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Yeah, always thought Batman should be silly, and Batman and Robin shouldn't have been condemned for being so.
They made their money at the box office, but you also have a whole bunch of insecure Batman fans bitching like they had it the worst. There was also some homophobia towards Joel Schumacher at the time.

I reckon the main reason the Schumacher Batman movies are unpopular is because they immediately follow the Burton ones. I do think the Burton movies stand as the best solo live action Batman adaptations but in a vacuum, Forever and and Robin are pretty fun high budget tributes to the 60's show. But I guess there's just not enough interest in a comedic live action Batman right now. Would be interesting to see what someone like Edgar Wright could make of it.
Honestly, I actually prefer Forever over Returns.
 

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They made their money at the box office, but you also have a whole bunch of insecure Batman fans bitching like they had it the worst. There was also some homophobia towards Joel Schumacher at the time.
Ah, that makes sense. Good thing people aren't like that nowdays.

On a totally unrelated note, wonder what people think the upcoming Amazon LotR series will be like...
 

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On a totally unrelated note, wonder what people think the upcoming Amazon LotR series will be like...
Most people don't have a problem, but you have the usual infestation of racist/sexist jack asses of the new LOTR being "too woke". Or that LOTR is white culture only. I may not be a big LOTR fan, but these assholes can fuck off. You got the original movies, and the books, leave other people alone.
 
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I reckon the main reason the Schumacher Batman movies are unpopular is because they immediately follow the Burton ones. I do think the Burton movies stand as the best solo live action Batman adaptations but in a vacuum, Forever and and Robin are pretty fun high budget tributes to the 60's show. But I guess there's just not enough interest in a comedic live action Batman right now. Would be interesting to see what someone like Edgar Wright could make of it.
In retrospect, I think Batman and Robin was only too silly in that it favoured the camp over the drama at a greater ratio than Forever did. Both are silly movies but there’s enough gravitas where and when it counts in Forever: like sure the Graysons were killed by an unhinged Tommy Lee Jones in an absurd suit with a blinged out machine gun - but it still treated their deaths as a tragedy and Dick’s anger at the whole thing is only undermined by him being a decade older than he usually is. Still, O’Donnell sells it pretty well and fight me, but he’d have made a great Nightwing if they got that far.
 
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In retrospect, I think Batman and Robin was only too silly in that it favoured the camp over the drama at a greater ratio than Forever did. Both are silly movies but there’s enough gravitas where and when it counts in Forever: like sure the Graysons were killed by an unhinged Tommy Lee Jones in an absurd suit with a blinged out machine gun - but it still treated their deaths as a tragedy and Dick’s anger at the whole thing is only undermined by him being a decade older than he usually is. Still, O’Donnell sells it pretty well and fight me, but he’d have made a great Nightwing if they got that far.
My problem with O'Donnell as Robin was never his acting, but the writing undermining it.
 
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Joker

Before I watched this I said that I wasn't interested in a movie about the Joker. After finally watching it yesterday, I say we didn't need a movie about/celebrating the Joker. Cynical. Pointless. Canonically irritating. Pessimistic. Unbelievable, despite dropping all the comic elements and aesthetics that the filmmakers thought were beneath them. Any message it might have about mental health treatment and wealth inequality in America or caring about your fellow man is muddled by the celebration of the murderous character and the ridiculousness of his story. I'm curious about the reactions in the cinemas. If there was cheering or awe when he murdered certain people. The circumstances are unconvincing. A standup video tape that would never be aired on a talk show. How is that funny, worth showing to your nightly viewers? A couple of rich people who would probably just avoid rather than confront him physically on the subway. Some kids beating him up earlier. You'd think the universe is out to destroy him. His colleague giving him a .38, like he can afford to. Rupert Pupkin's story was more credible. Not bad, but the way it resonated with the masses is strange. I still say Joker is nothing with Batman. They need each other.

Someone said this is Taxi Driver and King of Comedy smashed together. Accurate.
I was mostly underwhelmed by the movie as for me, it was a rehash of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy. I've sorta seen it before. My biggest concern was that the movie would celebrate this monster and I really don't think it did. By the end of the movie, I did feel like I understood this character better, but did not, even a little bit, sympathize with his actions. When it was over, I certainly did not feel like I want to be him or do what he does.

EDIT: He is celebrated by others in the movie itself. We, in the audience, come to have the same understanding and dread of those in the movie celebrating the Joker, but we don't want to be them either.

