Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates

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It is, of course, very important that these murderers be safe from any Palestinian reprisal. So important that the United States should pay for their missile defense.
 

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Watching republicans get performatively mad at democrats for removing funding from a bill that republicans were never going to vote for anyway and then watching everybody just...roll with it is just...indescribable.
 
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Watching republicans get performatively mad at democrats for removing funding from a bill that republicans were never going to vote for anyway and then watching everybody just...roll with it is just...indescribable.
Watching everyone get worked up over a $3.5t package (over 10 years) when they just passed a $7t bill for defense spending (over 10 years), and decided to give them an extra quarter trillion dollars because clearly the US military doesn't have enough money, is indescribable.

Why would you fix roads and pay for child carr when you can just buy more tanks and ships...
 

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Why would you fix roads and pay for child carr when you can just buy more tanks and ships...
Childcare is welfare for lazy bums and dissolute single mothers who can't look after their own kids. Tanks and ships contribute to the greater glory of the nation and require manly men doing manly jobs.
 

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Childcare is welfare for lazy bums and dissolute single mothers who can't look after their own kids. Tanks and ships contribute to the greater glory of the nation and require manly men doing manly jobs.
Or, and hear me out because it's so weird, what if we improve the quality of teaching so society gains the benefits 20 to 30 years later. But of course, let's punish a whole swathe of people for some people who are actually lazy. Sums up American politics to me.

I just can't understand how very similar countries who started at similar places ended up with very different ideology. We used to have a White Australia policy AND we only saw indigenous Australians as people in 1967. We also had a government removed for being 'socialist' by the governor-General. And yet, we have medicare, child care subsidies and even the guy who brought in coal to scare the Libs has been talking about renewable energy more. Those same people increased the child care subsidy. But Americans polticians were worried about whether money only be spent on new roads, not fix up the old ones that are falling apart. Because that makes sense

Anyway, sums up Israel and Palestine. Intractable ideologues who have no intention of compromising pretending they did actually compromise to look good
 

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I just can't understand how very similar countries who started at similar places ended up with very different ideology. We used to have a White Australia policy AND we only saw indigenous Australians as people in 1967. We also had a government removed for being 'socialist' by the governor-General. And yet, we have medicare, child care subsidies and even the guy who brought in coal to scare the Libs has been talking about renewable energy more. Those same people increased the child care subsidy. But Americans polticians were worried about whether money only be spent on new roads, not fix up the old ones that are falling apart. Because that makes sense
I'd say it's down to the following:

-Australia and many parlimentary democracies do, IMO, a better job of representation than the US. The US has two major parties that have to encompass everything from the center to the fringe, and it's gotten worse since at least the 1990s. Places like Oz, on the other hand, have a more sensible centre (ALP vs. LNP), and various other parties people can vote for if they want something else, plus, preferential voting. So I guess in theory, we're in the position to have stuff like Medicare steadily implemented (proposed by the left), and then maintained (by the right). This isn't even an oddity, the Tories grudgingly maintain the NHS after all in the UK for instance.

-Fair to say that the red scare affected the US more than us, so what's "socialism" to a lot of people in the US would be considered centre-left here.

-I guess there's also the cultural divergences that go back to both countries. Both start as colonies of the British Empire, only the US breaks off to do its own thing, while Oz still has the queen as its head of state and the union jack on its flag, and there isn't much appetite for republicanism here. That doesn't explain everything and everything, but, well, pivoting back to the first point, I'm glad we have the system of government that we do, because watching the US descend into hyper-partisanship over the last half decade has been both amusing and terrifying.

Edit: Also, ScoMo and renewable energy...too little, too late. God's sake, I've actually defend ScoMo's handling of Covid here (even if I have to have an LNP prime minister, I'd go with Turnbull), but he and much of the Liberals are still dragging their feet on renewables. But then, that's the COALition for you. :(
 

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If I felt the IDF was genuinely trying to raise awareness of breast cancer, I might be happy. What I actually think is happening is the IDF is carrying out PR for the IDF by pretending it's a caring, sharing organisation.

It's like all those videos that started appearing (even to me, in another country) of the US police doing good-minded community work and being generally friendly and lovely. I fear that they are not part of a program to make the US police more community-minded, but just propaganda to counteract the reputational damage of US police officers who brutalise their local community.
 

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I fear that they are not part of a program to make the US police more community-minded, but just propaganda to counteract the reputational damage of US police officers who brutalise their local community.
Whereas you fear, I am certain. In both cases.
 
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Seanchaidh, you think every American NGO that doesn't actively protest the US are war criminals... why would you even post that one?
 

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What's your opinion on Human Rights Watch work in South America?
It is unreliable as a source of information and given to serve the interests of US imperialism by fabricating human rights problems with the targets of US imperialism. That doesn't make it a terrorist or war criminal organization.
 
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