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The Rogue Wolf

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People would take you more seriously if you actually made arguments.
Okay, as someone who's made plenty of arguments: Quit moving the goalposts.

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Well that just sounds exactly like what an unempathetic person would say to justify their own lack of empathy 👀
The whole "litter boxes in classrooms" thing started as a "hurr hurr, furries" meme, but Republicans don't care if something is true or not- they just want more ammo for their "the left are all degenerates; they'll destroy America unless we destroy them first!" narrative.
 

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It comes up decently often that you would agree with me if you weren't misled because our perspectives in general are not nearly as far apart. That's not a universal rule for all of humanity, comments I make like that to you are intended for you.
How incredibly condescending. The arrogance required to believe this is blinding.
 
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Her most impressive accomplishment to date to be sure.
On one hand, I got a decent-sized pay cheque in dollars the other day, so thanks Liz. On the other hand, all my other money is worth a lot fucking less and everything costs a lot fucking more. So yeah, thanks Liz.
 

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Fucker's gonna try it again. And why not, the political divide in the USA isn't a matter of politics, it's a split in the definition of material reality at this point.
I mean he's functionally judgement-proof at this point.

And he's right, they won't see the amount of the judgement from him - he'll spend a bunch fighting to reduce it if there's any way he can, and then a court will decide which of his assets must be liquidated to pay towards the judgements, and even if the answer were everything he owned including selling every organ he doesn't need to continue living on the black market it won't touch the total. Any further judgements are just numbers.

To put a point on it: how many people who preach about empathy for the poor apply that to poor people who voted for Donald Trump?
Not just them, but members of any identity group that doesn't believe what they are "supposed" to. For example, MRA Karen Straughn literally got her start on YouTube in response to people accusing her of being a man lying about being a woman.
 

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I think today Liz Truss may be the funniest thing in anti woke world.
Okay, I haven't been keeping track of everything she said since since got the upgrade...

Has she talked about how woke is ruining everything? (Paraphased however you like)

Otherwise I wouldn't call her anti-woke. She's just a conservative. Yes, I'm being a pedant
 
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Based on the "you know I'm right" study.

To put a point on it: how many people who preach about empathy for the poor apply that to poor people who voted for Donald Trump?
Poor people who voted for Trump? I've heard a LOT about how they were tricked into believing Trump lies so they could vote for him. That they hurt them more than anyone else. We had 5 years of it. It was incessant. Here, if you hear a Liberal discussing 'uneducated' or 'uniformed', it falls in this area. Call it a dog whistle if you will

What are you even talking about?

Do you think Qanon is synonymous with poor people who voted for Trump? Because I would say there hasn't been any empathy for Q
 
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People would take you more seriously if you actually made arguments. Your contributions to this forum are effectively shouting "I'M NOT LISTENING" a few times in every thread.
This may come as a shock to you dude, but I don't give 2 shits if you take me seriously. And if all I'm doing is baiting you, what does it say about you that you keep taking the bait?
 
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Okay, I haven't been keeping track of everything she said since since got the upgrade...

Has she talked about how woke is ruining everything? (Paraphased however you like)

Otherwise I wouldn't call her anti-woke. She's just a conservative. Yes, I'm being a pedant
She's accused the civil service of being ruined by "woke". As well as equating "woke"-ness with antisemitism.

 
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She's accused of the civil service being ruined by "woke". As well as equating "woke"-ness with antisemitism.

Fair enough. I remember the debate being full of Badenoch, Braverman and Mordaunt having incredibly hot takes. I've had to take a palette cleanse from the race to the bottom
 

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Okay, as someone who's made plenty of arguments: Quit moving the goalposts.
I moved no goalposts. If you'd like to argue that I have, you'll need to do it with an actual argument. "Moved the goalposts" is buzzword nonsense.
How incredibly condescending. The arrogance required to believe this is blinding.
I perceive commonalities between us, and you consider that arrogant and condescending?
What are you even talking about?
People take pity on the poor and underprivileged. That isn't empathetic to those who don't want their pity.
This may come as a shock to you dude, but I don't give 2 shits if you take me seriously. And if all I'm doing is baiting you, what does it say about you that you keep taking the bait?
I comment here because I have fun arguing with people. I am the one entertained by this. I would be more entertained if you tried contributing, so hopefully that happens someday.
 

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I comment here because I have fun arguing with people. I am the one entertained by this. I would be more entertained if you tried contributing, so hopefully that happens someday.
If that's how it is, no judgments. God knows I went through that phase in my 20's.
 

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I honestly don't understand this. You literally have a brother, someone who's related to you to fight through life and help you. I never had that, but he killed his own brother in a mass- murder-suicide.
 

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Someone I liked as a government offical literally crashed the UK economy.
 

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People take pity on the poor and underprivileged. That isn't empathetic to those who don't want their pity.
Who is this 'people' you are talking about?
Clearly, your understanding of pity is different from mine. Would you care to give us your definition?
Why do you think it's so offensive to poor/underprivilege people?
Why are we talking about pity? Because YOU can't empathise with a person without showing pity towards them? that sounds like a you problem. If you think its so offensive, how about you just... stop doing that
 

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Who is this 'people' you are talking about?
Clearly, your understanding of pity is different from mine. Would you care to give us your definition?
Why do you think it's so offensive to poor/underprivilege people?
Why are we talking about pity? Because YOU can't empathise with a person without showing pity towards them? that sounds like a you problem. If you think its so offensive, how about you just... stop doing that
No, we're talking about pity because that's what people think empathy is.

Pity is compassion for the suffering of others.
Empathy is understanding the feelings of others.

When someone asks you to have empathy, I guarantee they are talking about people who are suffering and asking you to have compassion for them. That's pity. That's not a bad thing, but that's pity. That's what pity is.

Like, lets consider the plight of the homeless. People might say we should have empathy for the homeless and help them. But a high percentage of the homeless have substance abuse problems, who don't want to be in shelters because they can't do drugs there, their addiction drives them away from help. Empathizing with that person isn't a bad thing, but it doesn't lead you to getting them off the streets and free of drugs. Sometimes people don't want help. Empathy is not going to drive you to help someone who doesn't want it. Pity is what drives people to do so. Pity is the kinder option in that scenario.

Then I'll go back to Lyndon Johnson and the great society, as I like to do, for the inverse. They did a study and found black people were unhappy because they were kept out of nice neighborhoods, rejected from all the good jobs, and harassed by the police. Policy based in empathy would have pushed to get black Americans further integrated into society, Johnson went with policy based in pity that built housing projects and created a welfare state so they wouldn't need the nice jobs. Empathy would have been the better option.

And then there's the subject of empathy for those who aren't suffering. You don't see the people preaching empathy showing empathy for conservatives or Christians or the wealthy. You can make just as much effort to understand the feelings of the rich as you do the poor, that is equally empathetic a process. But here we have a situation where a mother finds out her son's middle school classroom has "This Book is Gay" available for students, a book written by an adult provided by a school run by adults which contains literal instructions on how to give better handjobs, and people have absolutely no empathy at all for that woman or her concerns. How could you have empathy for her when the LGBTQ children are suffering? I'm telling you, that feeling isn't empathy, it's pity.