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Heres what I've said

CNN lied about the horse paste comparison

Rogan lied about Ivermectin working

I don't understand why you aren't getting this

I listened to 10 to 15 minutes including the discussion about when Rogan should get vaccinated. The context just made each sides position worse
It didn't work but then is Rogan really in a position to say it didn't work when he was prescribed it by his doctor probably along with other drugs and he ended up better after it. To him, he saw it as having worked and again he's no doctor he's never pretended to be. He just said about his experiences and said it's one of the drugs he was prescribed to take.
 

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Do I need to cite shit said by OAN, Newsmax, or any myriad of Christian networks or talking heads?
Yes, I think you do. I don't think any of those networks have said a negative thing about you or I being vaccinated.
This is not meant to be a whatabouism to Chappelle. Im just doing a comparison to highlight how little mocking was going, comparatively speaking.
It's not an effective comparison to compare a comedian to a news network. Chapelle mocking people is funny, and also not relevant to people's understanding of the news, since he's not anyone's news source. And like, even beyond news networks, the FDA got in on it. The FDA said "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it." If Chapelle says that, it's fine, because anyone who feels condescended to can ignore him without consequence. We don't want people ignoring the FDA, there are consequences to that.
 
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Yes, I think you do. I don't think any of those networks have said a negative thing about you or I being vaccinated.

"Most of you got the normal 'it's just flu' rona last year and most of you didn't even know you had it. But I don't have any friends and I don't leave the house so I only got the deadly superspreader version from vaccinated people and let me tell you THIS IS NOT FUN," Yiannopoulos wrote."



I got enough on my plate being an ANTIFA-in-my-heart terrorist and Communist, but MAN, being a vaccine shedder is going to cut into my schedule something fierce. I oughta be shot.
 
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Here's one for woke world that I didn't know about until now


So either this is a joke that's got a bit out of hand or some-one might want to tell the people rushing to sign it what happened according to history.
So we should give gunshots, bullets, or suicide the statue. Noted.
 

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It didn't work but then is Rogan really in a position to say it didn't work when he was prescribed it by his doctor probably along with other drugs and he ended up better after it. To him, he saw it as having worked and again he's no doctor he's never pretended to be. He just said about his experiences and said it's one of the drugs he was prescribed to take.
And I said, 'Rogan was proscribed it? No. He either found a doctor who was corrupt or corrupted a doctor.'

Whether he was proscribed is not the lie. The prescription is irrelevant. In fact, the prescription makes it a whole lot worse. The lie is pretending that Ivermectin worked and that doctors say its okay

And, I'll say it again since we are just repeating ourselves, I gave Rogan a pass because he listed treatments that are effective. And the outside possibility that Ivermectin does work with all these new studies. You have now shown me that was a mistakes and I should have called him a liar back then
 

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It's not an effective comparison to compare a comedian to a news network. Chapelle mocking people is funny, and also not relevant to people's understanding of the news, since he's not anyone's news source. And like, even beyond news networks, the FDA got in on it. The FDA said "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it." If Chapelle says that, it's fine, because anyone who feels condescended to can ignore him without consequence. We don't want people ignoring the FDA, there are consequences to that.
I was comparing what was being said. Not who was saying it. Notice how I have been trying to cancel CNN, Rogan or Chappelle? I would say, damage to society wise, it goes Rogan long way out in front, Chappelle near the bottom but still above CNN. With the proviso that CNN should be more responsible, it make them about Chappelle's level. Not anywhere near Rogan.

Again, I'm only doing this because Rogan went in calling people liars when he hasn't been remotely truthful. I understand CNN needs to be more responsible. The lies are also not comparable
 

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And I said, 'Rogan was proscribed it? No. He either found a doctor who was corrupt or corrupted a doctor.'

Whether he was proscribed is not the lie. The prescription is irrelevant. In fact, the prescription makes it a whole lot worse. The lie is pretending that Ivermectin worked and that doctors say its okay

And, I'll say it again since we are just repeating ourselves, I gave Rogan a pass because he listed treatments that are effective. And the outside possibility that Ivermectin does work with all these new studies. You have now shown me that was a mistakes and I should have called him a liar back then
But Rogan isn't a medically trained doctor. He was prescribed it according to his claim and along with other dugs he got better. From his perspective it worked as far as he know. No-one is coming to him for medical advice. He gave his perspective on his experiences and if he was right or wrong well he never claimed or has presented himself as an expert. He's a talking head giving his views and talking about his experiences.
 

