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Missed this happening just before Christmas, sovereign citizen shooting in Australia after police attempted to perform a welfare check.





Queensland Police are refusing to disclose what information they had on the Wieambilla shooters before the attack, as questions mount over the decision to send junior officers to visit individuals with a recent history of hostile and erratic behaviour that was known to police.

In the week since the attack on a remote property in Queensland’s Western Downs that left three victims — including two police officers — and the three perpetrators dead, the state’s police service has given few details about the lead-up to the shooting.

Queensland Police Service commissioner Katarina Carroll said last week that she did not have the “full extent of information” about what was known about Gareth, Nathaniel and Stacey Train before the shooting.



QPS declined to answer questions about whether officers had visited the Wieambilla property or interacted with the Trains recently: “While the matter is currently being investigated, and respecting the sensitivities of the families involved, it would be inappropriate for the QPS to provide further comment at this time.”

Train brothers’ run-ins with the law

New details about the Trains’ online history and alleged previous run-ins with police have come to light.

On Friday, Crikey was first to report on a now-deleted YouTube channel that posted footage from Gareth and Stacey Train in the lead-up to, and even during, the fatal attack.

In several videos and comments, the account’s users alluded to specific interactions with police. One video, posted on Friday morning, uses the logo and theme music for the US television program Cops before naming four Queensland and NSW police officers.

“Let’s get straight to the question that all you boys want answered,” an artificially lowered male voice says.

The voice tells them to ask another named police officer “what happens when you come up on old Daniel here and threaten to pull your pistols”. Gareth Train’s middle name is Daniel, and he appears to refer to himself using it throughout the videos.

The video is accompanied by a paranoid caption: “You attempt to abduct us using contractors. You attempt to intimidate and target us with your Raytheon Learjets and planes. You sent ‘covert’ assets out here to my place in the bush. So what is your play here? To have me and my wife murdered during a state police ‘welfare check’? You already tried that one.”

The account responded to a comment from an obscure American Christian conspiracy theory by referencing previous police interactions: “My phone number & front gate seem to have become popular. ‘Welfare checks’ aka state sponsored murder has started up again.”

Other videos make claims about police corruption, consistent with Gareth Train’s comments on fringe Australian conspiracy websites and forums.

Police had also received reports regarding Gareth’s brother Nathaniel. On Saturday, the ABC reported that he had driven a 4WD filled with loaded guns and knives through a NSW border gate into Queensland last year.

A farmer claims to have seen Nathaniel leaving his car in floodwater after having cut through the border gates using an angle grinder. They claimed he asked them for a lift; rescued guns, a bow and arrow and some “Rambo” knives out of his flooded car; and borrowed a phone to call someone. The farmer said Nathaniel spoke in code on the phone and was subsequently picked up by someone.

“[Nathaniel] said he was an ‘anti-vaxxer’ and had lost his job because he wouldn’t get vaccinated and couldn’t see his family in Queensland,” the farmer told the ABC.

The farmer told the ABC they had spoken to the police about the incident.

What did police know before the attack?
Dr Terry Goldsworthy, an associate professor in criminology at Bond University, said the coronial inquest into the Wieambilla shooting will investigate what caused the Trains to attack police and also the decisions that led to four junior officers going to the remote property that day.

“There’s a lot of unknowns,” he said.

Goldsworthy suggested a number of questions that an inquiry would answer, including:

  • What information came from NSW Police regarding the missing persons report about Nathaniel Train that was put out the week before
  • Why were two crews (or four police) sent
  • Why were only junior officers sent
  • What intelligence did police have before the attack
  • What was the source of the tip that caused police to attend
  • Did the assailants know police were coming
  • What were the attackers’ motivations?
Police will be reluctant to speak more until after the officers’ funerals this week, Goldsworthy said, but would probably start to release more information leading up to a coronial inquest.

“It’s going to be an unfolding story,” he said.

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Missed this happening just before Christmas, sovereign citizen shooting in Australia after police attempted to perform a welfare check.




The first thing I would say is that I would guess the junior officers were sent because that's all they had. I don't remember Wieambilla, its just a few buildings on the side of the road, but I did go pig shooting with my dad at Condamine just past (like 20 mins drive past. I lived 1.5 hours away near the biggest town in the region). This is even after the gun laws introduced, as many farmers kept one or two rifles, but there were some more powerful items like the SKS that were completely banned. This is the ass end of nowhere. Condamine is the biggest town in the area and its like 300-400 people. To convince officers to go out to the bush and serve is a tall order and is generally focussed on extra pay plus some sort of transfer system if they do 5 years. Thus, it targets young people. Note: this is an assumption.

