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When the Russians, and Chinese 'help' a country it becomes North Korea a place where people have to eat grass, I would rather not eat grass, and I would rather the Ukrainians not have to eat grass.
There are plenty of countries in the world where people have had to eat grass, or worse than grass, in the recent past.

Unlike most of those countries, North Korea hasn't been receiving much in the way of foreign assistance from anyone in a very long time.

Also, Cuba has dirt roads.
Most countries have dirt roads. What is your point?

When the US helps a country seriously it becomes Chile and South Korea where people have enough to eat, and become 1st world economies.
Approximately one in four households in South Korea are unable to afford sufficient food to support a healthy life.
 
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There are plenty of countries in the world where people have had to eat grass, or worse than grass, in the recent past.

Unlike most of those countries, North Korea hasn't been receiving much in the way of foreign assistance from anyone in a very long time.



Most countries have dirt roads. What is your point?



Approximately one in four households in South Korea are unable to afford sufficient food to support a healthy life.
I believe you were responding to me. And I rather not be hungry, poor, and dirty if Russia/China/NK/Cuba win the new coming Cold War 2 due to their economic mismanagement.
 

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I've noticed something with tankies that I've also noticed with those on the real fringes of the far-right. The way they talk about history is very similar. They both reject conventional historiography, sometimes pointing to how we're given simplified narratives for issues that are far more complex. The only problem is, they take this as a form of deliberate deception, and then assume those they were told were the good guys are bad, and vice versa. Tankies do this with the Cold War (see Grover Furr,), and neo-Fascists do it with WWII (David Irving).
Eh, I can sorta understand that, I was a bit like that in my teens. The same people who keep lying about everything were the ones saying Russia (etc) was bad, so I mentally put that in the same basket as stuff about how wonderful the US was/is.
 

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Not sure if posted but good -


From the comments -
Isaac Bruner
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This man has a PhD in War Studies from King's College London. His thesis was about the Rwandan genocide. So if there was ever any doubt, he's pretty well-qualified to talk about this stuff.
 
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Oh, and they are apparently suspending those meerkats that talk about insurance for the duration. That'll show 'em.
 

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So I just went to a defense forum, and they mentioned something that didn't factor into my analysis, Putin could use a tactical nuclear weapon if NATO airpower strikes that 40 miles convey of Russian military vehicle, so the Ukrainians are in a no-win situation. Endure the airstrikes, fuel-air munitions, and missiles, or get a no-fly zone, and get nuked. And in some ways when you look at it from their side; their military is weaker, has poorer training, and they have fewer allies so no they can't do Iraqi freedom where the US didn't use nukes and did network-centric warfare/modern blitzkrieg.

I am starting to think China will do the same thing intervene in Taiwan, and we do nuclear brinksmanship.

But at what point does this nuclear blackmail end. Does it end with a US-China standoff over the second island chain, the third, the fourth, etc? Does it end with Putin taking Moldova, what about Romania? the Baltic States, Poland?

At this point, the only thing stopping expansionist dictators is conventional military power and spending.

Buckle up, the 21st century is about to get more bloody.

Edit: By their side, I meant the Russians.
 
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So I just went to a defense forum, and they mentioned something that didn't factor into my analysis, Putin could use a tactical nuclear weapon if NATO airpower strikes that 40 miles convey of Russian military vehicle, so the Ukrainians are in a no-win situation. Endure the airstrikes, fuel-air munitions, and missiles, or get a no-fly zone, and get nuked. And in some ways when you look at it from their side; their military is weaker, has poorer training, and they have fewer allies so no they can't do Iraqi freedom where the US didn't use nukes and did network-centric warfare/modern blitzkrieg.

I am starting to think China will do the same thing intervene in Taiwan, and we do nuclear brinksmanship.

But at what point does this nuclear blackmail end. Does it end with a US-China standoff over the second island chain, the third, the fourth, etc? Does it end with Putin taking Moldova, what about Romania? the Baltic States, Poland?

