Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[Trunkage]

You know it's funny you keep claiming things are strawmen but you don't seem to know be able to you know actually show it's a strawman just be throwing out the term.

So to be "Nice" I'll point out why you're wrong here:

1) Those tweets exist and those are peoples actual positions
2) It's Vaush not me showcasing them thus it would be his strawman.
3) I doubt Vaush is copying me
4) In this thread the strawmen started getting thrown far before I pushed back against them.


So if you maintain what's going on is still strawmen start dismantling them, they should be easy to do right. They burn very well when exposed to evidence. Unless you're trying to employ a Darvo or Tu Quo Qu play here.

Just so you are aware. You made up an argument for what woke people say. And then determined 'its bad' based on you made up argument

That's called a strawman

Edit: I'll give you a helping hand. If you ever say woke, you (not everyone else, just you personally) are probably strawmanning. It's a like 95% likelihood

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Just so you are aware. You made up an argument for what woke people say. And then determined 'its bad' based on you made up argument

That's called a strawman

Edit: I'll give you a helping hand. If you ever say woke, you (not everyone else, just you personally) are probably strawmanning. It's a like 95% likelihood

Is it made up when the argument being put forward is the idea Ukraine shouldn't be fighting back but trying to settle with Russia by giving them stuff?

Because as is shown that's the argument going on.

 

[Silvanus]

No I pointed out how literally one of her main personality traits and the most prominent one regularly brought up by her verbally saying it is that she's a lesbian.

It's not, and it isn't. You're just exaggerating it and jumping at every tiny indication, because you're oversensitive.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

It's not, and it isn't. You're just exaggerating it and jumping at every tiny indication, because you're oversensitive.

Then define Bill's personality then. It's a pretty simple thing to disprove me that her being a Lesbian isn't presented as a core part of her personality if you can actually lay out her personality beyond that aspect.

I've put the challenge to you multiple times now it should be simple so why not take it up and prove me wrong?

 

[Silvanus]

Then define Bill's personality then. It's a pretty simple thing to disprove me that her being a Lesbian isn't presented as a core part of her personality if you can actually lay out her personality beyond that aspect.

I've put the challenge to you multiple times now it should be simple so why not take it up and prove me wrong?

Generally outspoken/bold, somewhat geeky (sci-fi nerd), inquisitive, and undeferential to authority.

I didn't reply before because this is a completely pointless exercise. Sexuality literally didn't come up in most of her appearances, and that's really the only thing that's relevant here. You just exaggerated it into this massive thing because you don't like it.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Generally outspoken/bold, somewhat geeky (sci-fi nerd), inquisitive, and undeferential to authority.

I didn't reply before because this is a completely pointless exercise. Sexuality literally didn't come up in most of her appearances, and that's really the only thing that's relevant here. You just exaggerated it into this massive thing because you don't like it.

Generally outspoken, well not really unless it comes down to her race or sexual preferences which is generally when that comes up.
Bold. Again not really she tends to end up more nervous and I'd argue less bold than most other companions.

Geeky, maybe but it's rare it comes up and it's never developed more than just a vague idea.
Inquisitive, well not such that it stands out compared to any other companion and again not explored much especially not when compared to plenty of others in the past.

Also again she says she's a Lesbian in 7 out of the 12 episodes she's in. You brought that up. How can you now be trying to argue it doesn't come up in most of her appearances when over 50% of them it does and that's not including 25% of other episodes where it does come up in other ways 2 of which being where it forms a major plot point.

 

[Buyetyen]

Generally outspoken/bold, somewhat geeky (sci-fi nerd), inquisitive, and undeferential to authority.

I didn't reply before because this is a completely pointless exercise. Sexuality literally didn't come up in most of her appearances, and that's really the only thing that's relevant here. You just exaggerated it into this massive thing because you don't like it.

I don't know why you're still talking to him. His only goal with this argument is to put queer people back in the closet. I mean, look at his last reply. Sound doesn't move as fast as those goalposts.

