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Again, pushing anything is bad. I don't get why you think that I feel pushing gay stuff is now a bridge too far, it always was.
It is literally impossible to teach literature, art, or drama without "pushing anything".
 

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As I've said before, conservatives do not engage with media. They only consume it.
If that were true though they wouldn't get so stupidly mad over Disney (potentially) having a gay character in their movie, or Marvel having a superhero movie with a female lead who doesn't smile enough.

They engage with the media, but only the part that they can squeeze rage fuel out of to flame up their (fan) base.
 

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Okay then, so what's the problem with Disney "pushing" gayness (which they're not but for sake of argument let's say they are)? They've pushed fairy tale princesses, straight romance, good vs. evil, and 'never give up/always do your best/keep dreaming' for years. And all of this was so they could sell you shit. Why is gayness suddenly a bridge too far, or a sign that their "creativity" is now compromised?

Why is this 'pushing the gay agenda' and an interview proving it such a gotcha?
No, to point out something obvious here but maybe he's just not into it?

Different strokes for different folks and it's kind of weird to me the seeming idea of "You must support it because gay people" when surely people should support the thing they enjoy based on enjoying it?
 

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If that were true though they wouldn't get so stupidly mad over Disney (potentially) having a gay character in their movie, or Marvel having a superhero movie with a female lead who doesn't smile enough.

They engage with the media, but only the part that they can squeeze rage fuel out of to flame up their (fan) base.
I'm sorry but:

Eye Origins - (No-one had heard of this until it was getting crapped on for being shitty)
Gods Not Dead (admittedly that should be panned for being plain bad)
Wonder Woman having shaved armpits
Wonder Woman having too few lines in her trailer
Gal Godot even being allowed to be Wonder Woman
People mad at Alita Battle Angle for "Being unrealistic" and deciding liking the film made you a sexist because um reasons
The people mad over Avengers Age of Ultron



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Yes, zero states have banned it. Absolutely zero conservative politicians writing bills and voting, shouting loudly about how they are banning CRT in schools

Is your defense for conservatives pushing these bills truly that every conservative politician was lying? Because John Oliver pointed out that they weren't actually banning CRT, because no grade schools are actually teaching CRT.

(Incidently, Rufo's blatant lie was that there isn't an agenda. It was just a minute long video of an executime talking about how she liked putting tiny amounts of gay stuff into backgrounds. That's not an agenda)

...hey quick question, do you know how stories work?
Read the bills/laws, none of them say anything about banning CRT at all. John Oliver's team couldn't even read the bills they are talking about, pretty sad.

Someone writes the stories...

Because you're bringing it up in this very thread. And because the '[insert whatever] agenda' was never a thing till gay people started getting more (positive) exposure in fiction. People constantly talked about tropes in movies, but as soon as gay characters started showing up it became an "agenda", signaling the supposed nefarious attempt by SJWs to ruin movies and games by putting non-straight, non-white, and non-cis people in them.

Also, any story with a message or theme of any kind has it there because the writers or whoever was in charge pushed for it to be there. Stories don't write themselves afterall. You think movies like The Terminator, Mad Max, First Blood, Alien, Aliens, and Robocop weren't pushing anything? You think those themes just happened accidentally without the writers not expressly pushing for them?
I talked about the agenda in video games in pushing white male protagonist with short hair and even posted that infamous pic of all the protagonists looking the same. I know that when Heavenly Sword was revealed at E3, it was the only game shown with a woman protagonist, it's on the special features of the game IIRC. And I know Naughty Dog had to fight to get Ellie on the cover of TLOU. I think, again, IIRC that Elizabeth wasn't allowed on the cover of Bioshock Infinite. It was wrong then and wrong now, I don't get how I'm saying anything different than before.

And this is why nobody believes your claims that you're a progressive: you have yet to stand up for a single progressive cause and just keep pushing to enforce the status quo like every other tradcon.
I'm for basically all the social programs/policies of say Denmark. How much more progressive do you want someone to be to be for the "cause"? I say you need to vote 3rd party because democrats aren't going to deliver even something that should be as basic as public healthcare so why vote for them? Just because I don't like democrats doesn't mean I'm not progressive. You do know I don't like republicans either right?

