my right shoulder? because we Jews, we are notoriously racist. especially against Latinos. Can you feel the sarcasm, cabron? Did I mention my dozens of friends in Mexico?
Nope.jpg because your first words to me, based on me making a sarcastic comment, that I am told by my friends Rafael and Miguel ((They are brothers, Monetenegro)) is factually accurate, a total bluff on the part of Zetas, was "You are a disgrace! ((To what, precisely?)) You Ignorant Idiot! ((My Grades, knowledge, and extensive travel disagrees with you)) etc etc more bombastic unbacked bullshit."

 

[Cid Silverwing]

If they do have these names, they should release them to the relevant authorities. Sitting on information like that will cost innocent people their lives.

This.

The attitude of "don't snitch" kills more lives than actually snitching ever did.

 

[Beautiful End]

This is interesting all around. Anon may have enough power, if not influence, to counter the Zetas. Sure, the Zetas have the guns, but Anon has the power of the internet. I know it sounds dumb; of course guns would overpower everything. But I dunno...there's potential in there.

Either way, Anon has a bigger chance of causing some major damage here. If Anon exposes the Zetas, said Zetas might get angry and start killing people, yes, but they would be tempted to target Anon too. And Anon resides outside Mexico (?), meaning, like people have mentioned before, that if someone was to be killed by the Mexican cartel in the US, a shitstorm would unfold. Then the US would have to get involved. Then the Zetas would be in trouble...

I dunno. Speculation. I do that.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Let me get this straight.

Anon threatens one of the most violent and deadly organizations in the world with a well documented history of brutally executing large groups of people over the slightest infractions..

The zetas respond with a statement of: "If you do this thing you threaten we will murder this man's entire family and everyone associated with him" (or to that effect).

Man is released at some point for not stated reason (for all you know a ransom may have been paid by his family, an agreement with a rival cartel or the police or any number of things behind closed doors)

Anonymous celebrates a victory based on no specific evidence of there being such.

Anonymous then callously responds flippantly that no bargain has been struck cause "you didn't acknowledge you were doing it because we agreed so haha we still have the upper hand!"

I'm sorry.. I'm not seeing how this is a win for anybody. So Anonymous has been reduced to blackmailing vicious drug cartels, which considering the Zetas, their military background, their money, and their power, will probably end very badly for anyone connected with Anonymous within the sphere of their influence?
How do we even know that the Zetas heard or cared? And that list is INFINITELY more valuable than the life of one anonymous member... because it's just ONE man, as opposed to the HUNDREDS of lives (maybe THOUSANDS) that could be saved by turning those names over to any NUMBER of authority agencies.

One Anonymous man = THOUSANDS of potential lives?

And he's not even safe. I have no doubt that IF, IF the Zetas did give in to this threat in particular, it means that this guy has their attention. THe attention of one of the most resourceful and deadly criminal organizations in the world with a long bloody reach is NOT exactly something I'd want to have. Sooner or later we'll be reading about the death of a whole bunch of random people, and then the guy they released will probably be killed anyway, just to make a point.

 

[devilkingx]

The drug cartels... multi-trillion dollar mafias with way more power than anonymous could ever remotely dream of holding were intimidated by an Anonymous threat to release information on them and the corrupt officers helping them...

... WHAT?

Anonymous most likely doesn't even HAVE this information, someone outside of Anonymous may have just posted the threat to them "for teh lulz"!

I know that anonymous does the "Everywhere and nowhere" stuff but COME ON! These guys have HALF the hacking and information finding skill and a fraction of the power of the FBI/CIA and yet anon managed to find information that the FBI/CIA don't have??

you are seriously underestimating the power of anonymous read up on their history

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)
http://theweek.com/article/index/212846/anonymous-the-secret-groups-5-biggest-hacks

still think they couldnt do it?

 

[Jopoho]

I find this to be extremely concerning.

We have two groups that have no real end goal in dealing with each other. They have the ability to piss each other off, sure, but we're talking about a large drug cartel vs. a shadow organization with very tentative membership requirements, and its not easy to get rid of either, which means that the people who stand to lose in this are innocent bystanders.

I have no love for the Zetas or any cartel, and I'd love for them to get exactly what they deserve. I think anonymous could deliver a blow, but I think they'd be unable to finish the job or endanger the future of the Zetas. It would be a tad like waking a sleeping giant, and its wrath would be terrible, and not even necessarily directed at the people who are responsible.