What are you trying to say, because this argument doesn't seem to be addressed to the topic.The difference being that Roe v Wade didn't establish those rules as the law, it established them as the maximum allowable regulation of abortion.
At the point of abortion, a foetus has not been born alive. You can't terminate a pregnancy after the baby has been born, and (under English common law) you can't murder a person who has not been born alive. The born alive rule does not provide a basis for the regulation of abortion because, at the point it takes effect, an abortion has either already been carried out or is impossible.
The question of whether a baby is capable of being born alive (foetal viability) has nothing to do with the legal status of foetuses in regards to other crimes. The concept of foetal viability is not a part of English common law, since it was defined in an act of parliament.
I'm constantly baffled by why you think you're going to get away with this..The states with the strictest abortion laws are non-coincidentally similar to the laws in the UK, the states with the least strict abortion laws are more permissive than (I believe) anywhere else in the world.
The UK is not a federation of member states, it is a unitary nation with devolved regional governments. The hypothetical question of what the "maximum allowable regulation" of abortion would be does not exist in the UK because there is no federal government. There can be as much or as little regulation as parliament decides to impose, because there is no authority higher than parliament in the UK.
So what you should be doing is comparing the abortion laws that actually exist in the UK with those that actually exist in the US. If you want compare some hypothetical minimally regulated US state against the hypothetical minimum amount of regulation allowed by UK law, well the minimum regulation allowed by UK law is literally nothing.
All states in the US impose a limit on abortion, with exceptions for the case of life and health (which also exist in the UK, and are less restrictive). Only one state, Virginia, places this limit later than the UK, at 25 weeks in comparison to 24 in the UK. However, Virginia also places extensive restrictions on abortion that do not exist in the UK. In fact, most US states have restrictions that don't exist in the UK, such as restricting the provision of abortion to minors, requiring mandatory counselling for anyone seeking an abortion, or requiring funding or insurance.
But really, looking at the legal system is the tip of the iceberg. The real horror is when we come down to the actual provision of abortion services. The numbers of locations providing abortion services in many US states is in the single figures. In the UK, abortion is provided through NHS hospitals or through registered private clinics under NHS or private funding. There are 150 private clinics and over 1000 NHS hospitals in the UK, and while not all hospitals will provide abortion services in practice, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of the availability of abortion services.
This is significant because restricted availability is effectively a restriction placed on abortion. If a patient has to wait for an appointment or wait until they have a day off work to drive across country, that effectively reduces the window in which abortion is available.
It doesn't, and they aren't. Silvanus is entirely correct.The comment that initiated this abortion tangent was Silvanus thinking that Conservatives in the UK aren't crazy about abortion like Republicans in the US, but the UK has more restrictive abortion laws already.
Your understanding of the situation is so bizarre and warped that it's frankly unrecognizable to anyone familiar with the reality.
I despise the Tories more than practically any group of human beings on this planet. I would feed every single one of them into a wood chipper without a second of regret. If I could trash their record on abortion, I would love to do so, but I can't.
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