Alec Baldwin Involved in Fatal Shooting On Set of Rust

[gorfias]

I'm not inclined to believe a video with a thumbnail like that, but if true then wow, talk about seriously fucking up your early work on every conceivable level.

Now I'm hearing that it was not necessarily Baldwin doing the target practice during their down time but other crew members. Still, explains why there was live ammo on the set.

@2:40 seconds, the associate director takes the gun off of a cart and gives it to Baldwin saying it is a cold gun.


Who was responsible for putting the gun on the cart? Did the armorer have an obligation to safely store them? What was the associate director doing taking a random gun off a cart and handing it to his star claiming it to be cold?

Properly investigated and charged, it sounds like this is a big @&E!$ sandwich, and a number of people should have to take a bite.

 

[Thaluikhain]

For a lot of cases...probably yeah, actually.

One thing I haven't mentioned yet as it gets in the weeds as to which firearms do what, is semi-automatic and automatic firearms actually need to be modified to fire blanks anyways. Blanks won't cycle a bolt. There's either not enough recoil to overcome the resistance of the recoil spring due to insufficient charge, or no bullet to provide resistance against gas expansion, in the case of recoil operation, or in the case of gas operation expanding gas simply escapes out of the muzzle rather than being redirected into the gas port to operate the piston.

That's actually a problem in some live fire scenarios anyways, depending on what firearm's being used. For example, a friend's Browning Auto-5 won't cycle when firing -- if I remember right, it's been almost a decade since he got rid of the damned gun and over a decade since I shot it -- shells shorter than 2 3/4", or shot smaller than #6. The shell just isn't powerful enough, to provide sufficient recoil to cycle the bolt.

The fix is to overcharge the blank, replace the recoil spring with a lighter spring, and/or restrict the bore to compress escaping gases and boost recoil.

Which is also why I've been quietly laughing to myself about this "visual fidelity matters" crap. A blank's muzzle flash doesn't look the same as a live round's muzzle flash, and never will simply because there's no round being expelled from the barrel. It's actually pretty laughable if you're experienced with firearms, most Hollywood muzzle flashes look like guns still use black powder charges. There's a reason I compared it to "Hollywood explosions".

If you look closely at the guns in Predator, in some shots the barrel is pointing almost at the camera and you can just see the blank fire adaptor inside the muzzle. One of those things that once you know about it you can't unsee.

(And every explosion in a movie uses petrol, so you get that orange fireball, regardless of what's supposedly exploding)

 

[Ezekiel]

If you look closely at the guns in Predator, in some shots the barrel is pointing almost at the camera and you can just see the blank fire adaptor inside the muzzle. One of those things that once you know about it you can't unsee.

These little circles? Didn't know that. Or maybe I did and didn't pay it much mind. Thankfully, they're kind of discreet.

 

[Thaluikhain]

These little circles? Didn't know that. Or maybe I did and didn't pay it much mind. Thankfully, they're kind of discreet.

Yeah, those. Sure, they aren't movie killing or anything, just noticeable once I'd been told where to look.

It's like how after I learnt about muzzle and trigger discipline, I keep noticing it (or it's lack) in films. Trigger discipline would be so easy to portray right, just extend on finger about 2cm, but no, so often done wrong.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Inexperienced ‘Rust’ Armorer Enraged Nicolas Cage on Previous Film: ‘You Just Blew My F–ing Eardrums Out!’ (Exclusive)

A crew member demanded that armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed be fired, but she went on to handle guns on "Rust"

www.yahoo.com

Hollywood's rules were broken if "Rust" assistant director handled the gun before deadly shooting, armorer says

Dutch Merrick, an armorer and prop master with 25 years of experience, says industry regulations on firearms are supposed to keep sets safe.

www.cbsnews.com

There are a bunch of articles now about the armorer of the set fucking around with the guns before the accident and has had previous problems. Seems like this might have been this could fall on her.

 

[gorfias]

Yeah, those. Sure, they aren't movie killing or anything, just noticeable once I'd been told where to look.

It's like how after I learnt about muzzle and trigger discipline, I keep noticing it (or it's lack) in films. Trigger discipline would be so easy to portray right, just extend on finger about 2cm, but no, so often done wrong.

Could start a whole thread about knowing too much so that it can impact your enjoyment of movies. For instance, ordinarily, cars are not bullet proof. Hiding behind one is not necessarily going to help. Knowing that really harmed my enjoyment of the latest Shaft movie.
Now I'll forever be looking to see if people actually appear to be pointing guns at other actors in movie shoot outs.

 

[Cicada 5]

Rust assistant director was reportedly fired from past film due to previous on-set prop gun incident

Rust assistant director was reportedly fired from past film due to previous on-set prop gun incident

www.avclub.com

 

[Piscian]

Inexperienced ‘Rust’ Armorer Enraged Nicolas Cage on Previous Film: ‘You Just Blew My F–ing Eardrums Out!’ (Exclusive)

A crew member demanded that armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed be fired, but she went on to handle guns on "Rust"

www.yahoo.com

Hollywood's rules were broken if "Rust" assistant director handled the gun before deadly shooting, armorer says

Dutch Merrick, an armorer and prop master with 25 years of experience, says industry regulations on firearms are supposed to keep sets safe.

www.cbsnews.com

There are a bunch of articles now about the armorer of the set fucking around with the guns before the accident and has had previous problems. Seems like this might have been this could fall on her.

It'll be interesting to see what if any fallout there is. They may try and blow off repercussions and end up in an inevitable civil suit.

 

[CriticalGaming]

It'll be interesting to see what if any fallout there is. They may try and blow off repercussions and end up in an inevitable civil suit.

