A Formal Thread about Activision/Blizzard

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That's my beef people that hasn't played a Blizzard game at all, feels like they need to speak out for the community that plays these games.

Angry Joe hasn't played a Blizzard game in years and he's talking about it only when Blizzard fucks up so he can make money off the clicks this controversy gives him.
If they are, so what? Angry Joe is a talentless and constantly angry hack. I dropped his ass years ago. Let them complain all they want. It doesn't change all the sins Activision Blizzard has committed. The reason why I don't watch Joe's content anymore, is because of similar reasons and that he doesn't know what he's talking about 95% of the time anyway. Ignore him and move on. That's the best thing you can do. An imbecile such a him is not worth getting upset over.
 

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That's my beef people that hasn't played a Blizzard game at all, feels like they need to speak out for the community that plays these games.

Angry Joe hasn't played a Blizzard game in years and he's talking about it only when Blizzard fucks up so he can make money off the clicks this controversy gives him.
He does not need to be a player of Blizzard games to look at this cascading cock-up-apalooza and make commentary. He's probably read the same stuff as us and thus can form an opinion on it - though I have no doubt he is cultivating some outrage clicks but if even half of the accusations are true then there's plenty to be outraged about. When he starts bitching about Druids needing PvP nerfs or Widowmaker needing a damage buff or something and hasn't played the relevant games ever, then feel free to take a big shit on him.
 

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I don't use the dark side of human nature as an excuse to do nothing. The furries were able to police this shit among their own. The only thing stopping you is your own laziness and ignorance.
Do you know how they did that?
 

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Do you know how they did that?
Same way any group deals with toxicity. There has to be a social cost to it. Furries aren't terrified of every act of accountability being labeled as cancel culture. At conventions they sell anti-Nazi and anti-fascism apparel. People in costumes based on gross stereotypes were shunned. They got shit done.
 

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@The Rogue Wolf is that wrong. Especially when it's been proven true multiple times at this point. There are many a gamer that act like selfish buttholes, little bitches, and very ignorant. Either because of something usually or something not that big a deal, or making a mountain out of a mole hill.

There are good and decent gamers out there, but that still doesn't excuse the fact nor should we ignore the toxic behavior. We should always call those out that choose to be jackasses and do nothing to help gamers or non-gamers alike.
The issue is that you're talking as if "Gamer" is some kind of small, close knit group that associates with each other and can agree to something. This isn't the 90's anymore! Gaming isn't something that can be assumed to be the purview of a single type of person anymore, you can no more control gamers than you can control basketball players.
 

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The issue is that you're talking as if "Gamer" is some kind of small, close knit group that associates with each other and can agree to something. This isn't the 90's anymore! Gaming isn't something that can be assumed to be the purview of a single type of person anymore, you can no more control gamers than you can control basketball players.
I don't care. This isn't me about wishing it was the 90s all over again or thinking it's just a small knit community. I know there is way more of us now than there are back then. That's not the freaking point. My point is calling out jackasses for what they are. That's not about controlling everything. It's about doing what you can to make less of the world and the gaming sphere a crappy place. To let gamers and other non-gamers like to know that there are good people out there. That's it. You can't always just sit on your ass and say "well people will just be people" and do nothing about it. Or just sitting there and complain like you can't do anything else. If you want to sit on your ass, that's your problem. I'm not asking to do everything, just do what you can.
 
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I don't care. This isn't me about wishing it was the 90s all over again or thinking it's just a small knit community. I know there is way more of us now than there are back then. That's not the freaking point. My point is calling out jackasses for what they are. That's not about controlling everything. It's about doing what you can to make less of the world and the gaming sphere a crappy place. To let gamers and other non-gamers like to know that there are good people out there. That's it. You can't always just sit on your ass and say well people will just be people and do nothing about it. Or just sitting there and complain like you can't do anything else. If you want to sit on your ass, that's your problem. I'm not asking to do everything, just do what you can.
No, I completely agree with you on that. If someone is being an ass or treating people badly then they should be called out and punished. The point that I take umbrage with is people treating other people who haven't even done anything to warrant criticism the same way. An example of that is saying gamers as a whole suck, which would include even some guy who's only ever played picross while minding his own business.
 