I did come to appreciate it more when others went through an analysis of the movie through the lens of the Joker not being a reliable narrator. Just how much of this is supposed to be happening at all? Example: I'm pretty sure Zazie Beetz was not accompanying him all over the place.
 

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I reckon the main reason the Schumacher Batman movies are unpopular is because they immediately follow the Burton ones. I do think the Burton movies stand as the best solo live action Batman adaptations but in a vacuum, Forever and and Robin are pretty fun high budget tributes to the 60's show. But I guess there's just not enough interest in a comedic live action Batman right now. Would be interesting to see what someone like Edgar Wright could make of it.
Only if we get Simon Pegg and Nick Frost as Batman and Robin.
 

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Casting Blossoms to the Sky (2012)

Nobuhiko Obayashi is a Japanese director one is rather unlikely to have heard of, unless they just happen to specifically care about Japanese film. Well, maybe not quite, Obayashi has made a highly stylized horror movie called Hausu back in the 70's, which is arguably a bit of a cult classic. But very few people are aware of what else he's made, which is quite sad, considering he's one of the more compelling voices in recent Japanese cinema. Obayashi died a few years ago, but until his death he worked on a quadrilogy on anti-war movies, the first of which being "Casting Blossoms to the Sky" from 2012. For reasons that don't require elaboration, war has been on my mind lately, so what better time is there to watch that quadrilogy?

Obayashi describes Blossoms as a "film essay", but what does that mean? Well, its framing device is a young journalist travelling to the small town of Nagaoka to witness the annual fireworks show in memory of the victims of World War 2 and a stage play by a young student about the towns experiences during the war. Based, of course, on Obayashi himself actually travelling there and talking to the veterans of the war about their experiences. The movie presents itself, mostly, as a series of vignettes about the reporter talking to survivors of World War 2 and listening to their experiences, she meets a variety of different personalities, the old craftsman responsible for the fireworks show who was a prisoner of war in Siberia, and old lady who lost her little daughter in a bombing and now works as a storyteller, the young student who decided to write the play about the war and so on and so forth.
The movie blossoms into a series of vignettes tied together by this framing device, retelling these stories of pain, loss, suffering but also resolve and survival in Obayashi's signature visually striking style. Quite honestly, the man is a wizard with a green screen and he manages to elevate each little vignette with what is some downright breathtaking cinematography. Obayashi's highly visual directing style doesn't overshadow, but elevate, the highly emotionally charged stories he's relating. Blossoms is a film that talks quite candidly about the horrors of war, but as much as it concerns itself with its tragedy, as much does it concern itself with the hopes and dreams of a younger generation that has grown up during peace time and that Obayashi seems to view as as the vanguard of a better future. An eighteen year old girl named Hana, staging the theater play central to the framing device, is here depicted as carrying forward the warning of her elders about the horrors of war, but also as a representation of a more innocent, more hopeful generation that not only has the potential to do better but deserves better.

Blossoms is a deeply touching movie, at just under three hours, Obayashi built a deeply artistically sophisticated memorial to the victims of World War II as it was experienced by the population of a small rural town. He dedicated the last few years of his life, before succumbing to cancer, to a series of monumental films about war and peace, representing an old mans dreams of a better future. Casting Blossoms to the Sky is the first of those and it's a work of great beauty, wearing its compassion for the victims and its hopes for their children and grandchildren on its sleeves. Blossoms is a movie that remembers war and dreams of peace. Of the day we'll build fireworks instead of bombs. Honestly, it's the sort of film they should show in schools. It's as educational as its emotional and as heartfelt as it's beautiful.
 
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The Hangover: Great / Great

A groom and his three friends take to Las Vegas for the bachelor party, and after a night of blackout partying, they wake up the next morning to find the groom missing and... a lot of other things have gone horribly wrong. The race is on to find their friend and untangle the web of insanity none of them remember weaving.

Not the first time I've seen this movie, but damned if it doesn't make me laugh every time I do. It's quite possibly the perfect comedy: in-your-face offensive and reaches for heights of absurdity with laser-sharp wit and brilliant comedic timing. This was a film that didn't need two sequels as it was already pure gold; trying to 3-peat was try-hard and diminishes the value of the whole. The other two films are still entertaining, but neither capture the lightning in the bottle of the first.
 

