As well as its many, many flaws as a film, the director hired a real convicted sexual predator to play a minor role where he bothers the female lead.
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He did it as a favor to the guy, not realizing the exact details about what he was convicted of, apparently. When he was informed, Shane Black apparently was more than happy to cut him out of the movie, and admitted he was wrong to cast him in the first place.
The Dark Knight
"Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight."
You know, it's harder to refute Mister Scorsese's claim that superhero movies aren't cinema when this type of writing is seen as the thing to strive for in the genre. He'd never put something so... mawkish to paper. Who talks like this?
Harvey Dent's transformation to Two-Face is simply unconvincing, and it bothers me how easily Joker turned him against the people he trusted, most of all Commissioner Gordon, with a visit to his hospital room. The two part episode Two-Face in the animated series was darker and more interesting than this, because of how they handled his psychology, the other violent personality that he struggled to resist since his childhood but which takes over him after his disfigurement. What happens in The Dark Knight is pretty thin by comparison. The look of Two-Face bothers me too, and it wouldn't if the world he inhabited didn't look so real. He wouldn't live and couldn't go on anyway without the painkillers he refuses to take.
Did either of the writers of this movie at any point stop to ask themselves if Joker's ability to see ahead and plan step after step successfully was maybe too much? He keeps going and going like he's a clairvoyant master of psychology.
I do like the story, the action and those IMAX scenes (enough that I wish the filmmakers had done more to make the rest of the movie look as close to them as possible), but I can't get over those things within.
"Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight."
You know, it's harder to refute Mister Scorsese's claim that superhero movies aren't cinema when this type of writing is seen as the thing to strive for in the genre. He'd never put something so... mawkish to paper. Who talks like this?
Harvey Dent's transformation to Two-Face is simply unconvincing, and it bothers me how easily Joker turned him against the people he trusted, most of all Commissioner Gordon, with a visit to his hospital room. The two part episode Two-Face in the animated series was darker and more interesting than this, because of how they handled his psychology, the other violent personality that he struggled to resist since his childhood but which takes over him after his disfigurement. What happens in The Dark Knight is pretty thin by comparison. The look of Two-Face bothers me too, and it wouldn't if the world he inhabited didn't look so real. He wouldn't live and couldn't go on anyway without the painkillers he refuses to take.
Did either of the writers of this movie at any point stop to ask themselves if Joker's ability to see ahead and plan step after step successfully was maybe too much? He keeps going and going like he's a clairvoyant master of psychology.
I do like the story, the action and those IMAX scenes (enough that I wish the filmmakers had done more to make the rest of the movie look as close to them as possible), but I can't get over those things within.
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Apparently, the original make-up they had for Two-Face was a lot less over-the-top and more realistic, but it actually made test audiences sick to their stomachs, so they intentionally went over-the-top in order to make it more palatable for the audience.
IIRC, Olivia Munn (the female lead) was the one that demanded he be cut from the film, and then there was a press conference about it where nobody else backed her up on this. I could be remembering that one wrong though, it was some feminist issue the rest of the cast noped out of, might have been something else.
Shitty debasement is a matter of opinion. Aside from them dropping the ball with movie IX, I liked the Star Wars sequels, and Mando and Boba Fett and the seventh season of Clone Wars and Bad Batch were great and I'm looking forward to the Kenobi mini series and Ahsoka's show.
As for 'Rings of Power', considering the level of shit fantasy now puts up with because Game of Thrones lives rent free in producers heads, I'll take well produced high fantasy show based on the grandfather of the genre over any of the other GRR Martin knock off bullshit.
Eh, people are concerned that they will turn it into GoT, which is a valid complaint. There's talk of nudity and explicit sex scenes, for example.
Gets lost in the "I'm not racist, but whites only" stuff and transphobia, though.
Yeah see that I'd be upset about; but that's because its tonally disconnected from Tolkien rather than outright bad.
Eh, I'd expect it to be outright bad, myself, but that's just me.
Everything has to be all sex all the time. Used to be to be "adult", now it's boob wallpaper in the background.
I had entirely forgotten that happened.