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No, I completely agree with you on that. If someone is being an ass or treating people badly then they should be called out and punished. The point that I take umbrage with is people treating other people who haven't even done anything to warrant criticism the same way. An example of that is saying gamers as a whole suck, which would include even some guy who's only ever played picross while minding his own business.
I'm sure Rouge Wolf did not meet at like that and it was just more out of sense of frustration. I know him more than enough at this point. If he did, that's something he's going to have to work on himself.
 

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Same way any group deals with toxicity. There has to be a social cost to it. Furries aren't terrified of every act of accountability being labeled as cancel culture. At conventions they sell anti-Nazi and anti-fascism apparel. People in costumes based on gross stereotypes were shunned. They got shit done.
Ah, okay. I thought they might've found a silver bullet solution or something.
I almost dread the answer, but I personally do not, so why don't you lay down some learning on us
I suspect you mistook my post as me asking in order to provide the answer myself, (perhaps I should've formulated myself differently?) but I was asking out of curiosity since I saw an Innuendo Studios video that mentioned that furries relatively uniquely had kept the alt-right from infesting their ranks.
 
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Ah, okay. I thought they might've found a silver bullet solution or something.
It would be great if there were, but no one's found it if it exists. But yeah, I hang out with a lot of furries and I got to see firsthand how they dealt with the more toxic members of the fandom. Toxicity thrives where people don't draw boundaries and furries have just proven to be very good at drawing boundaries. Bigoted behavior was shunned, criminal behavior rooted out and general unpleasantness met with unwavering disapproval.

People talk a lot of shit on furries, but the community they've created is one of the most welcoming and safe I've ever seen.
 

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It would be great if there were, but no one's found it if it exists. But yeah, I hang out with a lot of furries and I got to see firsthand how they dealt with the more toxic members of the fandom. Toxicity thrives where people don't draw boundaries and furries have just proven to be very good at drawing boundaries. Bigoted behavior was shunned, criminal behavior rooted out and general unpleasantness met with unwavering disapproval.

People talk a lot of shit on furries, but the community they've created is one of the most welcoming and safe I've ever seen.
Almost as if they had a gate around their community, which they used to keep out certain people?
 

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People talk a lot of shit on furries, but the community they've created is one of the most welcoming and safe I've ever seen.
That's because they tend not to understand what they don't know, or they do, they feel the need to shit on other hobbies, because they're ashamed or insecure about theirs. That way they can say "I may like or be into X and such, but at least I'm not that person or them!" Acting like they got the most pure standards. Screw them.
 

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Almost as if they had a gate around their community, which they used to keep out certain people?
Don't even try the self righteous pro Nazi justification. The only thing the furry community are gating are obnoxious or racists/sexist assholes. As long as you act like a decent person or human being, they don't care. I give them high respect for that. A lot more fandoms can learn from them. Another fandom that's pretty chill are the Suda51 and Grasshopper Studios fandom.
 

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People talk a lot of shit on furries, but the community they've created is one of the most welcoming and safe I've ever seen.
Like that feeling when your pet dog/cat cuddles up to you, no doubt. ;)
 

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Do you really want to be on the pro-Nazi side of this argument? If so keep talking.
I don't know what you're talking about. You're saying that furries are good at gatekeeping Nazis out of their space, aren't you?
Are you also trying to say that gatekeeping is an exclusively Nazi thing to do?

Don't even try the self righteous pro Nazi justification.
You seem to be saying it too, that gatekeeping is only used by Nazis. I have never heard this before.

The only thing the furry community are gating are obnoxious or racists/sexist assholes
Yes, this is my only point, that selective gatekeeping, keeping out elements that you don't want in your community, is beneficial.
That is what Buyetyen described when he explained how furries keep their community clean.

That analogy is patently stupid.
Why do you think so?

What is the difference between "gatekeeping", seen as a dirty word, and what furries do?
 

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Why do you think so?

What is the difference between "gatekeeping", seen as a dirty word, and what furries do?
Gatekeeping is fundamentally a process of filtering what comes in, not throwing out trash once it has already been let in.

Thus appropriate to this, a gated property takes as basic concept that everyone else (without an invite) is to be excluded, with an implicit assumption that they are undesirable or malign. This is obviously different from a community that welcomes people in, but kicks them out once they prove themselves to be undesirable or malign.