Space Bar, you savage.(we still press "A" to jump, right?)
Space Bar, you savage.(we still press "A" to jump, right?)
Okay how about this: "A or B" to Jump, Space Bar to Jump, Cross to Jump (Sony Consoles), or all of the aboveSpace Bar, you savage.
I will accept this.Okay how about this: "A or B" to Jump, Space Bar to Jump, Cross to Jump (Sony Consoles), or all of the above
Are we debating that we shouldn't be jumping in games anymore?I will accept this.
(we still press "A" to jump, right?)
No, we're being inclusive on control schemes.Are we debating that we shouldn't be jumping in games anymore?
My apologies if my taking your hyperbolic misrepresenting my sentiments as direct attacks misled me to construe your own as very lopsided. I don't recall saying "I don't give a shit if you don't agree, fuck you," but if your own misrepresentations of what I actually said are how you took it, know that it was not my intention. Next time, quote me directly, and I can address you in kind.I am not assuming you're wrong. I'm explaining why I don't agree with you. That is how coversation works, I set out a general point, you rebuke that point, I then disbute your counter point, and back and forth we go. Discussion needs to happen on some level of good faith, and we have to both assume that neither of us is disagreeing with each other out of hate but merely to share point of views.
The idea of "I don't give a shit if you don't agree, fuck you" is not really condusive to having a conversation is it? I never claimed you were wrong objectively or otherwise, I disagree with you sure, but that doesn't automatically make either of us wrong or right. Just that we state on opposite sides of a line and should be able to converse back and forth about it and perhaps we can find common ground......for example....
Hence my point, that gaming has changed in a direction I feel is closer towards the negative than the positive or even neutral. I'm happy you got a FFVII remaster you're happy with, but some of us would much rather have had a NEW FF (not me; I don't care, but it adds to my point of the lack of creative effort in the era of modern gaming that they're reaching back to +20 year remakes to garner positive attention.)This is an exceptional point. And I am hard pressed to even consider FPS options that do not have some form of extra monetization within them.
But can we agree that those business practices are worse and more prolific than in the past?Business practices everywhere have been bad. And I wont argue that. However I would also argue that business practices were never great in the industry as a whole. Even in the infancy of publishers there was a push to pump out as much trash into the market as possible. Hell Atari games didn't even let developers have their names in the games. Credits didn't become a thing shit....mid 90's? Something like that. The industry in a way has always tried to rob the artist right?
And that's the point I really wanted to make. I never really intended to say that today's gaming is better than yesteryear's gaming. But rather, to point out that the shit that we complain about today has always been there to various degrees and "Modern gaming" isn't all that different. Just more well documented I guess.
You honestly expect me to believe that had these modern practices been as pronounced as they are today 15 years ago, it wouldn't' have garnered the same amount of ire that has led this thread to 2 pages already? If 20 years ago 3 out of 20 cops were bad cops, yeah, it'd have been a problem. But 15 out of 20 cops today is appreciably different, so dismissing it as "the same problem" is, well, extremely dismissive.Personally I think that gaming itself is better than it has ever been. It's hard to argue that Final Fantasy 13 is worst than the original game on the NES for example, objectively it is a better game in every aspect.
Additionally I think we, as grown people, also are more aware of things that happen within our hobbies. Game magazines didn't report that kind of thing back then so the information is mostly learned in retrospect. But today there are tons of websites that will let you know of every dirty deal going on at Naughty Dog studios or whatever, and we are more aware of the controversies and shady shit going down because it's simply way more documented now.
In a way gaming has always sucked in that regard.
I don't think "overwhelmingly the exceptions" is admitting they're "exceptions," quite the opposite, but continue to read my words as they suit your narrative. You're biased. And that's fine. Gaming is entertainment. If you think it's better than it's ever been, that's fine too. I disagree.But you admit that these issues are exceptions, thus being the equivalent to the "vocal minority" of games? They cast a big shadow but I don't think that means they have to taint all the good shit that still comes out every year. It doesn't have to mean that modern gaming sucks. It just has cancer.
Don't forget that this is a remake of game that people were duped in to buying twice at full price (a game split into two at $60+), while you had some others complains about Tifa's boob size being "too small". That is not a net positive for gaming as a whole, and is more corporate nostalgia manipulation.Hence my point, that gaming has changed in a direction I feel is closer towards the negative than the positive or even neutral. I'm happy you got a FFVII remaster you're happy with, but some of us would much rather have had a NEW FF (not me; I don't care, but it adds to my point of the lack of creative effort in the era of modern gaming that they're reaching back to +20 remakes to garner positive attention.)
Thank you. Glad to see some others that get it.I don't think "overwhelming the exceptions" is admit they're exceptions, but continue to read my words as they suit your narrative. You're biased. And that's fine. Gaming is entertainment. If you think it's better than it's ever been, that's fine too. I disagree.
Welcome to (hopefully) Late Stage Capitalism. Are there any industries where the same question doesn't apply?But can we agree that those business practices are worse and more prolific than in the past?
ACABIf 20 years ago 3 out of 20 cops were bad cops
Sorry, I'm a console pleb.Space Bar, you savage.
Not so literally, but... yeah.Actually, I've changed my mind. Ever since PRINTED manuals thick enough to choke a goat with disappeared gaming has sucked beyond the point of recovery.
If it makes you feel any better, niche Japanese games, AA games and most indie games with physical releases actually get a full color manual of some kind. Won't choke a goat, but at least its something.Actually, I've changed my mind. Ever since PRINTED manuals thick enough to choke a goat with disappeared gaming has sucked beyond the point of recovery.
I miss being able to read up on ALL the controls and whatnot instead of shitty tutorial levels that miss half the important stuff... and also the fluff in manuals was, imo, better for immersion than NPCs that agressively spurt exposition at you without any provocation.Not so literally, but... yeah.
Due to the mentioned documentation issue, this is debatable. The interpersonal relationships within these businesses is certainly worse as I don't think sexual harassment was much of a problem when companies where basically all men. So that much as certainly gotten fucked up.But can we agree that those business practices are worse and more prolific than in the past?
Just means that this is a discussable topic. Which is great. Discussion on a discussion forum. Mission Accomplished!You honestly expect me to believe that had these modern practices been as pronounced as they are today 15 years ago, it wouldn't' have garnered the same amount of ire that has led this thread to 2 pages already?
i mean a new FF is on the way. FF 16 was announced over a year ago. And FF15 was only 6 years ago which for modern FF games is a short wait. And as we know there have been a few extrenuous circumstances that have likely affected development of all games being worked on since 2019.Hence my point, that gaming has changed in a direction I feel is closer towards the negative than the positive or even neutral. I'm happy you got a FFVII remaster you're happy with, but some of us would much rather have had a NEW FF
Due to the mentioned documentation issue, this is debatable.
Because they know they have nothing else to stand on otherwise. Or they're not interesting, nor have much talent outside of their hobby. Any criticism of the industry and its problems are "an attack" on their pathetic egos and insecurities.I'm so tired of being told my disenchantment is illegitimate. Funny how they always care so much, like they have to defend the state of gaming or movies.
We just didn't notice them.But can we agree that those business practices are worse and more prolific than in the past?