At this point, the only thing stopping expansionist dictators is conventional military power and spending.

Buckle up, the 21st century is about to get more bloody.
Rather than direct hit bombing of the convoy, choosing a place on the road or a bridge ahead of them to make impassable would be the best option.
 

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Rather than direct hit bombing of the convoy, choosing a place on the road or a bridge ahead of them to make impassable would be the best option.
I repair the bridge in X amount of time; your move.
 

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And now Lindsey Graham is openly calling for Putin's assassination on Twitter, because that's smart.
To be fair to the man from what I've heard that's the only way this wars stopping that doesn't does involve Ukraine being conquered or burned to the ground.

Putin is off his rocker
 
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And now Lindsey Graham is openly calling for Putin's assassination on Twitter, because that's smart.
So how does he feel about his BFF Donald continually praising the fucker?

Or is it another one of those things he's willing to overlook because.... something something reasons
 

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And now Lindsey Graham is openly calling for Putin's assassination on Twitter, because that's smart.
Because a power vacuum in nuclear-armed Russia is totally what we need. Also, this opens pandora's box, which means the Russians can plot Biden's assassination which is why presidents typically in the modern-day don't assassinate high-powered world leaders unless it's a much less powerful state like Maduro's.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine is going to lead to more wars as my professor on IR Bear Braumoeller put it, wars have not stopped despite some people thinking they have.

Like this guy.


In the end, we are all just soldiers whether it's for fighting for ourselves as workers to get a wage, fighting to put food on the table for our family, or fighting to ensure a better world tomorrow which will end as soon as the next war begins or fighting so we don't get sent to jail, a gulag, or a camp.
 

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To be fair to the man from what I've heard that's the only way this wars stopping that doesn't does involve Ukraine being conquered or burned to the ground.

Putin is off his rocker
But so are all the other Russian generals or spokesmen blustering statements that are basically "you better not respond to anything we do or else!".
It's not just him.
 

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Look, there's a reason Putin sits 30 ft away from his generals. There wouldn't be a power vacuum for very long.

Plus, Russia's already in an insane shooting war. Some corrupt general taking Vlad out might be a good thing. After all, he'd want his money to go back to being worth something
 

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Because a power vacuum in nuclear-armed Russia is totally what we need. Also, this opens pandora's box, which means the Russians can plot Biden's assassination which is why presidents typically in the modern-day don't assassinate high-powered world leaders unless it's a much less powerful state like Maduro's.
A power vacuum in Russia would not be worse than Putin.

Also Russia seems already very willing to assassinate Selenskyi. Immunity to presidents is no longer a thing in this conflict.


Now that doesn't mean i think assassinating Putin would be the best idea now.
 

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So I just went to a defense forum
Well that was your first mistake. Places like that are populated I feel confident in projecting with washed up non-coms, life long reservists and overread war-gamers. Obviously there'll be some intelligent insights - experience speaks after all - but their knowledge is going to be totally out of date on one side, and based purely on numbers and math on the other. The people with the kind of expertise to draw the kind of conclusion you present are also not the kind of people stupid enough to discuss it on a web forum for internet points.

Unless of course by forum you meant a discussion round table at somewhere like RAND or ASPI, because while not places I'd call non-partisan by any measure, they are at least staffed by people who do operate at the high levels of defence policy and statecraft. If that be the cause, disregard my disregard.
 

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The cat knows what it did
Does it?

I am just a little cat,
Don't know why there is such a spat.
Are these humans chasing rats?
Why are cities going splat?

I am but a little cat.
Why must these people act like twats?
See the news and say "oh drat."
This Putin guy is such a prat.

For I am but simple cat.
Want to lounge and eat, grow fat.
To lie asleep upon the mat.
Please stop this war, this tit-for-tat.

Yes I am a Russian cat.
But that's beside this point or that.
Oh please all put on peacetime hats.
So on ceasefire I can say "congrats."
 
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