 

[Silvanus]

SNIP

As I said you would then, you just proceed to downplay/dismiss/ignore anything brought up. You wonder why I didn't bother to reply the first time you asked for a pointless character run-down? Because this response was so predictable.

Have fun whining about gay people in shows. I'm done.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I don't know why you're still talking to him. His only goal with this argument is to put queer people back in the closet. I mean, look at his last reply. Sound doesn't move as fast as those goalposts.

Maybe because he's here to try and understand other peoples positions and perspectives rather than to Strawman the position of anyone who doesn't tow the line exactly how he wants out of some delusional belief that the person is an agent of "The No Goodnicks" being paid off in Bison dollar to um.....do....um.... oh yeh suggest studios should cater to different demographics rather than trying to make everything into some giant mass appeal thing that is just about palatable to everyone but not pushing envelopes or doing much controversial. I mean I guess I'm in the wrong by suggesting maybe films for different demographics would be good because in the end that would cost big corpos money and I must be the villain for not wanting Disney's CEO to be able to buy his 5th Megayacht.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

As I said you would then, you just proceed to downplay/dismiss/ignore anything brought up. You wonder why I didn't bother to reply the first time you asked for a pointless character run-down? Because this response was so predictable.

Have fun whining about gay people in shows. I'm done.

yes because the show downplayed them.

Here's a quick one.

What was Bill's job in Doctor Who?

 

[Buyetyen]

Maybe because he's here to try and understand other peoples positions and perspectives rather than to Strawman the position of anyone who doesn't tow the line exactly how he wants out of some delusional belief that the person is an agent of "The No Goodnicks" being paid off in Bison dollar to um.....do....um.... oh yeh suggest studios should cater to different demographics rather than trying to make everything into some giant mass appeal thing that is just about palatable to everyone but not pushing envelopes or doing much controversial. I mean I guess I'm in the wrong by suggesting maybe films for different demographics would be good because in the end that would cost big corpos money and I must be the villain for not wanting Disney's CEO to be able to buy his 5th Megayacht.

Yes, yes, you're very smart, we know.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Yes, yes, you're very smart, we know.

you know the sarcastic barb would have far more impact if you could even show some sign of doing what like logic would say, if I were right, you'd do

 

[Trunkage]

Is it made up when the argument being put forward is the idea Ukraine shouldn't be fighting back but trying to settle with Russia by giving them stuff?

Because as is shown that's the argument going on.

No. That's not the problem. You strawmanning my positions. You haven't even shown that you even listened to what I said

There are 20 different groups who have different opinions

You decided to call them ALL woke and lump them together. You know, to strawman them all. Then you can't fathom why they don't agree with each other. THAT'S the problem

Yes, some people on the left think that Ukraine should settle with Russia. There are actually multiple DIFFERENT groups doing it for various different philosophies. There are multiple DIFFERENT groups who oppose this for various different philosophies. They are NOT one big homogeneous group.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

No. That's not the problem. You strawmanning my positions. You haven't even shown that you even listened to what I said

Which bit when you were strawmanning me or trying to say it was all by fault others were doing so?
Or
When you were claiming to know my actual position and where I'd go to with the argument next in a bafflingly wrong prediction?

There are 20 different groups who have different opinions

You decided to call them ALL woke and lump them together. You know, to strawman them all. Then you can't fathom why they don't agree with each other. THAT'S the problem

*Points to Anti-Woke thread* isn't that just what's been going on there for far more pages?

Hell I'm being lumped into and have been lumped into groups consistently here that I'm not part of because people conflate all the Anti-Woke groups together as one.

If you'd like to tell me the nuanced difference between the people involved here I'd like to hear it.

Vaush - An influencer known for hot takes who claims to be left wing and constantly says stupid stuff while running a private company where he refuses to make it a co-operative and insists on only paying his workers "The going rate" not sharing the profits of Vaush corp with them.

Hasan Piker -An influencer known for hot takes who claims to be left wing and constantly says stupid stuff while running a private company where he refuses to make it a co-operative and insists on only paying his workers "The going rate" not sharing the profits of Pike corp with them. Oh and he makes a bit more than Vaush normally and is the Nephew of Cenk from TYT.

