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I mean fuck, Yahtzee openly has said "Ni**er" in several Zero Punctuation episodes and I've never once seen anyone complain about it.
He only did that once in his review of 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand. The word was cut off after the first "g" as a joke, at the end of the review. He never did that again in his reviews, and I am glad. I am not one for "N" word priveleges and that goes double for Tarantino's heavy use of them in his early films.
 
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No, the core of good comedy is to illuminate truths about our society. And you can't do that when you're too busy ranting and being an asshole like Dave did. I watched the bit. Where is the punchline? What is the joke? What is the truth that is being highlighted in a humorous way?

My fucking god, non-comedians need to shut the fuck up about what comedy is and isn't. You're always wrong.
The Joke is Dave is a bit of a moron who didn't get it but how through him not getting it but having some-one there willing to try and help him one of his shows evolved into something very different where people in the audience came away from it possibly more informed. The punchline is the awfulness of the world that Daphne did that then when Dave was being dragged online with people offended seemingly on her behalf she stood up for Dave and said stop being offended on my behalf and they dragged her for it. They dragged her for not being offended and instead having been the one at the show trying to help Dave understand things more. Because I dunno they think Dave is meant to know everything already or something. The punchline is the gut punch from the world and the cruel irony that the person who was trying to do something good was turned on for trying to do something good rather than acting like an asshole and trying to harm people and force them to tow some kind of line. That's the punchline. It's not funny, it's the punchline of grim reality penetrating back into the joke.

It's Hanna Gadsby's punchline revealing that the story she'd been telling about the guy who thought she was flirting with his girl and then realised she was a girl so thought nothing of it. It didn't end with the guy walking away. It ended with the grim reality that minutes later he realised what had been going on and she had been flirting with his girl and was a lesbian and beat her unconscious.

The Punchline is the collapse of the very premise of the joke itself. The very expectation of a nice happy light thing no-one should be feeling bad about being shattered by grim reality.
 

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He only did that once in his review of 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand. The word was cut off after the first "g" as a joke, at the end of the review. He never did that again in his reviews, and I am glad. I am not one for "N" word priveleges and that goes double for Tarantino's heavy use of them in his early films.
He did that in the PUBg review as well.
 

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He only did that once in his review of 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand. The word was cut off after the first "g" as a joke, at the end of the review. He never did that again in his reviews, and I am glad. I am not one for "N" word priveleges and that goes double for Tarantino's heavy use of them in his early films.
Early? Man I rewatched Django and The hateful Eight this week. I think I might have some bad news for you. That shit made me squirm despite knowing the context.
 
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He did that in the PUBg review as well.
I did not watch that one.

Early? Man I rewatched Django and The hateful Eight this week. I think I might have some bad news for you. That shit made me squirm despite knowing the context.
Oh, I already know about those movies too. I saw them in theaters. Those films I throw some leeway considering, that was people acted and treated blacks during those times in the 19th century. I have Django, and Hateful Eight I felt no need to watch again after one viewing.
 
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"I identify as an attack helicopter". Give me a case for why I should laugh at that.
At the risk of offending people.
Maybe you also identify as indigenous but are fed up of people being shocked you identify as a Bell AH-1 Cobra and not an Apache or Cheyenne?
(Look I did what I could to try and make it a joke OK)

"I loved your father, he was a wonderful woman" isn't directly misgendering her?

A joke among close friends, maybe, a joke told to millions on your $25 million dollar comedy special to people who are not friends?
Except at the time of conception unless there was extra science involved or other things going on I can only assume she would have been at the time in the eyes of society and possibly herself to an extent a man so a father as such.

I dunno if it's just me being dumb but I find the idea of retroactively applying a person new gender to their past to be somewhat awkward and while I can understand the issues of potential trauma from being reminded of ones past self it also brings up awkward issues. For example am I meant to say my straight male friend dated a guy? But when he dated the person they were considered a woman on all accounts and later transitioned to being a man years after they broke up.
 

