Turns out he has committed many, many crimes.
If you really don't care, I would consider reflecting on why dismissed the story as fake.
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If you really don't care, I would consider reflecting on why dismissed the story as fake.
Because the Republicans said so. If they said the sky was blue, I'd double check. I don't think you grasp just how little credibility they have among people who don't vote for them.
If you double checked the Hunter Biden laptop story, you'd find non-Republican sources validating it. That isn't what happened in this case. Instead, the opposite was assumed and never double checked.
You'd find that ***some tangential parts*** are validated. The actual laptop's providence is still in question, none of the "Joe is in on it" stuff has any supporting evidence, and the entirety of the pedophile/satanic/etc claims are (obviously) entirely made up.
What has been validated is that Hunter does drugs, screws prostitutes, and gets positions he's not qualified for based entirely on his last name. Now the first two are certainly illegal and the last is definitely unethical, but it's also a description that fits 50% of the wealthy elite in this country, including most of the Trump family. I'd be down for locking them all up, but to pretend Hunter is some specially bad/evil case is laughably ignorant.
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If only we had a Rule of Law institution that actually applied the Rule of Law to the rich. It's almost like the Rule of Law doesn't actually mean what people think it means
If Hunter needs to go down so every other rich a-hole can go down, that's wonderful. If he's singled and everyone else gets away scott free, I'm asking many, many questions. See also Jeffery Epstein. Someone who definitely sex trafficked but no one has been charged for using his services
Computer experts have analyzed the laptop and digitally validated some of the contents. Online databases have been cross-referenced to confirm more of it to be real. To my knowledge, none of the contents of the laptop have at any point been demonstrated to be fake. And a former business partner of Hunter has gone public saying that all the correspondence with him in the emails (including Hunter telling a Chinese company that he was paying his father with their money) is real correspondence. That does not prove Joe Biden was involved at all, Hunter could just have been lying, which is perfectly plausible.
But also, a panel of intelligence experts all publicly signed off on a statement claiming the laptop was Russian misinformation planted to influence the election. The FBI mobilized to get stories of the laptop pulled off of social media. The New York Post was suspended from Twitter for posting information that is almost certainly true, and now we know it was because the FBI told the social media leadership is was misinformation even though the FBI was at the time already investigating Hunter Biden for his overseas business dealings.
And the issue you find of utmost importance is that Q dweebs on 4chan made up claims that the laptop had evidence of the satanic pedophile ring.
Those articles are from spring of this year and aren't an indictment. The shit from before the election was shitbricks like tucky bucky and the right wing turd brigade spinning all sorts of stupid stories about how the dog age the laptop package and that's why they couldn't find it. Excuse me if that doesn't impress me in the least.
if he's guilty, put him on trial and put him in fucking jail. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.
Also, why the fuck are we talking about Hunter Biden? Did he announce he was running for something recently? Or is this another attempt to throw shit around for reasons?
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Don't you understand? If we can prove that one Democrat did something wrong, then we can impeach all Democrats forever!
I miss the pre-election stuff, where instead of just claiming that Biden (et al) might have done, to some degree, some of the stuff Trump has openly done on a massive scale, the talk was about what Biden might do when he gets in.
I mean, Biden didn't die i the first 6 months of office like we were assured he would, and he didn't declare war on Syria like it was suggested he might, but Trump demonstrably didn't do either of those things either, and until Biden gets into power there's no real way of proving he won't.
But yeah, if you keep on having to bring up irrelevant stuff, or outright lie about your opponents, maybe you should stop and rethink.
I mean, Biden didn't die i the first 6 months of office like we were assured he would, and he didn't declare war on Syria like it was suggested he might, but Trump demonstrably didn't do either of those things either, and until Biden gets into power there's no real way of proving he won't.
But yeah, if you keep on having to bring up irrelevant stuff, or outright lie about your opponents, maybe you should stop and rethink.