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Milo Yiannopoulos has no friends? Well paint me plaid and call me Angus.
He clearly does, now that he's hooked onto Church Militant, which in turn is becoming a dumping ground where right wing talking heads go that got tossed into the can for newer and hotter talking heads.
 

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But Rogan isn't a medically trained doctor. He was prescribed it according to his claim and along with other dugs he got better. From his perspective it worked as far as he know. No-one is coming to him for medical advice. He gave his perspective on his experiences and if he was right or wrong well he never claimed or has presented himself as an expert. He's a talking head giving his views and talking about his experiences.
He's a celebrity with a lot of money who gets what he wants. Doctor will listen to him and his money rather than any science. That part isn't exclusive to Rogan. A lot of talking heads did the exact same thing as Rogan and I've criticized them too.

As I said, this was okay imo when 1) he gave some good advice on other drugs at the same time 2) he wasn't calling people liars over way lesser lies than what he did. I don't think this gives CNN a free pass. I'm just not letting Rogan have a free pass either just because someone else did something wrong to him
 

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He's a celebrity with a lot of money who gets what he wants. Doctor will listen to him and his money rather than any science. That part isn't exclusive to Rogan. A lot of talking heads did the exact same thing as Rogan and I've criticized them too.
But this is based on the assumption Rogan went for it not his Doctor.

As I said, this was okay imo when 1) he gave some good advice on other drugs at the same time 2) he wasn't calling people liars over way lesser lies than what he did. I don't think this gives CNN a free pass. I'm just not letting Rogan have a free pass either just because someone else did something wrong to him
But it was a lie what CNN said.
It wasn't a lie (that we know of) that Joe Rogan's doctor prescribed it for him
 

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Well here's a dumb one



Done allegedly in the name of diversity and inclusion so because they don't believe students of colour are capable of achieving the same as white student so they're doing away with the requirements entirely.
 

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And I said, 'Rogan was proscribed it? No. He either found a doctor who was corrupt or corrupted a doctor.'
There's medical literature on the pitfalls of treating the rich, famous and powerful.

You are of course entirely right. Rich, famous and powerful people have the means to make sure that they get what they want, and it is easy for them to find doctors who will give them what they want, even if with some persuasion. In fact, I suspect there's a whole little sub-industry of compliant doctors for the rich and famous.
 

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An another story from woke world


No handmaids tale outfits because apparently despite the same state freedoms or restrictions minority woman have apparently always had their reproductive rights controlled against.

Also no coat hanger imagery because

When it comes to the coat hanger imagery, the march's website says the organizers do not want to accidentally reinforce the idea that "self-managed abortions are dangerous, scary and harmful."
Ah yes how dare people suggest DIY home abortions are dangerous at all........... Because this won't end up sounding like they're going "Well we don't need the state to help cover abortions because we're fine doing them at home it's no bother". What a mad world we have entered.
 

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In fact, I suspect there's a whole little sub-industry of compliant doctors for the rich and famous.
I'm sure there is, and it's got to be partly wrapped up in earnings expectations. I followed a Twitter thread of US and UK doctors a while ago that was based on 'What did you buy to celebrate achieving [x medical role]?' (I can't recall the exact role). The most extravagant UK one was 'I bought a self-scooping litter tray'; the US one was a slew of doctors who bought supercars. World's apart.
 

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I'm sure there is, and it's got to be partly wrapped up in earnings expectations. I followed a Twitter thread of US and UK doctors a while ago that was based on 'What did you buy to celebrate achieving [x medical role]?' (I can't recall the exact role). The most extravagant UK one was 'I bought a self-scooping litter tray'; the US one was a slew of doctors who bought supercars. World's apart.
Yes. A UK GP can expect to earn about £60k ($85k) a year for full-time work as a base, with ~50% more possible with various add-ons, and as a practice partner low six figure salaries are possible. A UK consultant doctor can expect to start around £80k ($110k) and go just over £100k. However, more can be earned from private medical care, although over £200k ($280k) rare.

