The thing we had sketchy evidence about has apparently winded down. Attention shifts to Taiwan's air defense zone, which extends over mainland China.
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Biden team faced "tirade" at meeting with Chinese over America's poor human rights record in "Diplomatic humiliation"
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The thing we had sketchy evidence about has apparently winded down. Attention shifts to Taiwan's air defense zone, which extends over mainland China.
Also,
And the Chinese ADIZ extends over islands owned by Japan... Welcome to geopolitical posturing in the East China Sea area, mate. It really is sad how much you're willing to uncritically carry a capitalist, authoritarian, imperialist state's baggage because they nominally claim to be communist (like North Korea claims to be a democracy) and have foreign policy disagreements with the US.
Air Defense Identification Zone (East China Sea) - Wikipedia
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Seanchaidh getting his news from twitter summaries and headlines rather than reading the article because it's a lot more nuanced than his beliefs? Je suis choqué.
China’s Social Credit System Is Actually Quite Boring
A supposedly Orwellian system is fragmented, localized, and mostly targeted at businesses.
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From that article:
Ah, everything's back to normal, nothing to see here! Move right along!
There aren't breathless news stories about Japanese aggression whenever Japanese planes fly there.
So are socialism and communism just a sports team for you? Are they just beliefs to make you feel unique and against The Man (tm)? Does it boost your self-esteem to pretend to be better than others? Like you clearly don't actually care about the lives and wellbeing of other human beings if it "helps" your "team", so it can't be any sort of principled stance based on equality, justice, or anything similar. Help the rest of us understand...
I am also happy to assume all is well as soon as the government tells me (well, assuming that government has described itself in the same way I describe myself. No need for their actions to match, the self-description is good enough).
Ah, the "I know you are but what am I". Truly the height of 3rd grade intellectual discourse.
You're the only one in this forum that regularly downplays the horrific acts (up to and including genocide) taken by states you have decided are on your "side."
Mind answering my original question or did I just hit a bit too close to home?
This is pretty much the mentality that Marxism in general and especially Marxism-Leninism ferments. Communism is the only end and communism can only be achieved through Marxism-Leninism and the form of Marxism-Leninism in action is the vanguard party, so everything the vanguard party does is for communism, ipso facto, and any opposition to the vanguard party is counter revolutionary. Events like the Third Indochina war, which was a series of proxy conflicts between China and the USSR, are reconciled by deciding one side wasn't Marxist-Leninist after all or denying it happened.
Everything that is bad can become good. Marxist-Leninists espouse a hatred for imperialism and then cheer on the idea of a PRC invasion of Taiwan, which has never been part of the PRC and only became annexed by China in 1683. (To put that in some kind of perspective, all but one of the 13 British colonies in what is now the US had been established by 1683, Georgia being the exception) Taiwan was controlled by both the Dutch and the Spanish before China.
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I think this really hits on why posts like Seanchaidh's drive me up the damn wall. The entire chain of logic is so fucking backwards. There's a conclusion that has been arbitrarily decided as "good" and that end justifies any means* regardless of how much suffering is caused.
Surely, if one's aim is truly to minimize suffering or maximize equality or maximize justice or what-have-you, then that should be the lens through which all actions are critiqued regardless of the person/party/state that takes them. Anything else is blatantly hypocritical and shows that you don't actual care about the values you proclaim; you're simply using them as a rhetorical cudgel to claim the metaphorical high-ground.
*even if said means (like, you know, genocide) don't actually move towards the supposed end
Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.
Wanting people to be aware of how they're being manipulated by the propaganda of the US empire and its various associates in order to encourage hostility towards its rivals and justify absurd military spending to enrich its ruling class is not "team sports". No, the questionable accusations being about human rights doesn't make demonizing other countries any better.
The fact that even US imperialist propaganda is pivoting away from accusations about China's Uyghur population should tell you something about how reliable those accusations were in the first place. I posted AP, not Xinhua.
Have you considered the possibility that both the United States and the PRC might both be bad and opposed to the liberation of the working class?
I live in Britain, I can still condemn human rights abuses in foreign countries and criticise the policies of foreign governments, corporations, and systems. Actually, given how important the foreign policy of superpowers is, I think it's necessary.
The fact that all it takes to get you to offhandedly dismiss survivor accounts and independent reporting is an article from AP that (partially) supports (some of) what you're saying, should tell you something about how reliable your decision-making process is.
He says, repeating the party line from an imperialist power currently chomping at the bit to invade a neighbouring sovereign country.
The fact that all it takes to get you to credulously go along with demonizing another country is to produce some people willing to say things on camera for money or other favors should tell you something about how reliable your decision-making process is.
He says, repeating the party line from an imperialist power that routinely invades non-neighboring sovereign countries, carries out assassinations, foments military coups, controls a large portion of the media he is allowed to consume, and shapes what he and the rest of the public think of as relevant and debatable. And for the purpose of demonizing a foreign government that does not have such power over him.
It's not all it takes. It's also the heaps of independent reporting, nothing to do with the US military complex to which you attribute all unhelpful details.
Of course, you yourself are happy to provide eyewitness/ survivor accounts for the damage done by the US in its imperialist missions overseas. It's only when it becomes inconvenient, then you're immediately certain they're false flags.
Uh-huh, but nothing I'm relying on is actually coming from those powers. But you accuse anything else of just being false flags. Cozy, isn't it? There's nothing that can't just be dismissed if you work backwards from your assumption.
And funnily enough, given the immense international power of the CCP's state-capitalist machine, they actually have enormous power over what you and I have access to. And certainly over how little is paid to the people making what we in the West consume.
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