Because the real story here isn't about Joe Biden or even about Hunter Biden. The real story is about the intelligence community and mass media mobilizing and coordinating to misinform the public about an issue because it might have hurt the Democratic Party.
I have no hesitance meeting in the middle on the laptop itself, the middle being "yes, it's likely authentic, but it's also politically irrelevant." At this moment in time, I think you have to be either foolish or misinformed to think the laptop was fake information. It is also true that it hasn't really implicated Joe Biden at all, other than just in Hunter Biden's words, which really can't be trusted. If anything, the tales of Biden's horrible family members make Joe Biden himself a more sympathetic figure. Just about everyone knows what it's like to have a family member screw up, to watch someone you love just make terrible decisions and not really have any power to stop them. I don't think the laptop hurts Joe Biden at all.
And yet the intelligence community stepped in to assure the public that the laptop was just Russia trying to interfere in the election to benefit Trump again. Zuckerberg has said the FBI told them to stop the story from spreading on Facebook, and we're finding out that the Department of Homeland Security is telling social media sites what to throttle regularly. Maybe it's not even really about Joe Biden, per se. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Democrats had just spent 6 months impeaching the President of the United States on the claim that Trump was trying to blackmail Ukraine into doing a phony investigation into Biden's family. A laptop of evidence for the subject of that hypothetical investigation, Hunter Biden's shady overseas business dealings, is likely far more damning for the Democrats who impeached and the investigators who supported that effort than it is for Joe Biden.
You should be mad at this. You all should be mad at this. I don't think many people here are particular fans of Facebook, or Twitter, or the FBI, or the US Intelligence Agencies. I don't think all of you would defend them in many contexts. And in this context, those groups coordinated to deceive the public, to deceive you, and you believed them. You should be mad that you were lied to, and yet the general sentiment here seems to be "well, as long as they were trying to hurt Republicans, I don't care".
That's the major flaw: they don't think at all, expect somebody to think for them (then take all the credit for doing nothing), yet want to act like they're in charge, or think they know everything.
So basically they said “This might be real but it looks suspicious as fuck so chill on spreading the story until we sort it out”, right?
Cool. And you should remember Russia was trying and very likely did influence the 2016 election and probably did so in 2020 as well in order to sow disarray in the US political system. The number of very sus interactions between Russia and the Trump campaign only adds to this. The fact such efforts seem to benefit Republicans and Trump should be kept in mind and why Intelligence agencies would feel to need to clarify that.
One can be very cynical of Corporate/US Intelligence shenanigans sha and also see rank garbage being peddled by foreign agents and their useful idiots here in the US influence elections at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive.
If you want to talk about corpos/the CIA/etc being reigned in, let's talk about that. I'd be more then happy to go to town on that. Drop this Laptop bullshit which has the marks of a disinformation ploy because it must makes you look like you're grasping at straws. If it's not about the laptop, stop bringing it up.
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"Marks of a disinformation ploy"... You are just being willfully ignorant now. You've been presented the facts, provided by sources that even lean left, that all point to this info being real, but you're still trying to dismiss it. How can you talk about reigning in groups while actively parroting their lies?
I will consider their nuance relevant when they publish a follow-up amending their claims. If someone says "my expert opinion is to wait for more information", and then they refuse further information, their goal was always to obfuscate.
When did they refuse further information? Just not making a press release about it isn't refusing further information. That's not really the FBI's #1 job.
This one wasn't the FBI. This was a conglomeration of "former intelligence officials". They personally put their names on the line to discredit information. If the information is then found to be accurate, and they don't rescind their comments, it is their names that are discredited. Not that it necessarily matters, when some of them are literally the same people who argued there were WMDs in Iraq. But I'm sure you can understand why it would bother me that their incorrect assessment of material they hadn't even seen still dominates the discussion of Hunter's laptop.
And we're back on the laptop again.
Tells me all I need to know.
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