There should be. If nothing more than being criminally negligent. Possibly defamation on behalf of Baldwin since her fuck up is on him.

 

[gorfias]

 

[Ezekiel]

There should be. If nothing more than being criminally negligent. Possibly defamation on behalf of Baldwin since her fuck up is on him.

I'm not letting him off the hook, and I doubt he would sue for defamation, because that would make him look even worse in the eyes of all the people who still do think he is responsible too.

 

[Ezekiel]

"Baldwin was handed the gun and it fired in the direction of Halyna Hutchins and Joel Souza."

Guns can fire by themselves now.

Assistant Director admitted that he DIDN'T check Alec Baldwin's gun

At the press conference on Wednesday, Santa Fe County Sheriff Adam Mendoza said Baldwin, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and Dave Halls could face charges and are still being interviewed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

• Dave Halls told cops he only checked three of the gun's five chambers - one contained a live round
• He admitted in his initial interview that he 'should have checked them all but didn't'
• After the shooting, he marched the gun back to the armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and had her open it
• That's when they realized there were four dummy casings and the spent shell of the live round Baldwin fired
• Sheriffs said Wednesday that charges are 'on the table' for an array of people - including 63-year-old Baldwin
• Investigators recovered 500 rounds total including blanks, dummies and live rounds
• They didn't say how many of each type they found, but said they suspect other live bullets were fired
• There were 16 people inside the church when the shooting happened, all of whom will be interviewed
• Assistant Director Dave Halls and Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed both handled the gun before Baldwin
• The firearm used was a Pietta .45 long colt revolver and was one of three taken from the set
• Santa Fe County Sheriff Adam Mendoza said: 'There was some complacency on this set and there were safety issues'

 

[Thaluikhain]

• He admitted in his initial interview that he 'should have checked them all but didn't'

You don't say.

• The firearm used was a Pietta .45 long colt revolver and was one of three taken from the set

So the people were standing very close together, bullet went through one and hit another? I was suspected a shotgun (firing shot) or something.

 

[gorfias]

"Baldwin was handed the gun and it fired in the direction of Halyna Hutchins and Joel Souza."

Guns can fire by themselves now.

Assistant Director admitted that he DIDN'T check Alec Baldwin's gun

At the press conference on Wednesday, Santa Fe County Sheriff Adam Mendoza said Baldwin, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and Dave Halls could face charges and are still being interviewed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

• After the shooting, he marched the gun back to the armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and had her open it
• That's when they realized there were four dummy casings and the spent shell of the live round Baldwin fired

So we're told. By people who had to know they were in it deep. For all we know, it was simply loaded.
Just watched Hooper on HBO Max. Funny the popular misconceptions Hollywood projects about stunt men. The driver keeps saying the car has not built up enough pressure to make a jump. Then they do it anyway and hope for the best. From other things (ie behind the scenes of the cork screw bridge jump in The Man with the Golden Gun) I'd think they're typically super careful.

 

[Ezekiel]

So we're told. By people who had to know they were in it deep. For all we know, it was simply loaded.

How do you accidentally place four dummy rounds and one live cartridge in the cylinder? It kind of implies he wasn't even supposed to pull the trigger. They'll probably change the story again.

Also, as someone just pointed out on the other forum I'm checking, the police is probably furious that they tampered with evidence instead of just leaving the gun right there on the floor.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Could start a whole thread about knowing too much so that it can impact your enjoyment of movies. For instance, ordinarily, cars are not bullet proof. Hiding behind one is not necessarily going to help. Knowing that really harmed my enjoyment of the latest Shaft movie.
Now I'll forever be looking to see if people actually appear to be pointing guns at other actors in movie shoot outs.

I can see a funny scene on this in a movie.

Two cops get behind a car after being shot at.

Cop 1: You know, this car isn't going to do much if he starts spraying it with bullets.

Cop 2 gives Cop 1 a deadpan look

Cop 2: You rather stand out in the open where he can see us?

Cop 1: No...

Cop 2: Then shut the -bleep- up!

 

[gorfias]

How do you accidentally place four dummy rounds and one live cartridge in the cylinder? It kind of implies he wasn't even supposed to pull the trigger. They'll probably change the story again.

Also, as someone just pointed out on the other forum I'm checking, the police is probably furious that they tampered with evidence instead of just leaving the gun right there on the floor.

I hadn't even thought about it from a criminal evidence tampering point...just that it seemed likely that is exactly what they did. At a minimum, they should both be charged with that. You have a crime scene. 2 people shot. Who the hell is then taking the weapon away from that scene to "examine" it lawfully other than the investigating police.

I can see a funny scene on this in a movie...

I get your point. Just, in that movie, Shaft, people are acting like if they are in, or hiding behind a car, they're invincible! Not really a thing.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I'm hearing that the armorer had been out shooting cans with Baldwin before the accident. That might explain why live ammo was on the set and that someone may have simply left a live round in the "prop" gun.


So someone had to pick the gun up from her (the armorer) and hand it to Baldwin. Even if she left a live round in the gun, what are the duties of the go-between?

Not to be stereotypical, but that thumbnail image of her doesn’t scream “responsible” in any way shape or form. I’m left wondering what the hell kind of production outfit was this.

 

[Ezekiel]

Not to be stereotypical, but that thumbnail image of her doesn’t scream “responsible” in any way shape or form. I’m left wondering what the hell kind of production outfit was this.

There's much worse on her deleted social media. I just didn't wanna be that guy, so I haven't posted any of it.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Ya know what, I'll take that L. This lady just shouldn't have been on set.