 

[Buyetyen]

Yes, some people on the left think that Ukraine should settle with Russia. There are actually multiple DIFFERENT groups doing it for various different philosophies. There are multiple DIFFERENT groups who oppose this for various different philosophies. They are NOT one big homogeneous group.

This is a staple tactic of the alt-right. Slap people with labels so it's easier to dismiss and devalue what they have to say. No need to consider nuance, just treat your opposition as a hivemind that is simultaneously nefarious and dangerous while also being so incompetent and ineffectual as to be useless. Yes, these are contradictory assessments. No, fascists don't care.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

This is a staple tactic of the alt-right. Slap people with labels so it's easier to dismiss and devalue what they have to say. No need to consider nuance, just treat your opposition as a hivemind that is simultaneously nefarious and dangerous while also being so incompetent and ineffectual as to be useless. Yes, these are contradictory assessments. No, fascists don't care.

Didn't you just choose to slap me with a very specific label and have already done that one by implication?

Sorry but do you want to explain the nuanced differences between the variations of socialism that Hasan claims to believe in vs the kind Vaush claims to believe it?

 

[Trunkage]

Which bit when you were strawmanning me or trying to say it was all by fault others were doing so?
Or
When you were claiming to know my actual position and where I'd go to with the argument next in a bafflingly wrong prediction?


*Points to Anti-Woke thread* isn't that just what's been going on there for far more pages?

Hell I'm being lumped into and have been lumped into groups consistently here that I'm not part of because people conflate all the Anti-Woke groups together as one.

If you'd like to tell me the nuanced difference between the people involved here I'd like to hear it.

Vaush - An influencer known for hot takes who claims to be left wing and constantly says stupid stuff while running a private company where he refuses to make it a co-operative and insists on only paying his workers "The going rate" not sharing the profits of Vaush corp with them.

Hasan Piker -An influencer known for hot takes who claims to be left wing and constantly says stupid stuff while running a private company where he refuses to make it a co-operative and insists on only paying his workers "The going rate" not sharing the profits of Pike corp with them. Oh and he makes a bit more than Vaush normally and is the Nephew of Cenk from TYT.

No

If someone slots you into a group is NOT the same as combining 20 group and saying they all have the same ideology.

What are you even talking about? You can do a one to one comparison. Bring your evidence and we can see if they match. You can bring evidence to people if you think they are either communist, capitalist, fascist, racist, woke, feminist, etc and bring your definitions to see if they are correct or not. Eg. You can bring evidence of North Korea and what they do and see if they match one of these group listed. We can look at everyone's definitions and see what matches.

This is opposed to doing the Jordan Peterson 'everything I disagree with is Post Modern Cultural Marxism'. It just shows he doesn't 1. know what Post Modern is. 2. know what Cultural Marxism is. 3. Realise these two groups are against each other 4. realise that he's just strawmanning. 5. Combined a bunch of people that dont do any Post Modern or Marxism and claimed they are Post Modern Marxists. 6. understand anything about what he's complaining about because no such group exists.

Just to be clear. I don't care for whatever YT drama you've cooked up. I haven't argued for or against any of there positions here. I'm not going to. You bringing it up again and again has got nothing to do with what I've been talking about

 

[Trunkage]

Also, I didn't bring up strawmen and applied it to you first. You brought it up and applied it to me.

You can go back in history on this site, including the old version. I've probably use strawman here in the last week more times than the last decade I've been here.

If you have problems with someone else about strawmen, complain to them. Im not them, dude.

Stop pretending we're are all the same

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

Someone needs to get this menace under control

 

[Buyetyen]

Didn't you just choose to slap me with a very specific label and have already done that one by implication?

Sorry but do you want to explain the nuanced differences between the variations of socialism that Hasan claims to believe in vs the kind Vaush claims to believe it?

I'd be happy to have a conversation about the nuances of socialist policy with somebody who isn't you.