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Innocence (2004)

Fourth viewing in fifteen years. Wouldn't have watched it that many times if it wasn't animated, and it's not even very pure 2D animation anyway, featuring a ton more CG than Ghost in the Shell, crappy early CG with low resolution textures to boot. It's a movie you kind of have to push yourself to like. Hurt by Mamoru Oshii trying to be intellectual, throwing so many quotations into the script that it wears you down and you stop trying to understand every one of them. But the story is fairly simple, more straightforward than the first movie. About some very human pleasure gynoids that are murdering their owners. Based on one of the chapters in the original manga. Batou and Tugusa make an interesting enough detective pair. I particularly liked this one scene with Batou and his dog alone in the apartment after a long day of work, seeing the animal's behavior animated in such detail.
 

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The Hangover: Great / Great

A groom and his three friends take to Las Vegas for the bachelor party, and after a night of blackout partying, they wake up the next morning to find the groom missing and... a lot of other things have gone horribly wrong. The race is on to find their friend and untangle the web of insanity none of them remember weaving.

Not the first time I've seen this movie, but damned if it doesn't make me laugh every time I do. It's quite possibly the perfect comedy: in-your-face offensive and reaches for heights of absurdity with laser-sharp wit and brilliant comedic timing. This was a film that didn't need two sequels as it was already pure gold; trying to 3-peat was try-hard and diminishes the value of the whole. The other two films are still entertaining, but neither capture the lightning in the bottle of the first.
I think the only way the sequels could have been interesting is if they lost a different bachelor each time. Since Doug got married in the first one, and Phil (Bradley Cooper) is already married that gives us a chance to shake the chemistry up each movie along with changes to location and stuff like that. Still unlikely to have been as funny as the first one though.
 

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I think the only way the sequels could have been interesting is if they lost a different bachelor each time. Since Doug got married in the first one, and Phil (Bradley Cooper) is already married that gives us a chance to shake the chemistry up each movie along with changes to location and stuff like that. Still unlikely to have been as funny as the first one though.
I think the reason they didn't lose a different guy each time was because the three main characters (Alan, Phil and Stu) were already established, immediately iconic, and what audiences expected to see, i.e.: I think, say, losing Alan and trying to play Doug into the absurdity would have been even try-harder. The first film was something that hadn't been done before; the next two films were just more of the same making the franchise a one-trick pony. I think had they gone the other direction with new characters, a bachelorette party, it could have been more effective, but then we got Bridesmaids for that which was clearly riding the highs of the success of The Hangover, but with women. I guess there's something to be said for four friends finding themselves in equally absurd circumstances time and time again (like, who in their right mind after twice royally fucking up a vacation would agree to a third outing?,) but still, once was enough.

Leslie Chow will forever be fucking hilarious, though; I love him in all three films. I can't believe Ken Jeong has a medical practitioner's licenses in real life; that alone would make me WANT to go to the doctor. I'd insist on the offensively stereotypical accent, but that he keep his pants ON.
 

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Superman IV: The Quest for Peace is also not very good, and Superman is a bit evil. I like the elevator bit, though.
 

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Celine et Julie vont en Bateau (1974)

Or Celine and Julie Go Boating, in English. Celine and Julie is a french arthouse movie from the 1970's. In case I just lost you there, as far as those go, it's actually a surprisingly entertaining watch. Directed by New Wave icon Jaques Rivette, Celine and Julie is about the eponymous pair of young women, Julie works as a humble librarian and has an interest in occultism, Celine is an eccentric stage magician prone to making up tall tales. Julie comes across Celine during her lunchbreak, follows her, a friendship, or perhaps more, between them eventually blooms. Eventually, and this is where the more fantastical side of this story comes in, both are drawn to a mysterious house. They enter it, but leave it with no memory of what happened in it, but a bonbon in their mouth that they can use to relive these memories. Soon it turns out that in the house, a timeloop of a family drama plays out daily that ends with a little girl dying. The two women resolve to safer her from this fate by styling a book of magic, brewing a magical potion and trying to break the cycle playing out inside the house. Eventually they do, also, actually go boating, for the record.

