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The difference being that Roe v Wade didn't establish those rules as the law, it established them as the maximum allowable regulation of abortion.
What are you trying to say, because this argument doesn't seem to be addressed to the topic.

At the point of abortion, a foetus has not been born alive. You can't terminate a pregnancy after the baby has been born, and (under English common law) you can't murder a person who has not been born alive. The born alive rule does not provide a basis for the regulation of abortion because, at the point it takes effect, an abortion has either already been carried out or is impossible.

The question of whether a baby is capable of being born alive (foetal viability) has nothing to do with the legal status of foetuses in regards to other crimes. The concept of foetal viability is not a part of English common law, since it was defined in an act of parliament.

The states with the strictest abortion laws are non-coincidentally similar to the laws in the UK, the states with the least strict abortion laws are more permissive than (I believe) anywhere else in the world.
I'm constantly baffled by why you think you're going to get away with this..

The UK is not a federation of member states, it is a unitary nation with devolved regional governments. The hypothetical question of what the "maximum allowable regulation" of abortion would be does not exist in the UK because there is no federal government. There can be as much or as little regulation as parliament decides to impose, because there is no authority higher than parliament in the UK.

So what you should be doing is comparing the abortion laws that actually exist in the UK with those that actually exist in the US. If you want compare some hypothetical minimally regulated US state against the hypothetical minimum amount of regulation allowed by UK law, well the minimum regulation allowed by UK law is literally nothing.

All states in the US impose a limit on abortion, with exceptions for the case of life and health (which also exist in the UK, and are less restrictive). Only one state, Virginia, places this limit later than the UK, at 25 weeks in comparison to 24 in the UK. However, Virginia also places extensive restrictions on abortion that do not exist in the UK. In fact, most US states have restrictions that don't exist in the UK, such as restricting the provision of abortion to minors, requiring mandatory counselling for anyone seeking an abortion, or requiring funding or insurance.

But really, looking at the legal system is the tip of the iceberg. The real horror is when we come down to the actual provision of abortion services. The numbers of locations providing abortion services in many US states is in the single figures. In the UK, abortion is provided through NHS hospitals or through registered private clinics under NHS or private funding. There are 150 private clinics and over 1000 NHS hospitals in the UK, and while not all hospitals will provide abortion services in practice, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of the availability of abortion services.

This is significant because restricted availability is effectively a restriction placed on abortion. If a patient has to wait for an appointment or wait until they have a day off work to drive across country, that effectively reduces the window in which abortion is available.

The comment that initiated this abortion tangent was Silvanus thinking that Conservatives in the UK aren't crazy about abortion like Republicans in the US, but the UK has more restrictive abortion laws already.
It doesn't, and they aren't. Silvanus is entirely correct.

Your understanding of the situation is so bizarre and warped that it's frankly unrecognizable to anyone familiar with the reality.

I despise the Tories more than practically any group of human beings on this planet. I would feed every single one of them into a wood chipper without a second of regret. If I could trash their record on abortion, I would love to do so, but I can't.
 
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Why should anybody take the UK government seriously?
Was that not one of the reasons people in the UK broke covid restrictions, that they did not take the government making (and blatantly breaking) the rules seriously?
 

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please, pretend more that you understand the situation in the Ukraine because you read something on cnn.com
And you definitely don't know your shit. You can stop with the armchair explanation and political science. No one's buying it. Don't bother with a retort or another dumb explanation, I won't be listening.

For that thing the CIA & US tried to do in 2015 with Ukraine: you are a bunch of fucking morons. I'll play these clips for you.


 

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Behind the scenes at Liz Truss' meeting with Sergei Lavrov.

Lavrov asks Truss whether she recognises Russia's sovereignty over Rostov and Voronezh oblasts.

Truss says the UK would "never".

Someone then has to inform Truss that Rostov and Voronezh are not in Ukraine.


We truly are represented by a bunch of fucking clowns, who don't have any grasp of their responsibilities or their brief. Why should anybody take the UK government seriously? This reminds me of David Davis turning up to Brexit negotiations with a couple of loose pages of notes, while his EU counterparts had full folders with all the necessary detail.
I heard about her on the radio yesterday.
 