A school I taught at had a similar incentive program and is at a town with 5,000. There is one staff member that is still there after I left. It is normal to churn through young people in these remote communities. Also, this area, particularly Toowoomba and beyond are full of Christians and usually fundamentalists. My dad was in Answers in Genesis groups. There aren't those sort of groups on the other side of the range. I'd also note that 4 officers - that might be half or third of the staff. There are 300 officers for the whole region and the region is 33 thousand km
 

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Republican Congressman-elect George Santos lied about having a degree, and about having relevant work experience; actually has zero higher education and never worked for the firms he said. Now admits it after the New York Times investigated... and of course after he's already won his race.
And don't forget this, after getting caught lying by describing himself as a "proud American Jew":
“I never claimed to be Jewish,” Santos told the New York Post on Monday. “I am Catholic. Because I learned my maternal family had a Jewish background I said I was ‘Jew-ish.’”
I mean, he's just laughing at getting caught in a lie now, because he knows his party venerates lying so long as it gets them more power.
 

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And don't forget this, after getting caught lying by describing himself as a "proud American Jew":


I mean, he's just laughing at getting caught in a lie now, because he knows his party venerates lying so long as it gets them more power.
Well, they need someone so they can excuse the "Judeo" part of the "Judeo-Christian Values/Culture" they're always banging on about. Other than Ben Shapiro, but he thinks only some jews are REAL Jews so he fits in perfectly.
 

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The first thing I would say is that I would guess the junior officers were sent because that's all they had. I don't remember Wieambilla, its just a few buildings on the side of the road, but I did go pig shooting with my dad at Condamine just past (like 20 mins drive past. I lived 1.5 hours away near the biggest town in the region). This is even after the gun laws introduced, as many farmers kept one or two rifles, but there were some more powerful items like the SKS that were completely banned. This is the ass end of nowhere. Condamine is the biggest town in the area and its like 300-400 people. To convince officers to go out to the bush and serve is a tall order and is generally focussed on extra pay plus some sort of transfer system if they do 5 years. Thus, it targets young people. Note: this is an assumption.

A school I taught at had a similar incentive program and is at a town with 5,000. There is one staff member that is still there after I left. It is normal to churn through young people in these remote communities. Also, this area, particularly Toowoomba and beyond are full of Christians and usually fundamentalists. My dad was in Answers in Genesis groups. There aren't those sort of groups on the other side of the range. I'd also note that 4 officers - that might be half or third of the staff. There are 300 officers for the whole region and the region is 33 thousand km
I work with a bloke who’s ex-NT Police, and based on what he told me of his time, you’re pretty on the money with personnel in remote postings. It’s the same story with doctors, nurses, paramedics, firefighters truthfully.
 
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The first thing I would say is that I would guess the junior officers were sent because that's all they had. I don't remember Wieambilla, its just a few buildings on the side of the road, but I did go pig shooting with my dad at Condamine just past (like 20 mins drive past. I lived 1.5 hours away near the biggest town in the region). This is even after the gun laws introduced, as many farmers kept one or two rifles, but there were some more powerful items like the SKS that were completely banned. This is the ass end of nowhere. Condamine is the biggest town in the area and its like 300-400 people. To convince officers to go out to the bush and serve is a tall order and is generally focussed on extra pay plus some sort of transfer system if they do 5 years. Thus, it targets young people. Note: this is an assumption.

A school I taught at had a similar incentive program and is at a town with 5,000. There is one staff member that is still there after I left. It is normal to churn through young people in these remote communities. Also, this area, particularly Toowoomba and beyond are full of Christians and usually fundamentalists. My dad was in Answers in Genesis groups. There aren't those sort of groups on the other side of the range. I'd also note that 4 officers - that might be half or third of the staff. There are 300 officers for the whole region and the region is 33 thousand km
Ah, that certainly goes a long way to explain a lot, can very easily see how those issues are exacerbated with such a huge landmass and the political funsies of public service funding. Might even explain why the police union is wanting to buy that very same murder house for its own purposes, as that extra detail did confuse at first.


The remote bushland property where two police officers were murdered could be used as a retreat or training centre if the Queensland government agrees to clear the way to its purchase.

Constables Matthew Arnold, 26 and Rachel McCrow, 29, died in a hail of gunfire after pulling up to the rural property at Wieambilla, three hours west of Brisbane, on 12 December.


Neighbour Alan Dare was also gunned down when conspiracy theorists Gareth Train, his partner, Stacey Train, and brother Nathaniel Train opened fire upon their approach.

The officers were checking the property, owned by Gareth and Stacey Train, while conducting a missing person check for Nathaniel Train.

The Queensland Police Union said on Tuesday it wanted to buy the block and had asked the government for help resuming the land.

“The QPU would never want to see this land fall into the hands of any other anti-vaxxer, pro-gun conspiracy theorist, sovereign citizens who may seek to utilise the reputation of this site to promote their own dangerous and warped views,” union head Ian Leavers told the Courier-Mail.

“That is why the QPU has an obligation to safeguard this property to protect the memories of the police who gave their lives."

Leavers told the Courier-Mail the land could be used for a retreat for officers, a training centre and be the site of a memorial.

The government is reportedly considering the proposal.

On Monday, the premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk, paid her respects to the slain officers ahead of a public memorial at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre on Wednesday.

