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I find this bizarre, unless there's something missing.

A university should provide a respectful and inclusive learning environment for its students. It can academically challenge them, it can have standards of conduct and punish students that infringe, and lecturers can pose difficult and alternative views. But I absolutely do not see how "freedom of speech" reasonably extends to allowing lecturers to denigrate students.

If the university accepts students' declared genders, then it should be able to require its staff to respect students' gender as well.
Second sentence was heavily sarcastic. I'm sickened by the number of Patriots and/or Christians in this country who have absolutely zero sense of responsibility, decorum, or even just basic "not being a fuckhead" instinct toward their fellow people. Like, I've seen assholes lay down fucking smokescreens of badly burned diesel on the interstate where everybody's trying to go 80 mph because they saw a hybrid vehicle. It's an ideology of toddlers and we have to pretend it's a valid belief system
 

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Second sentence was heavily sarcastic. I'm sickened by the number of Patriots and/or Christians in this country who have absolutely zero sense of responsibility, decorum, or even just basic "not being a fuckhead" instinct toward their fellow people. Like, I've seen assholes lay down fucking smokescreens of badly burned diesel on the interstate where everybody's trying to go 80 mph because they saw a hybrid vehicle. It's an ideology of toddlers and we have to pretend it's a valid belief system
They remember all the verses about what constitutes a sin, but none of the ones about not judging your neighbor or showing love for your fellow man.
 
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Like, I've seen assholes lay down fucking smokescreens of badly burned diesel on the interstate where everybody's trying to go 80 mph because they saw a hybrid vehicle. It's an ideology of toddlers and we have to pretend it's a valid belief system
Rolling Coal makes sense if you are in a bad Bond rip-off, otherwise, WTF is wrong with them?
 

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No

If someone slots you into a group is NOT the same as combining 20 group and saying they all have the same ideology.
I'm sorry but considering I've already presented the question to tell me what the difference is between Vaush and Hasan's positions and no-one here has been able to tell me the difference in their ideological positions I'm going to have to call this pure and simple sophistry because slotting me into a group I clearly am not part of for the purpose of basically smearing me and using that label as a way to attack me and force me to continually defend is in no way fair game especially when doing the same to you or others here by associating you with I dunno some hippy death cultist would no doubt lead to you crying foul.

So if you believe I'm wrong here kindly answer the question as to what the specific nuances between Vaush and Hasan's breed of modern marxist influence socialism are that makes them so different otherwise I have to question how you can in any way claim it is fair to slot me into a group I rather clearly have vast differences from, I mean it is rather blatant hypocrisy and "It's OK when we do it" thinking,

What are you even talking about? You can do a one to one comparison. Bring your evidence and we can see if they match. You can bring evidence to people if you think they are either communist, capitalist, fascist, racist, woke, feminist, etc and bring your definitions to see if they are correct or not. Eg. You can bring evidence of North Korea and what they do and see if they match one of these group listed. We can look at everyone's definitions and see what matches.
Yet I have and you have chosen not to counter it but try to deflect.

This is opposed to doing the Jordan Peterson 'everything I disagree with is Post Modern Cultural Marxism'. It just shows he doesn't 1. know what Post Modern is. 2. know what Cultural Marxism is. 3. Realise these two groups are against each other 4. realise that he's just strawmanning. 5. Combined a bunch of people that dont do any Post Modern or Marxism and claimed they are Post Modern Marxists. 6. understand anything about what he's complaining about because no such group exists.
Because part of the unfortunate modern cultural Marxist idea laid down by former Russian propaganda operatives who defected is the idea of breaking down foundations of society and undermining it. Thus to some pushing the full cultural Marxist view everything is a target if seen as part of "The Establishment". To fix the world in their view every foundation must be destroyed and rebuilt from based on their ideas.

Hell even part of it is the decay in the definition or words to create a nebulous idea such that no matter what happens when called out a group can pretend they're something else. It's like when a bunch of people proudly declared on social media how they were social justice warriors. Then 2 months later were saying that Social Justice Warriors didn't exist.

Just to be clear. I don't care for whatever YT drama you've cooked up. I haven't argued for or against any of there positions here. I'm not going to. You bringing it up again and again has got nothing to do with what I've been talking about
yes because why take an actual position and have to actually defend it when that could allow you to los and instead argue from an every changing nebulous position and blame you opponent for not being psychic and not forever know what position you actually are taking. Kind of shows how much any issue matters in the end if you won't even stand by a position doesn't it?
 

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I'd be happy to have a conversation about the nuances of socialist policy with somebody who isn't you.
Well too bad I'm here. If you don't want to have to deal with that I'm sure there's some subreddit you can go to to circlejerk about how awful people like me are while banning anyone who dares challenge your or your friends narratives at all with inconvenient things like facts and logic.
 

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Captain Jack didn't have the "BTW, I'm bisexual" over and over. It was just something presented.

Heck, even Yaz's crush on Thirteen was handled better than Bill.
Not watched Flux (I was done after the Christmas Special before Flux) but I will say Chibnall did basically nothing to set up Yaz's crush on Thirteen before Flux so I really do wonder if it was him or another writing just plucking randomly from the shipping community to try and pull in some kind of audience there


Wait, are we talking about promotional material, or the show itself? Because in Vagrant Queen, there's a "thing" between Elida and Amae, but it happens naturally, and no-one bats an eyelid.

Also, while I'm here, I'm going to say that Vagrant Queen needs more love. It's as close I've got to finding something akin to Farscape bar GotG. :(
The marketing definitely pushed it


Cafeteria lady, IIRC (without looking anything up).

