Why You Should Have Your Eye On Florida

[TheMysteriousGX]

Well, you see, you made up the "socially" part wholesale, and then applied restrictions on adults to the children themselves. So, perhaps I should ask, what are you lying for?

The "restrictions on adults" mean that the kids can't get gender affirming care of any kind.

All you have are particularly pathetic semantic arguments, all to defend a criminal AG ignoring medical advice so he can hurt kids.

Just a while thread on why that order's bullshit. But hey, I'm sure to have a pithy comeback about a misplaced apostrophe

Correct. If you want to blame someone for the result, you blame the people who gave that order and provided the means. You wouldn't prosecute an assembly line worker for installing faulty parts in a car, you would prosecute the company. It's different if the police are brutalizing people in violation of policy, then they ought to be prosecuted, but if someone is told "you clear the crowd, you use bean bag rounds to do so" and then try and put them in prison for firing bean bag rounds when ordered to clear a crowd, that is wrong.

Making a *lot* of assumptions right now, specifically the thought that the city said "clear that area, I don't care how many non-violent protestors you have to brutalize to do it"

 

[tstorm823]

Just a while thread on why that order's bullshit. But hey, I'm sure to have a pithy comeback about a misplaced apostrophe

Oh my god! A twitter thread! From a lawyer that chases LGBT issues like ambulances! Man, doesn't get more authoritative than that.

Making a *lot* of assumptions right now, specifically the thought that the city said "clear that area, I don't care how many non-violent protestors you have to brutalize to do it"

The city did say "clear the bridge they're blocking". The city did issue them the tools they used to do so. These are not assumptions.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Oh my god! A twitter thread! From a lawyer that chases LGBT issues like ambulances! Man, doesn't get more authoritative than that.

Ad hominem attack, not an argument. What's next, "can't use the ACLU, they care too much"?

The city did say "clear the bridge they're blocking". The city did issue them the tools they used to do so. These are not assumptions.

Also issued them a gun, doesn't mean they can just do whatever with it.

 

[Silvanus]

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You said it only applied to procedures that might cause sterilisation, a very rare few instances.

It covers puberty blockers. Which almost never cause sterilisation, are usually reversible, and are one of the most common medical approaches.

You're categorically wrong. It prevents pretty much all medical approaches, both surgical and hormonal, regardless of risk of sterilisation. It makes physical transition borderline impossible for kids without moving out of state.

 

[tstorm823]

Ad hominem attack, not an argument. What's next, "can't use the ACLU, they care too much"?

Yup, you got me. For half of one post, I acted like you.

Also issued them a gun, doesn't mean they can just do whatever with it.

Right, but they told them what they should and shouldn't do with the gun, and if they stay in the "should" category, the blame lands on the policy, not the person.

It makes physical transition borderline impossible for kids without moving out of state.

If only... if only...

 

[Buyetyen]

The latest exchange in this thread only furthers my belief that Republicans as a whole are evil and actively competing to see who can be the worst human being. It's the only rational response to policies like Greg Abbott's attack on trans kids and the unconditional support he's receiving from the Republican rank and file.

 

[Silvanus]

If only... if only...

"If only"? So you genuinely believe gender-affirming medical practices, including reversible hormonal ones, should be banned?

If so, then there's nothing much more to discuss, it's just sheer fucking prejudice.

 

[tstorm823]

"If only"? So you genuinely believe gender-affirming medical practices, including reversible hormonal ones, should be banned?

If so, then there's nothing much more to discuss, it's just sheer fucking prejudice.

Every generation since the dawn of modern medicine has found a new angle to try and medicate the problems out of children. There are certainly people helped by medication, but more people would be protected by not doing these over-diagnosis fads.

 

[Buyetyen]

over-diagnosis fads.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh Christ, you people still believe that shit? Pics or it didn't happen. Also, you're basically admitting to being an anti-trans bigot. Not a great flex.