It's about as meta and confusing as it sounds, but it's presented in a surprisingly light hearted and playful manner. A lot of it owed to the charm of its two leads, supposedly close friends in real life, who treat their post modernist voyage mostly as an amusing adventure that they embark on with mischievous, childlike glee. In a way, Celine and Julie feels like a french surrealist take on a buddy comedy, contrasting the sometimes borderline cartoony hijinks the main characters get up to with the stiff, soap opera style drama that plays out inside the haunted house. "It smell like mothballs", quips Julie as they relive the memory through the power of magical bonbons like a pair of friends on a sofa riffing on a mediocre television show.
For the product of an era and a genre of film making that's generally assumed to be elitist and impenetrable, the movies is not exactly obtuse about what it's trying to do here, having a pair of free spirited young lesbians meddle with the narrative of a constantly repeating old melodrama about a stuffy rich family and resolving to liberate a young girl from it.
There's just a general joi de vivre to the whole production, not only is the dialogue mostly quite comedic (A lot of it, unfortunately, based on wordplay that doesn't translate very well from french), it also has a very sunny an colourful look to it. Celine and Julie's Montmarte is a place of blue skies, blooming flowers and stray cats. A sunny wonderland of continental european quaintness lending a fairy tale like whimsy to the entire film. Lewis Caroll is referenced multiple times. Add to that some very playful editing, like the running joke of the phrase "But, on the next morning" showing up multiple times.
In a lot of ways, Celine and Julie feels like it could be a sort of comedic companion piece to something like Mulholland Drive, as big on postmodernist undertones and layered mysteries, but presenting them as a playful buddy comedy, soaked in the warm sunlight of spring and the scent of blooming flowers instead in the packaging of a paranoid noir thriller. It's full with amusing litlle segments, most of them tying into its themes of liberation, like Celine taking down Julie's sleazy childhood boyfriend, or Julie lashing out at a bunch of greedy managers trying to use her magic act to help secure business relations in the middle east.

It's a movie that's breaking conventions as much as it's a movie about breaking conventions, ushering in a more liberated style of telling stories and adapting them, resorting not to the Sturm und Drang of radical deconstruction but good natured humour and formal experimentation. Carried by a pair of incredibly likeable lead performances, Celine et Julie is the joyful, witchy lesbian buddy comedy about breaking free from the shackles of conventional storytelling you never knew you needed. I'm well aware that a three hour long french new wave experimental movie is, generally speaking, not the easiest sell but I get the impression that even people outside of the hardcore arthouse crowd would be able to get some enjoyment out of it.
 

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The King's Man (2022).

Jesus fucking Christ. What a horrible movie. Reminded me quite a bit of Zack Snyder's movies. A handful of genuinely amazing scenes and creative cinematography thrown in with some awful, awful dialogue, pacing, and writing. My girlfriend and I were so excited for this movie, and we were so disappointed to the point that we didn't finish watching it together. As a prequel, it commits all the sins a prequel shouldn't. If you enjoy pointing at the screen and screaming "He said the thing!" then you'll love this movie.

My girlfriend had two specific complaints. One, the movie incessantly plays the one Kingsman's theme for the whole movie. To the point that when it comes on, it actively makes the movie worse. Two, the movie is all camp and no heart. The villain in the movie is just unforgivably bad, like he's a cartoon villain that everyone is taking seriously.

Between this movie and The Golden Circle, I think the Kingsman franchise is pretty much dead to me. Which is a shame, because I thought the first movie was able to recreate the goofy charm of the older Bond films while still having modern action scenes. But I am officially done with this franchise.
 

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Eh, thought the premise of the Kingsman was interesting, but IMHO the first film totally failed to work it well and the film was generally and generically appalling.
 

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On a totally unrelated note, wonder what people think the upcoming Amazon LotR series will be like...
Shitty debasement of great IP, much like Disney is busy using Star Wars for.

There's a lot to be said for the principle of leaving classics well alone, rather than heaping out a load of unconvincing tosh for a quick buck that drags the reputation of the whole into the mud. Take the Aliens, Terminator and Predator franchises: does anyone think that anything after Aliens 2 / Terminator 2 / Predator have done them any favours? Clearly not.

The Hobbit trilogy did a pretty good job of murdering Tolkein on celluloid - the worst sort of bloated, overindulgent, tedious trash. Who seriously thinks some hack's sub-Tolkeinesque spin-off is going to match up to the real thing?
 

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You've criticised rings of power without mentioning wokeness. I think that's illegal.

(Also, I like Predator 2 and Predators. The 4th one, The Predator, was exactly what I was afraid the 3rd one would be).
 

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Take the Aliens, Terminator and Predator franchises: does anyone think that anything after Aliens 2 / Terminator 2 / Predator have done them any favours? Clearly not.
Predator 2 is awesome, and Predators is just regular good.

(Also, I like Predator 2 and Predators. The 4th one, The Predator, was exactly what I was afraid the 3rd one would be).
I will never watch Predator 4. Fuck that movie.
You've criticised rings of power without mentioning wokeness. I think that's illegal.
Sounds legal and sane to me.