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Correct it isn't automatically funny, but depending on how good the comedian is it CAN be funny. And that's the point. Some people will ultimately enjoy that style of comedy as it is a comedic style that has existed for a long time. And being offensive doesn't automatically mean you are offending people specifically.

The point is there should be freedom to attempt to be funny regardless of the subject, otherwise you are saying that people need to be censored and that is a very slippery slope is it not? Some people will find it funny, and others won't and that's their freedom to enjoy.
Hence why I said earlier that nobody should be immune from comedy as a target.

But again, if someone doesn't laugh at a joke, that doesn't mean they don't have a sense of humor, and it sure as shit doesn't count as censoring or cancelling if one says "Your joke sucks."
 
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At the risk of offending people.
Maybe you also identify as indigenous but are fed up of people being shocked you identify as a Bell AH-1 Cobra and not an Apache or Cheyenne?
(Look I did what I could to try and make it a joke OK)
As they say in the show business, "Don't quit your day job." Joke sucks. Now call me an SJW trying to censor and cancel you.
 
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Hence why I said earlier that nobody should be immune from comedy as a target.

But again, if someone doesn't laugh at a joke, that doesn't mean they don't have a sense of humor, and it sure as shit doesn't count as censoring or cancelling if one says "Your joke sucks."
Issue is here people specifically trying to get the special pulled and or Netflix to refuse to work with Dave Chappelle again due to this and if they don't cause damage to Netflix is various ways. That's way beyond just criticising something.

As they say in the show business, "Don't quit your day job." Joke sucks. Now call me an SJW trying to censor and cancel you.
As I said, I tried, I didn't say it would be good. Also you're not calling for the post to be removed so why would I call you that? You're not trying to falsely claim my joke led to murder or that it was harmful to the public either so again no reason to call you that.
 

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As I said, I tried, I didn't say it would be good. Also you're not calling for the post to be removed so why would I call you that?
Because if you don't laugh on cue like automatons, you're an SJW with no sense of humor and want to censor people. That's what conservatives have drilled into my head.
 
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So just going to leave this here;
Now honestly, as a fan of Chappelle, gotta say this isn't one of his stronger specials (Sticks and Stones is still probably one of my favorite comedy specials I've seen/heard), though it's not terrible. I can see why people are taking offense, and I don't really need to try and defend Chappelle here, this whole thing is just...funny, you know? It's always funny to see people try to use someone just miss the point so badly that is just fun to watch. Case in point, Fox News proper ran an article about his special right after it aired. To everyone that has seen the special (or hell, just heard the general rundown of it), just take a wild guess what it was; Chappelle says he's a TERF; "Gender is a fact." was (I think, didn't read it because, duh) the title. Just took the one bit that fit their narrative, and ran with it. Keep in mind, this same special also has "My problem is with white people" as a bit too, and on any other day, that headline would have read "Leftist comedian hates white people, wants to defund police".

Or the premise of this thread. Or those shitheads going around harassing people, because of course they are. At the very least, I think Chappelle is just as angry about these dumb asshole mobs going around trying to defend his honor or something (after his disgust at said mobs during the special), and especially the fact the only person to get fired was a black, pregnant woman. I'll just leave with saying that, while it is easy (and, admittedly, fair) to judge him for these awful jokes, he does also have his moments;
 
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If anything the comedy special is making people less transphobic because I don't know how you can be after watching the ENTIRE show. And if trans people were to actually succeed in removing a Dave Chappelle special from Netflix, I think that would cause more people to be transphobic or at least those that are transphobic to be more hateful.
That's very convenient. This special will magically cure people of their transphobia, and if there is any transphobia it's only because trans people brought it upon themselves for speaking out.

Reminds me of the discourse in my country surrounding a racist character from a holiday tradition called Black Pete. Totally not racist, really, not at all, but black people speaking up about it only serves to make people racist.

It's not the fault of the actual issue marginalized groups are calling out, it's the fault of marginalized groups speaking up when we obviously know better than they do.
 
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I think the story is Dave legit upset about the death of his good trans friend. In fact the family of Daphne have apparently come forward about Dave and sung his praises. So it's a story with a bit of hyperbolic jokes thrown in because it's a comedy show after all, but all in all it's a comedic way to talk about his friend.