“Everyone’s gone through a really rough time out here and I want all of Queensland and all of Australia to continue to show their support for the two young lives that were tragically taken,” she said.

“Wednesday is going to be a very difficult day.”

Eight thousand people are expected to attend the memorial before the constables are farewelled by family and friends at private ceremonies.

Members of the public are invited to attend the ceremony alongside family, friends, dignitaries and police officers. Free tickets were available from Monday night.

The service will be live streamed online and on TV, and Queenslanders will be able to watch the event at a number of public venues around the state, including in communities near Wieambilla such as Tara, Dalby and Chinchilla.

Investigators are probing the circumstances of the attack, which fellow officers constables Keely Brough and Randall Kirk managed to escape.

After the initial ambush, the Trains were shot dead in a firefight with heavily armed tactical police officers.

Investigators are still to officially declare a motive but are probing links between the Trains and conspiracy groups online and their digital footprints.
 

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To convince officers to go out to the bush and serve is a tall order and is generally focussed on extra pay plus some sort of transfer system if they do 5 years. Thus, it targets young people. Note: this is an assumption.
It's also billed as being a plus to have on your CV when it's promotion time.


Sorta depends on the posting, though. Some postings they want prefer to have cops with a lot more experience because... call it 'local volatility'. Most, however, yeah young people, preferably very community-minded, also having a young family is often considered a bonus (for a variety of reasons). One thing most cops who have experience at both will tell you is country policing can be very different to city policing.
 

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That whole sovereign citizen shooting is so grim. They were laying in waiting and ambushed the cops.
 

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Reminder, Ben Shapiro has failed as a screenwriter


God. It's amazing how smart Ben thinks he is. Like he says these things with such confidence and regularly makes himself look like just the stupidest boy. Imagine being one of the fuck brains who defends him as an "intellectual". Also can we finally just agree that an "intellectual" isn't a fucking thing. Nobody is just broadly intelligent on a range of subjects.

Peach's "WAP?"

Also Ben never played Super Mario Bros 2 and Super Mario 3D World
It's a reference to the time when, while discussing the song WAP, Ben let us all know that his wife assured him that vaginas aren't meant to get wet because Ben has never once been in the same room as a woman achieving orgasm, never mind being the one helping her get there.
 

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It's a reference to the time when, while discussing the song WAP, Ben let us all know that his wife assured him that vaginas aren't meant to get wet because Ben has never once been in the same room as a woman achieving orgasm, never mind being the one helping her get there.
Which led to the joke "The only way Ben Shapiro has ever gotten his wife wet was to throw her into the swimming pool".
 

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Ah, that certainly goes a long way to explain a lot, can very easily see how those issues are exacerbated with such a huge landmass and the political funsies of public service funding. Might even explain why the police union is wanting to buy that very same murder house for its own purposes, as that extra detail did confuse at first.

Yeah... I don't understand buying it for actually wanting to use it for anything other than a memorial. Just because I don't see sense in it, doesn't mean the Union doesn't

I went to school with a bunch of Dares and some lived in an even smaller town (pretty much just a truck stop) on the way out to Condamine. I can't remember an Alan.

My brother still lives in Dalby and it's hit them pretty hard. He still owns a couple of rifles but gun culture is usually so different in Australia. There generally is never threats to shoot people, even criminals

(Yes, some of my other siblings went to school with Margot Robbie and it is weird when she comes back for Cotton Week as a celebrity.)
 
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but gun culture is usually so different in Australia. There generally is never threats to shoot people, even criminals
Once you've got your gun out of secure storage, put the bolt back in then gone and gotten your ammo out of the other, seperate secure storage it's all just too much hassle. Easier to just grab a knife or hammer or call the dog over.
 
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Did that waste of oxygen just resort to "I know you are, but what am I" and think he 'won' that exchange?

That's not even touching on the fact the original interaction was him trying to brag about how many emissions his cars give out.
The "anti-woke" crowds have just gone full batshit I guess.
 

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Did that waste of oxygen just resort to "I know you are, but what am I" and think he 'won' that exchange?

That's not even touching on the fact the original interaction was him trying to brag about how many emissions his cars give out.
The "anti-woke" crowds have just gone full batshit I guess.
It's even better than that... if you open the exchange in Twitter, Tate also posted a little video of himself in a kimono, smoking a cigar, and explaining exactly why he wasn't owned before receiving a pizza in a clearly-staged delivery.
 

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I'd call him a child, but the vast majority of children have better debate skills.

That's not even touching on the fact the original interaction was him trying to brag about how many emissions his cars give out.
That's the definition of "being manly" to this type: Doing the absolute stupidest thing possible, just to prove that you can, and then bragging about it.
 

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That's the definition of "being manly" to this type: Doing the absolute stupidest thing possible, just to prove that you can, and then bragging about it.
Apparently there's a thing where manly men take a loaded gun, point it at their penis and wiggle the trigger a little, in response to people telling them that gun safety is important.

Had some trouble posting, but resetting my computer seems to have fixed it)