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Generals

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That law is weird, and was essentially designed to be struck down by the courts. It's like a test run on a round-about way of enforcing law, and if it wasn't controversial, they'd never really get the test.
Is it though? It still hasn't been struck down and abortions have dropped by 60%. I think it was a test to see how far they could go and if it passes it probably predicts dark days for other very conservative/red states.
 

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Uh... whuh? The UK has no need for charitities to run abortion clinics, because they're free at delivery through the National Health Service.
I understand the obviousness, the other user made a dumb comment, they'll figure it out.
Is it though? It still hasn't been struck down and abortions have dropped by 60%. I think it was a test to see how far they could go and if it passes it probably predicts dark days for other very conservative/red states.
The number of surgical abortions in Texas dropped by 60% in the first month, but that's relative to a higher than average month before it took effect, and doesn't account for a rise in medical abortions. But like, the unique aspect of the law is that it formulates the enforcement as civil cases between people rather than state prosecution, which means it's not going to go through the courts until somebody sues another person for performing an abortion... which nobody is actually doing, so the law just sits around doing nothing. Eventually there will be a case to challenge, and the law's gonna get slapped down.
 

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Well, the worst off people aren't paying income tax in either case, but are burdened by 20% VAT in one country.
And burdened by threadbare social security and healthcare in the other.

But that wasn't my question. "Who is worse off" was in reference to the minimum wage worker you put forward. Who in the UK, is burdened by VAT, but who earns more, has a much higher chunk of income untaxed, and needn't shell out on top of that for healthcare. And can still claim other tax deductions which their US counterpart must opt out of in order to get the standard deduction.

Hell, if we were making the comparison a bit more direct, we should add health insurance payments to the bill for the US citizens.
 

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Hell, if we were making the comparison a bit more direct, we should add health insurance payments to the bill for the US citizens.
Probably not, because there you're paying into the national insurance program, and here the minimum wage worker gets Medicaid. Not quite the comparison you were hoping for.
 

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Probably not, because there you're paying into the national insurance program, and here the minimum wage worker gets Medicaid. Not quite the comparison you were hoping for.
Ohhh. This using the Medicaid eligibility criteria introduced under the ACA, which the Republicans have been trying ceaselessly to repeal?

The criteria which 15 Republican states refused to implement, meaning that most employees in those states are ineligible? That one?
 
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Uh... whuh? The UK has no need for charitities to run abortion clinics, because they're free at delivery through the National Health Service.
I mean, to be fair, some abortion clinics in the UK are run by commissioned charities, though the procedures are typically funded by the NHS.

The British Pregnancy Advisory Service is a charity. It carries out about 1/3rd of the abortions in the UK, and has around 70 clinics. Even if BPAS was the only provider of abortions in the UK, there would still be more clinics relative to the population in the UK than in many US states. But it's not, it's a supplement to a wider system.
 

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The number of surgical abortions in Texas dropped by 60% in the first month, but that's relative to a higher than average month before it took effect, and doesn't account for a rise in medical abortions. But like, the unique aspect of the law is that it formulates the enforcement as civil cases between people rather than state prosecution, which means it's not going to go through the courts until somebody sues another person for performing an abortion... which nobody is actually doing, so the law just sits around doing nothing. Eventually there will be a case to challenge, and the law's gonna get slapped down.
Laws allegedly doing nothing usually do something. It creates legal insecurity, even if it isn't enforced in the majority of cases there is still the chance you may be the one who will get sued with all the consequences.
We have mandatory voting and can technically be fined if we don't go vote, however said law is never applied either. This doesn't prevent us from having voter turnouts sitting around 90%. Because even if we know that the law is never applied we don't know if it will always be the case and the last thing you'd want is being that guy who does get fined because the government suddenly decided to enforce it.
 

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Halftime show news: Somehow sexy? I mean, I saw it, but ancient rappers in track suits and Mary J Blige isn't really my thing, sexytimes wise. Not that they didn't look great, for people nearing retirement age
 

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Is it though? It still hasn't been struck down and abortions have dropped by 60%. I think it was a test to see how far they could go and if it passes it probably predicts dark days for other very conservative/red states.
Personally I'm hoping Newsom follows through on his threat to take the language from SB 8 and apply it to rifles, and find out how loud conservatives can scream "second amendment" before a lawyer can smugly say "it doesn't violate the constitution".
 
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Halftime show news: Somehow sexy? I mean, I saw it, but ancient rappers in track suits and Mary J Blige isn't really my thing, sexytimes wise. Not that they didn't look great, for people nearing retirement age
Charlie Kirk keeps ironically making all this "woke" behaviour sound even more awesome. I mean, a "league of sexual anarchy"; Hell yeah, I'm there!
 

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Laws allegedly doing nothing usually do something. It creates legal insecurity, even if it isn't enforced in the majority of cases there is still the chance you may be the one who will get sued with all the consequences.
We have mandatory voting and can technically be fined if we don't go vote, however said law is never applied either. This doesn't prevent us from having voter turnouts sitting around 90%. Because even if we know that the law is never applied we don't know if it will always be the case and the last thing you'd want is being that guy who does get fined because the government suddenly decided to enforce it.
If I were an abortion provider in Texas right now, I would be looking for a lawyer that wants to make headlines to sue us pro bono just to force the issue.