Yes.
The films peaked early, that doesn't mean there wasn't good stuff afterwards.
Sorry, what knockoffs has Game of Thrones actually produced? Because I certainly agree that it shook up the fantasy genre, but what's actually been produced that uses GoT as a clear template? If we're talking about TV, maybe The Witcher, but that's a pre-existing IP, and having read the first Witcher book, there's no shortage of sex and blood in it.
Um, what transphobia has there been for Rings of Power?
I'm not going to win any favours here, but dark-skinned elves and dwarves is...weird, to say the least (for this specific setting). And before you say anything, fair-skinned Haradrim and Easterlings would also be eyebrow raising.
That said, I'm also going to say that of all the potential issues with Rings of Power, this is among the least egregious. While the look of Middle-earth's peoples are well-established, it doesn't break the lore in any real way. My main concern for Rings of Power ranges from how it's treating the characters (e.g. Galadriel and Elrond) to its compression of the timeline. I mean, I get WHY the timeline is being compressed (and technically the Jackson films compressed the timeline as well), but given how the Second Age played out, I really think this is shooting the show in the foot. I mean, elves are immortal, dwarves live for hundreds of years, and Numenoreans were long-lived as well, so this isn't too big an issue when it comes to casting.
Different degenerates (I think).
But yes, Sexy Shelob is conceptually stupid. I haven't played the Middle-earth games, so I can't fault it for execution (can't comment), but really? You saw Shelob, child of Ungolient, and thought "you know what she needs? Tits!"
Really? Because I thought I heard them say they wanted this to be more PG-13, but with moments where the kids might have to hide behind the covers. Though maybe those are the moments where there's hardcore dwarf orgies.
I'm more curious about whether they're going to "color blind" the black dwarves and elves, or if they're actually going try and add some cultural explaination, this being Tolkien 'n all (among other things). I'm totally for inclusion, and the black dwarf lady is the most visually engaging character I've seen thus far, but to just add people of color and go 'there, done' without it having a presence and history within the world itself feels strange in a fictional universe that has such a traditional and segregated view of races. And then there's also the issue of adding people of color but ignoring their culture, though I'm not very confident to speaking on that particular topic.
There will be female characters and Poc, therefore wokeness is taking over. Trans people are currently the face of wokeness or something, so lots of stupid blather about them.
Elves and dwarves, perhaps (though if they made all the Dwarves Jewish, that'd work). Having fair-skinned Haradrim, not so much, in that you've always got some ethnic minorities around. Black people existed in medieval Europe, white people in medieval Africa, just not comparatively that matter.
Oh yeah, loads of issues there.
I find it easier to refute Mr Scorsese, when he acts like another whiny, old douche about things, and claims "All superhero movies are just roller coaster rides!", because he's no longer as relevant and part of the conversation. He's really not one to talk. He's been doing the same gangster movies for over 30 years. At least a superhero genre has a whole bunch of variety, different thematic things, takes, and appliance of different civil and social issues depending on where you look. I'll take nearly any of those superhero shows or movies over another semi-glorification of a bunch of Italian mobster jackasses, with a runtime of over 2 hours.
I watched Spiderman 3 on bluray last night. I think my opinion of it is not shared by many. I hated that they turned Peter Parker, at least for most of the opening, from a lovable nerd, into a genuine ass-hat. I also don't buy the retconed uncle Ben stuff. They changed Venom a lot from who he is in the comics. But I saw past that and loved everything else about the movie... even Parker turning into a finger gunning dancing douche as the symbiote took hold of him. It was supposed to have that impact on him. There are so many great action scenes that work so well in the movie. From Gobbie Jr. chasing Peter on the moped, to the apartment confrontation, and more. This guy gets it...
I'm not seeing the issue, honestly. Like, the elves and the dwarves are still segregated races. They're just different colors within that race sometimes. Unless there's some stupid old-school D&D-esc "all the high elves are white and all of the dark elves are black because one is good and one worships evil spider gods" thing going on that I don't know about.
It's not like colorblind casting led to a black person playing some white noble who's introducing chattel slavery to Europe or something.