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Just to add on to this, asking someone who actually lives there what they think.
 

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Pretty sure that would count as woke world rather than Anti-woke because of how it relates to drug decriminalisation
I was more talking about the over reaction and denigration coming out of place like Fox

I'd also wish that Geraldo wasn't the one 'selling' this idea to that crowd. I don't think he fully understands what he's talking about
 

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I was more talking about the over reaction and denigration coming out of place like Fox

I'd also wish that Geraldo wasn't the one 'selling' this idea to that crowd. I don't think he fully understands what he's talking about
I mean Fox probably is onto something even if they're not right.

The whole crack pipe program is in the name of hygiene and preventing disease. You know in those well know bastions of cleanliness and hygiene that are crack dens........
 

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I heard about her on the radio yesterday.
It's a cheap shot in a way - to an extent, Truss doesn't need to give a shit what bits of Ukraine and Russia are called, just so long as the point is made that Russia doesn't own the bits of Ukraine it de facto controls. Nevertheless, it's suggestive of lack of preparation and attention to detail. She is pretty useles: a blunt force ideologue, lacking the wit or wiles to fill the role of foreign secretary, more busy enjoying private jets, fine wine and expensive foreign restaurants. She'd be more suited to the Home Office, although that's only in the sense that she'd be mildly poor instead of severely.

But that's what we all know: Boris filled the cabinet with incompetents, because one of the things weak people often do is surround themselves with weaker people. Weak subordinates are both dependent on the leader and less able to challenge them. Admittedly, probably no-one's as useless as Nadine Dorries, who because she has no hope of ever getting a useful post without Johnson, is unsurprisingly his strongest advocate.
 
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Maybe Russia should have respected Ukraine's independence. And I wonder what kind of magnificent groups can be found among the eastern Separatists.
Yes, but remember that if we let an independent nation be turned into a vassal state by their oppressive neighbour rather than be part of the evil capitalist collective that is The West, that's automatically an improvement.
 
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Texas GOP candidate complains that trans kids aren't getting bullied and that she wasn't allowed to direct the bullying



The UK wants to add impossible conditions for being trans:



See, in order to *get* a GRC, you have to have been using those spaces for two years...which you wouldn't be able to do without a GRC
 
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Texas GOP candidate complains that trans kids aren't getting bullied and that she wasn't allowed to direct the bullying



The UK wants to add impossible conditions for being trans:



See, in order to *get* a GRC, you have to have been using those spaces for two years...which you wouldn't be able to do without a GRC
They're doing this just to be dicks. The cruelty is always the point.
 
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Texas GOP candidate complains that trans kids aren't getting bullied and that she wasn't allowed to direct the bullying



The UK wants to add impossible conditions for being trans:



See, in order to *get* a GRC, you have to have been using those spaces for two years...which you wouldn't be able to do without a GRC
I do like how when the candidate said she was mad she had to stop kids from laughing at a student she just shut down for a minute, realizing how what she said was going to play on the news, and then dropped the tangent to say a boilerplate response.
 

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I mean Fox probably is onto something even if they're not right.

The whole crack pipe program is in the name of hygiene and preventing disease. You know in those well know bastions of cleanliness and hygiene that are crack dens........
It's meant to be given out and used under care of a nurse. Who will hopefully get them the help they need to get them off addictions. You known, as Geraldo fumbled over

You know when you worry about people being cancelled and them being reduced to nothing? This is the example of what you are worried about. People with addictions have been cancelled so hard that even this minimalistic help is seen as bad. I know drug users who work full time and usually the best workers. Never stolen anything or hurt anyone. Most user fall into this category. They wouldn't generally tell anyone about what they do in the off time because all drug users get cancelled. (Well, unless you're rich and can turn it into a character trait.)

But hey, don't worry about evidence. Just insult people so they be put on the bottom of society
 

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Australia is having a kerfuffle over anti-trans rights as well, in the guise of religious freedom.