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This was all a diabolical plot by NATO to force a Russian invasion so they would look bad?
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Flip the script. Apply the same rationale to the USA. The USA is a nuclear power; denying its demands could lead to nuclear war. So tell me: is it the moral thing to do for states to just capitulate to whatever demands the USA makes? Refusing will lead to more invasions! If they just did whatever the US wanted, the US wouldn't need to invade!

I fail to see how this isn't functionally identical to your own reasoning.
The problem appears to be that you are applying your moral principles universally rather than selectively on the basis of if it advances the interests of countries you like or hinders the interests of the countries you don't.
 

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Flip the script. Apply the same rationale to the USA. The USA is a nuclear power; denying its demands could lead to nuclear war. So tell me: is it the moral thing to do for states to just capitulate to whatever demands the USA makes? Refusing will lead to more invasions! If they just did whatever the US wanted, the US wouldn't need to invade!

I fail to see how this isn't functionally identical to your own reasoning.
Are Mexico, Canada, Cuba, Guatemala, and others set to station Russian or Chinese nuclear missiles? Because whether I approve or not, the United States would absolutely remove any government from power that was that close and did so, no question. So I would tend to advise against actually threatening the security of the United States in such a way.

Note how far away that situation is from "Saddam Hussein tried to kill my daddy" and "our CIA lied about WMD".

The problem appears to be that you are applying your moral principles universally rather than selectively on the basis of if it advances the interests of countries you like or hinders the interests of the countries you don't.
The problem is that Silvanus is applying his moral principles stupidly. The United States doesn't have to deal with shit like the encroachment of NATO because there isn't any other military alliance as brazen about threatening the security of a nuclear power.
 
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The problem is that Silvanus is applying his moral principles stupidly. The United States doesn't have to deal with shit like the encroachment of NATO because there isn't any other military alliance as brazen about threatening the security of a nuclear power.
Putin is a conservative, right. If something doesnt go the conservatives way, they will claim it the end of the world and it threatens the very fabric of society.

That's what's Putin is doing here. it doesnt matter if there is a NATO or not, a bunch of countries disagree with the invasion, thus the invasion is acceptable. The very notion of ANYONE thinking that invasion is not acceptable is threatening. Thus any damage is acceptable

What Putin is doing is the exact thing Trump was doing against a variety of countries during his tenure. Blaming other entities for their own failures. Stop falling for the bait. Otherwise, sign up as a journalist for FOX.
 
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Putin is a conservative, right. If something doesnt go the conservatives way, they will claim it the end of the world and it threatens the very fabric of society.

That's what's Putin is doing here. it doesnt matter if there is a NATO or not, a bunch of countries disagree with the invasion, thus the invasion is acceptable. The very notion of ANYONE thinking that invasion is not acceptable is threatening. Thus any damage is acceptable

What Putin is doing is the exact thing Trump was doing against a variety of countries during his tenure. Blaming other entities for their own failures. Stop falling for the bait. Otherwise, sign up as a journalist for FOX.
Trump was telling Canada, Mexico, and Cuba not to be part of a hostile military alliance else he was going to invade? I honestly don't remember that. Are you sure?
 
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Also report that Kazhakstain denied help request from Russia, Putin might be really isolated in this.
He's got Belereus though.

Ukraine army is still incredibly impressive, but I feel like every loss Putin suffer push him closer to drastic actions. Which seem more likely: he accept defeat and parlay or he decide to indiscriminately bomb the population and, worse case scenario, he reach for the nuclear option?
I can't see Putin using nukes. He wants to annex (part of) Ukraine, so good luck doing that in an irradiated site.

On the other, Russian forces have already made it to the capital, so I don't see Ukraine holding out. Much as I'd love to imagine otherwise, I don't see this going anywhere except in Russia's favour. :(
 

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Yeah no, this is an easy one. Ukraine and Russia might have peace talks? Even the hint that this could be resolved without dumping a ton of weapons on the place? No! Never! You over there, stop pretending like you aren't going to fight to the death!
 
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If you see a Yandex food delivery robot... Get in it's way. It's the largest Russian tech company.
 

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Neo-Nazis take first opportunity to declare Jewish president a traitor. Must have been killing them to wait this long.

If you see a Yandex food delivery robot... Get in it's way. It's the largest Russian tech company.
sounds asinine and pointless
 

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I guess the Trump cult never forgave Ukraine for not making up dirt about Hunter Biden.
No, they just like Putin because he's a racist, bigoted, conservative white president who indiscriminately gets to throw his weight around, and that shit just gives them a huge boner.
 

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Neo-Nazis take first opportunity to declare Jewish president a traitor. Must have been killing them to wait this long.



sounds asinine and pointless
I implied I would be doing more then just blocking it...