It is literally impossible to teach literature, art, or drama without "pushing anything".
I said people outside of the creators shouldn't push anything.
 

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No, to point out something obvious here but maybe he's just not into it?

Different strokes for different folks and it's kind of weird to me the seeming idea of "You must support it because gay people" when surely people should support the thing they enjoy based on enjoying it?
Yeah, this doesn't make sense.

You do NOT have to enjoy every piece of media. There is no law that makes what you want the basis of every piece of media

I do not like Hunger Games or Love Actually. Or RomComs in general. I do not go around try to ban it just because I dont like it. Someone else might

'Support' here just means letting them be part of the media landscape. Otherwise, they aren't allowed. There is no mandatory requirement for you to go see it

I.e. your support just means they aren't cancelled for being gay etc. I support RomComs existing because why the fuck would I want to ban it
 

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I.e. your support just means they aren't cancelled for being gay etc. I support RomComs existing because why the fuck would I want to ban it
I dunno, I've seen LBGT arguments to ban these because they re-enforce hetero-normative stereotypes.
 

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Read the bills/laws, none of them say anything about banning CRT at all. John Oliver's team couldn't even read the bills they are talking about, pretty sad.
So, every conservative clip is of a conservative blatantly lying about crt being taught in schools and blatantly lying about how they want to ban crt in schools, but John Oliver is in the wrong for...posting clips about them saying that?
 

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I mean, a good chunk of them celebrate *really* creepy behaviors
because normal behavior is boring and it would make a shitty movie. Can you imagine a movie about awkward tinder dm's and fucking a stranger on the first blind date, then getting ghosted? It would be like 15 minutes long and probably x rated..........actually i think i've seen that one on the Hub.
 

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because normal behavior is boring and it would make a shitty movie. Can you imagine a movie about awkward tinder dm's and fucking a stranger on the first blind date, then getting ghosted? It would be like 15 minutes long and probably x rated..........actually i think i've seen that one on the Hub.
...uh...so are the choices really between stalking someone at work vs tinder hookups?
 

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I talked about the agenda in video games in pushing white male protagonist with short hair and even posted that infamous pic of all the protagonists looking the same. I know that when Heavenly Sword was revealed at E3, it was the only game shown with a woman protagonist, it's on the special features of the game IIRC. And I know Naughty Dog had to fight to get Ellie on the cover of TLOU. I think, again, IIRC that Elizabeth wasn't allowed on the cover of Bioshock Infinite. It was wrong then and wrong now, I don't get how I'm saying anything different than before.
And you don't see any correlation between people trying to fight and speak out against the onslaught white male protagonists from back then with people trying to fight against the onslaught of straight male protagonists in games and movies today?

Those examples of Heavenly Sword, Naughty Dog wanting Ellie on the cover, and Bioshock seemingly trying and failing, that's them pushing for it. Just as apparently creators over at Disney are pushing for a wider represention in their movies, which Disney itself is only allowing very sparsely. That one quick shot of two women kissing in Star Wars, the mention of a 'he' during the story of some random guy talking about a date in Endgame, a female extra mentioning a girlfriend in Onward, that's Disney "pushing the gay agenda".

Putting that on the same level as the oversaturation of white skinned, brown haired men in games in the early 00's is frankly a little silly.
 

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No, to point out something obvious here but maybe he's just not into it?

Different strokes for different folks and it's kind of weird to me the seeming idea of "You must support it because gay people" when surely people should support the thing they enjoy based on enjoying it?
Into what? I didn't even mention a title or a genre. I didn't even say 'you must support it because there's gay people in it'. Unless you're equating gayness to a genre or the overall quality of a product, which would be weird (but not surprising in the slightest).
 

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I said people outside of the creators shouldn't push anything.
Yes, I know. The creators are not going to be teaching their own content, are they?

It is impossible for the teacher to do their job without "pushing anything".