Salaries in the USA vary considerably by specialty and location, but well over $200k is cited as a median and ~$300k as a mean. That is very high - even the median is more than most British doctors will ever earn. Even with the context that professional middle-class jobs in the USA usually earn about a third more than their British equivalents, medicine is still disproportionate. Quite a few of my students are clearly planning to do their medical degree here in the UK (it's much cheaper as well as more accessible) and then skip straight over to the US at the earliest opportunity to earn $$$. Of course, they all wrote on their personal statement on the admission form about their deep passion to help others, but we all know a lot of them are really motivated by money and status.

I have read that part of the reason for high US medical salaries is that there is heavy gatekeeping of the profession via limited medical school places and visas, causing a form of artificial scarcity. (Mind you, there was in the UK too until a few years ago when the government decided to aggressively expand medical education.) Although I'm sure there is also a much greater salary inequality, because doctors have so much more ability to earn at the high end in private practice in the USA.

I'd also just like to state that few things piss me off more than medics complaining about their salary. As a non-medical doctor, I don't begrudge them earning substantially more than I do (life and death decisions and all that), but I really do not want to hear them acting like they aren't very well paid. It particularly grates in things like academia where they can earn medical grade salaries for essentially doing the same job as non-medical staff being paid under half as much.
 

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"Most of you got the normal 'it's just flu' rona last year and most of you didn't even know you had it. But I don't have any friends and I don't leave the house so I only got the deadly superspreader version from vaccinated people and let me tell you THIS IS NOT FUN," Yiannopoulos wrote."



I got enough on my plate being an ANTIFA-in-my-heart terrorist and Communist, but MAN, being a vaccine shedder is going to cut into my schedule something fierce. I oughta be shot.
I've noticed those aren't Fox News, or OAN, or Newsmax, or actually any network at all. Milo, a man who's entire career is built on trolling people, said nothing bad about you, only implied vaccines made the virus worse. TruNews is essentially one crazy conspiracy theorist with a podcast. These are not people you have any justification to care about.
 

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I've noticed those aren't Fox News, or OAN, or Newsmax, or actually any network at all. Milo, a man who's entire career is built on trolling people, said nothing bad about you, only implied vaccines made the virus worse. TruNews is essentially one crazy conspiracy theorist with a podcast. These are not people you have any justification to care about.
Except that these people are spreading harmful lies that other people are accepting as gospel truth, making the problem worse, allowing a deadly disease to spread and placing my life in danger. So yes, despite your "no no, don't look at the man behind the curtain" spiel, I do have justification to care about that, and to put an end to it.
 
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Except that these people are spreading harmful lies that other people are accepting as gospel truth, making the problem worse, allowing a deadly disease to spread and placing my life in danger. So yes, despite your "no no, don't look at the man behind the curtain" spiel, I do have justification to care about that, and to put an end to it.
So does Goop but I think it's fairly safe to say most people consider Goop are quacks no-one in their right mind listens to and not representative of the wealthy liberal mindset.
 

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Silly goose.

Fauci got it wrong on masks, that means he was wrong on everything.

Trump got it right on cutting off international travel from China, so Trump is right on everything.

Conservative logic!
It's perhaps worth pointing out that we can't actually pin even that on Fauci, because that same interview from which that characterization is drawn made it clear that he was saying that in the sense of triage. At the time, they didn't know that Covid was contagious even when the infected didn't have obvious symptoms. As such, they were operating off the understanding that masks would have a negligible benefit for people who A) were not showing symptoms and B) were not around others who were obviously infected. Even in the interview itself, Fauci was quite clear in that his position was not that masks weren't helpful. Quite the opposite in fact. His position was quite explicitly that, because masks were in limited supply, Healthcare workers had a much greater need of masks than the general populace did, and that the latter group panic buying them - and I quote - "could create a shortage of masks for the people who really need it".

Contextually, it is quite clear that Fauci et al weren't saying that masks didn't work, but rather that between anticipated lack of exposure and poor application (eg, wearing the masks so that they didn't cover the nose), the expected benefit to the general population wasn't worth the cost of depriving healthcare workers of a necessary resource for their line of work.

It got quote-mined to imply Fauci was instead against masks in a general sense for the sake of discrediting Fauci (who at that point was persona non grata in Trump's little cult), and later to try and discredit the efforts to contain Covid in general by painting the information sources as inconsistent and therefore (somehow) less trustworthy than the anti-vax hucksters pushing HCL, Ivermectin, etc as some kind of miracle cure that officials were suppressing because reasons.

 
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