Hell, factually speaking, being open and communicative about sex ends up preventing abuse, among a host of other things
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...so, have you seen the viral video of a bunch of white idiots almost lynching a black family because they thought their car was too nice?
I think you're overestimating the ability of a group of idiots with cameras
I would not say that I'm religious anymore. I can confirm that I am worried about negative consequences for my kids. You can call that keeping them pure etc. I do want to protect them and understand this desire...
But I am also aware of what happens in this over zealousness of this approach. You can tell which kids had that over bearing religious approach because when they turned 18 amd left the strict parent control, they went bananas (18 is drinking age here so maybe the age is different in the US). They got into heaps of dangerous stuff because no one gave them any tools to deal with it. See also: Mormons
Yeah, that's the really funny thing about the mindset- you keep these kids in absolute ignorance about their own bodies until the day they turn 18, at which point they are expected to magically transform into well-adjusted adults ready to start popping out grandchildren.
Or, you know, it could be wanting to be able to let them be kids for a while before having to stuff their heads with preparation for being adults.
Oh yeah, some of the most out of control people I knew in my early 20s came from strict religious backgrounds.
So firstly, I read the book, and my overarching impression is that I really question the sheer, vacuous, cosmic emptiness a person must have inside them to stake any part of their identity on objecting to its existence.
Like, it's not a perfect book. There are parts of it that I think are kind of cringe. There are parts of it that I feel are misrepresentative. But there is absolutely nothing there that should warrant a single picosecond of a normal, healthy human being's limited and precious time on this earth getting upset over.
And this is a good example. Because that story isn't about grooming. It's a perfectly normal story of the kind of hypergamous behaviour a teenage girl or gay boy might engage in perfectly willingly and consensually and never once look back on with any kind of regret. I mean, use a little of that empathy and put yourself in the position of a sixteen year old girl. If you have the choice of dating a sixteen year old boy, or dating someone older, then there's a pretty clear optimal choice in terms of which is likely to be safer for you, and which is likely to be more enjoyable. Even better, put yourself in the position of a sixteen year old gay boy. You probably don't know any other gay boys your own age and again, if your priority is not getting stabbed with scissors in some kind of gay-panic heterosexual meltdown, there is a pretty clear optimal choice.
See, that question of how you deal with these situations was real, because all of the things I described have happened to people I know, but not all of them were examples of grooming. Some of them absolutely were (generally the more innocuous seeming ones) but a fair number of them were just examples of perfectly legal stuff teenagers get up to and which was actually just fine.
You cannot navigate this kind of complexity by just lecturing kids on what they shouldn't do without explaining why.
I would also add that I left out a lot of the really fucking dark shit that comes with people growing up in countries where being gay is not legal, because that's a level of complexity I don't think I'm up to processing. I feel like that probably needs its own book, only instead of instructions on how to give a handjob it would have an explanation of how to dispose of a corpse.
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Certain lawmakers in Michigan are wanting to make gender transitions for kids more illegal than sex abuse
Worth noting that 16 year olds can get married to whoever in Michigan, with parental approval
Worth noting that 16 year olds can get married to whoever in Michigan, with parental approval
It's insane for a child to have a gender identity, except when you tell your son that he can't wear dresses because he's a boy.
That's just his biological gender. If you have a penis you need bifurcated leggings, it's genetic
In the US it's 21 and yeah if some kid is actually being made not to drink until that age they're likely to get alcohol poisoning on their 21st birthday party. Where I grew up you can have some wine with your meals if you're eating with family even at a restaurant and I've had like maybe a quarter glass of wine once or twice a week since I was like 7 so it was just seen as something normal and not a taboo or a forbidden pleasure so I have never had any trouble with alcohol as a grownup due to that. We even had a home-made barrel of wine too that I had unlimited access to but I actually never even had the desire to like...sneak away a drink from it, cause if I wanted some and asked properly my folks would give me some. So yeah, the less you turn something into a forbidden pleasure the less people will develop and unhealthy habit centered around it.
A guy on a street corner filming a box for dropping off absentee/mail ballots is more threatening than a guy standing at the entrance to the polls in uniform with a weapon and shouting racial epithets? You either have a weird scale for measuring threats, or don't believe anyone should vote in person.
You are describing exactly why statutory rape laws exist. Yes, sometimes children in their own minds desire intimate contact with an adult, but that action is still so wrong as to prosecute it as rape. This is what I mean when I say the sexuality of the youth has nothing to do with child molestation, because it doesn't matter if that 15 year old wants to flirt with that shop owner, it's still wrong. It doesn't get to be consensual.
No, I'm not. Nothing described in that story is remotely illegal, nor for that matter is there any suggestion that it might be abusive.
Flirting is not a sex act.
Grooming is recognized as a crime in the UK. In order for it to be a crime, something criminal must occur. Consensual sex between a sixteen year old and an older person is not intrinsically a crime. It could potentially be a crime if it involves some other form of abuse or the exploitation of a vulnerable person, but there's absolutely nothing to indicate that that occurred in this case.
If you approach adolescent sexuality on the basis that all sex is morally wrong and that adolescent sexuality is not allowed to exist, you are not capable of protecting children, you are only capable of protecting yourself from the responsibility of protecting children. Protecting children requires that they develop an intuitive and age-appropriate understanding of their own rights, not that they remain sexless for fear of upsetting you.
No, what's happened here is that you've chosen the most extreme form of one, but not the other, to make the comparison convenient.
Funny how most opposition to laws banning children getting married to adults comes from the right.
Cowards are picking on a defenseless teenager. Put them against someone their own size or slightly bigger and they'll lose all that bravery all of a sudden. Sit down, shut up, and screw off.
Source?
So, to be clear, you want to expose children below the age of consent to sexual content so that they can be intellectually prepared to have sex with substantially older adults the day it becomes legal for them to do so, if they so choose?
So the Federalist is going full mask off fascist
Damn near every time it gets brought up.
I took a quick look through that thread, and it seems like everyone trying to defend the article brings up one single line about "dismantling Big Tech" and says "does that seem fascist to you?".
I guess we've found the new "at least with Mussolini, the trains ran on time". (Spoiler: They didn't, but he had anyone who said so killed.)