Bill doesn't rank highly on my list of NuWho companions, but she isn't dead last (looking at you, Chibnall!)
Glad some-one was able to state her job lol. But yeh it really isn't brought up much beyond maybe 1 episode briefly where we see her doing the job for about 10 seconds. I get others we didn't see doing jobs etc but with some we very much did or at least fleshed out more as characters living their lives.
 

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I find this bizarre, unless there's something missing.

A university should provide a respectful and inclusive learning environment for its students. It can academically challenge them, it can have standards of conduct and punish students that infringe, and lecturers can pose difficult and alternative views. But I absolutely do not see how "freedom of speech" reasonably extends to allowing lecturers to denigrate students.

If the university accepts students' declared genders, then it should be able to require its staff to respect students' gender as well.
I dunno if the students preferred pronouns were bun / bunself or some other neopronoun stuff or even Xeno pronouns stuff I'm pretty sure I'd refuse to use them and just use the students name (which even some are calling offensive because it's deliberate avoidance of using pronouns)
 

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I find this bizarre, unless there's something missing.

A university should provide a respectful and inclusive learning environment for its students. It can academically challenge them, it can have standards of conduct and punish students that infringe, and lecturers can pose difficult and alternative views. But I absolutely do not see how "freedom of speech" reasonably extends to allowing lecturers to denigrate students.

If the university accepts students' declared genders, then it should be able to require its staff to respect students' gender as well.
Using pronouns is not denigrating a student... And how often does a teacher refer to a student with a pronoun anyway? Maybe twice a semester if that. That's not a hostile environment or denigrating a student.

Is someone asking to be called say Bill instead of Mr. Smith denigrating them by continuing to call them Mr. Smith? Should I call up Michael Jordan and ask him if it's alright to call him MJ while talking with friends about basketball?

Second sentence was heavily sarcastic. I'm sickened by the number of Patriots and/or Christians in this country who have absolutely zero sense of responsibility, decorum, or even just basic "not being a fuckhead" instinct toward their fellow people. Like, I've seen assholes lay down fucking smokescreens of badly burned diesel on the interstate where everybody's trying to go 80 mph because they saw a hybrid vehicle. It's an ideology of toddlers and we have to pretend it's a valid belief system
Same sentiment to those virtue signaling by buying electric cars. Where do you think the electricity for that car is coming from...? Toddlers on both sides. I even saw someone arguing online that it's OK to build Tesla's like shit without modular parts (that cost way too much to repair) because getting more Teslas out there faster is helping the environment...

I dunno if the students preferred pronouns were bun / bunself or some other neopronoun stuff or even Xeno pronouns stuff I'm pretty sure I'd refuse to use them and just use the students name (which even some are calling offensive because it's deliberate avoidance of using pronouns)
A friend who's a manager at Target got reported by another employee because he wouldn't call her they but instead referred to her as Stephanie, her name.
 

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A friend who's a manager at Target got reported by another employee because he wouldn't call her they but instead referred to her as Stephanie, her name.
Because they can tell when you're doing it specifically to avoid acknowledging their identity. This is going to come as a shock to you, but trans and nonbinary people are people too and have the empathetic capacity to recognize when someone is bullshitting them.
 
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Same sentiment to those virtue signaling by buying electric cars. Where do you think the electricity for that car is coming from?
At scale, a coal or natural gas plant is less polluting than an internal combustion engine.
Toddlers on both sides. I even saw someone arguing online that it's OK to build Tesla's like shit without modular parts (that cost way too much to repair) because getting more Teslas out there faster is helping the environment...
Yeah, running an old car for a decent amount of time, though not to too much of an extreme, in a vacuum, is better than building a new one
Because they can tell when you're doing it specifically to avoid acknowledging their identity. This is going to come as a shock to you, but trans and nonbinary people are people too and have the empathetic capacity to recognize when someone is bullshitting them.
I mean, the big complaint is the total lack of empathy for their fellow humans, so they might *not* know
 

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Rolling Coal makes sense if you are in a bad Bond rip-off, otherwise, WTF is wrong with them?
Straight up Captain Planet Villian shit, expect they are paying for the privilege. It's bizarre.
No, I mean it's bizarre that a professor was able to force a university to let him be a **** to students.
It is apparently against his religion to not be a choade. Nevermind how that makes his religion look
 

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A friend who's a manager at Target got reported by another employee because he wouldn't call her they but instead referred to her as Stephanie, her name.
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that there was more to the situation than just what you've presented here.
 

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Because they can tell when you're doing it specifically to avoid acknowledging their identity. This is going to come as a shock to you, but trans and nonbinary people are people too and have the empathetic capacity to recognize when someone is bullshitting them.
So you agree that calling someone by their name is something a person could get reported for? Do you not see how ridiculous this stance is. How is a spanish speaking person to refer to a non-binary person in spanish when they have to use either a masculine or famine word?


At scale, a coal or natural gas plant is less polluting than an internal combustion engine.

Yeah, running an old car for a decent amount of time, though not to too much of an extreme, in a vacuum, is better than building a new one
EVs running off coal electricity produce more carbon emissions than a normal car. Also the carbon required to make an EV is more than a normal car. I know EVs on average have less carbon imprint but it's not as massive as most people think.


I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that there was more to the situation than just what you've presented here.
That is everything I know and I have no reason to not believe my friend.
 

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Using pronouns is not denigrating a student...
I think you'll find that denying someone's identity, particularly where they have reason to be very sensitive about it, tends to make them very upset.

You should realise this for yourself, if you decided to employ some empathy and imagination towards your fellow humans, instead of knee-jerk ideological disagreement.