My dog has more of a soul in its slightly puckered anus than the entire republican party has.
Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion
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Amazing the logical lengths people go to to excuse the killing of animals, up to and including the invention of a completely undetectable but nonetheless absolutely essential component of any life worth protecting (the soul).
...we've mostly just accepted it as a premise and an argument, but the whole idea is really a load of bollocks IMO.
Real simple. If someone wants to have an abortion, that's up to them to decide. Not my business to tell someone they can't.
Second this. Not my business to tell people what medical procedures they can and can't have.
I prefer to not have an opinion.
No according to christianity only humans do, animals don't go to heaven sadly. (played a big part in eventually turning agnostic cause I grew up with a boxer)
Same. I don't have a womb, it's not my decision.
They aren't confused. Even the most Orthodox of Jewish factions uphold the right to an abortion under more lenient circumstances than the harshest of anti-abortion laws being proposed
Isn't there a part of the bible that a human doesn't get a soul until its born? That even during an active labor, until the baby emerges, its still soulless.
Available on demand up until the foetus can be considered a person. Where that line is, I don't know, and judging by the variety of limits used in various countries, it seems people are in disagreement on when that is (though that probably reflects politics more than medical opinions).
Also: if the mother's health is at risk then they shouldn't be forced to carry the baby to term, even if that means killing an unborn baby.
IIRC, there are several parts of the Bible that say things like that, though often contradictory.
I mean the Bible, as a cohesive book, as a moral guide, is just a mess. Its very clearly just a loose collection of vaguely related desert nomadic tribe tales about not raping your daughter or the donkey, cut with stories about how your cousin's friends ex-boyfriend's uncle's boss's boss's daughter's piano teacher pinkie pie promises she saw an angel once after eating rotten fruit and a half dead squirrel and the angel had eleven heads and fourteen bat wings and was on fire and had tits and told the piano teacher she's the new president.
And I guess back then that was eye witness testimony because it works more than once.
And all of this has been mistranslated and edited a hundred million times over the years to fit political agendas. You know...a pretty good way to run a modern country.
Her really speaking it's a first breath sort of deal. Fated individuals and prophets tend to be a bit more hands on, but fated individuals and prophets aren't under threat of abortion either, due to the whole fate and/or prophecy thing.
Christians tend to ignore that last bit.
The problem is, some states are apparently going to be passing laws banning interstate travel for purposes of an abortion. That's where the concern for this comes in.
The donkey, no, but raping/allowing to be raped/being raped by your daughter/female relative/female you are in power over does have Biblical precedent.
They are also going to monitor period tracking aps for the same reason.
If you can't be prosecuted for having an abortion (being a cis man and/or your state doesn't hate you), one way you can fight this is by downloading that ap (and I guess going past abortion clinics) to mess with their metadata.
On a not totally unrelated note, before the US civil war, a lot of states that didn't allow slavery did allow slave catchers to catch black people suspected of being runaway slaves (not many questions were asked about how you knew they were a runaway slave), and made it a crime to help escaped slaves (or even not report a black person you thought might be a slave).