 

[Cheetodust]

"If only"? So you genuinely believe gender-affirming medical practices, including reversible hormonal ones, should be banned?

If so, then there's nothing much more to discuss, it's just sheer fucking prejudice.

You could have just asked "so you are Catholic?"

 

[tstorm823]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh Christ, you people still believe that shit? Pics or it didn't happen. Also, you're basically admitting to being an anti-trans bigot. Not a great flex.

You want to medicate children to better conform to transient social norms. You say still like I have outdated ideas, but the future will look back on your viewpoint quite bleakly.

 

[thebobmaster]

As someone who is currently trying to determine my gender identity at the age of 33, tstorm, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

 

[tstorm823]

As someone who is currently trying to determine my gender identity at the age of 33, tstorm, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

I do not know you or your situation, no. I will not deny your right to determine who you are for yourself. But I understand the broad concepts. Gender is a collection of social perceptions. Gender transition is taking a person who does not conform to those social norms and altering them to conform. Medically transitioning children is physically altering them to conform to society. Feel free to tell me which of these statements is wrong.

 

[thebobmaster]

On a very basic, taking what you are saying strictly as is, not necessarily any of it. Other than saying that medically transitioning TEENS (because I'm not exactly hearing of transgender preteens, because puberty tends to be where the hormones really kick in) is more of a chemical alteration than a physical one. What you are leaving out, however, is quite a lot. For example, the fact that unless there is a big conspiracy that I'm missing, parents aren't grabbing their kids and dragging them to doctors to force a sex change because they want a daughter instead of a son. Instead, it seems to be...the teen themselves who want the HRT, who want to be "altered", as you put it.

From my personal experience, coming to grips with your gender when it doesn't match what society says it should is not something done lightly. You seem to believe people are seeking HRT or other therapies lightly, on a whim, and they need to be stopped from hopping on some sort of bandwagon. I can tell you that it's not that simple.

 

[Silvanus]

Every generation since the dawn of modern medicine has found a new angle to try and medicate the problems out of children. There are certainly people helped by medication, but more people would be protected by not doing these over-diagnosis fads.

The research is unequivocal that gender affirmation therapies have a high success rate, and do much more good than harm.

The only reason you're lazily equating it with a "fad" is wilful ignorance and prejudicial notions about people you don't like.

 

[Buyetyen]

You want to medicate children to better conform to transient social norms. You say still like I have outdated ideas, but the future will look back on your viewpoint quite bleakly.

You want to bet money on that?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

You want to medicate children to better conform to transient social norms. You say still like I have outdated ideas, but the future will look back on your viewpoint quite bleakly.

As yes, the widely accepted social norm of *checks notes* ...being trans.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

If only... if only...

I love it when the "small government for me; iron-fisted government control for thee" crowd outs itself.

 

[tstorm823]

You seem to believe people are seeking HRT or other therapies lightly, on a whim, and they need to be stopped from hopping on some sort of bandwagon. I can tell you that it's not that simple.

Literally everything a teenager does is a whim, the majority of them on bandwagons. They do not have skills in informed decision making yet. This is not restricted to gender.

The research is unequivocal that gender affirmation therapies have a high success rate, and do much more good than harm.

Placebos are notoriously good at improving people's perception of their health, yes. Especially with children, who have nearly 100% success rate being treated by a kiss on the booboo.

You want to bet money on that?

Sure, but I doubt either of us will remember in a couple decades.

As yes, the widely accepted social norm of *checks notes* ...being trans.

It's really not even worth my time explaining how wrong you got that.

I love it when the "small government for me; iron-fisted government control for thee" crowd outs itself.

As though I've ever ever been shy about my positions.

 

[thebobmaster]

Looks like I found my breaking point. You want to believe teenagers just get HRT for the lulz, go ahead. I won't see any reply you make to this, or any of your other posts for that matter. You live in your world, I'll live in mine, there's no convincing either of us that we are mistaken. Hope you have fun with this discussion with the others. It's an A and B discussion, and I'm C'ing my way out.