I think Dave does have a chip on his shoulder about outrage culture, and the insane sensitivity of the "alphabet people" such that they want to be considered equal and included into society openly, yet want special treatment at the same time (like not being joked about). A lot of comedians share the same viewpoint in that a tolerant society is a society that can make fun of each other and everyone laughs.

And Dave's criticism is because of this push back against him and any other comedian who gets in trouble for telling a couple of jokes. And the more they get mad at him the more he doubles down because he is not going to let people bully him by saying what he can and can not make jokes about. And a lot of people are backing him up at this point because they are tired of it too.
But it's not "outrage culture" he spends 3 specials deriding and taking the piss out of. It's trans people. He specifically says he's "team TERF". That's not a term used in reference to "outrage culture". It explicitly stands for "trans-exclusionary".
 
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But it's not "outrage culture" he spends 3 specials deriding and taking the piss out of. It's trans people. He specifically says he's "team TERF". That's not a term used in reference to "outrage culture". It explicitly stands for "trans-exclusionary".
Not that I've seen the material (I have not much enjoyed what little I've seen of Dave Chappelle so have no inclination to watch), that could represent Chappelle accepting the designation he's been given ironically. The context being that trans activists can call people "TERF" for disagreeing with them irrespective of whether they are radical feminists (or, in some cases, perhaps even trans exclusionary).
 
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Not that I've seen the material (I have not much enjoyed what little I've seen of Dave Chappelle so have no inclination to watch), that could represent Chappelle accepting the designation he's been given ironically. The context being that trans activists can call people "TERF" for disagreeing with them irrespective of whether they are radical feminists (or, in some cases, perhaps even trans exclusionary).
Maybe... if this wasn't a follow up to him saying he agrees with J.K. Rowling on the matter. Unless that was ironic too. Chappelle doesn't seem to be on twitter being an asshole regarding trans issues and writing a book that involves a killer dressing up as a woman to lure in victims, like Rowling. And maybe he isn't even aware of her having done this, but many people in the trans community certainly are. So him saying he argees with her on trans issues it's not surprising this rubs a lot of people within that community the wrong way. Especially after apparently having made disparaging comments about trans people in previous specials already.
 
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Not that I've seen the material (I have not much enjoyed what little I've seen of Dave Chappelle so have no inclination to watch), that could represent Chappelle accepting the designation he's been given ironically. The context being that trans activists can call people "TERF" for disagreeing with them irrespective of whether they are radical feminists (or, in some cases, perhaps even trans exclusionary).
But it's not "outrage culture" he spends 3 specials deriding and taking the piss out of. It's trans people. He specifically says he's "team TERF". That's not a term used in reference to "outrage culture". It explicitly stands for "trans-exclusionary".
During the Daphne story he also deliberately calls himself transphobic. It is obvious to me that he is mocking the mobs calling him these terms. He does it to show it really has no meaning or basis in reality to him. He hangs with Daphne, has her open a show for him and genuinely wants to help her get a foothold as a comic and as a friend, but he is "transphobic" so...

And someone rolled their eyes earlier making the comment "im not racist because i have black friends" and that isnt what i think Dave is doing here. He is embracing the irony of people calling him these things because to him it doesnt make any sense.
 
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Maybe... if this wasn't a follow up to him saying he agrees with J.K. Rowling on the matter. Unless that was ironic too. Chappelle doesn't seem to be on twitter being an asshole regarding trans issues and writing a book that involves a killer dressing up as a woman to lure in victims, like Rowling. And maybe he isn't even aware of her having done this, but many people in the trans community certainly are. So him saying he argees with her on trans issues it's not surprising this rubs a lot of people within that community the wrong way. Especially after apparently having made disparaging comments about trans people in previous specials already.
I think of lot of these specials come from Dave hating social media entirely. He blames social media for Daphne's desth, and he constantly bashes twitter people specifically. I dont think he looks at twitter much but does see news of when shit happens from twitter because a lot of news programs bring up twitter posts.
 
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