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As someone who drives fast, and would almost certainly be annoyed by what you did, I don't understand those drivers who brake check when they get around. I drive fast because I don't care about my own or, particularly, others' liveswant to get somewhere, so I don't understand getting around and then deliberately slowing down.
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No, not really. 5 mph over the speed limit is not some death machine driving. I'm not phoenixmgs here where I tailgate by inches in the rain. I just hate rolling roadblocks and don't particularly like driving unless it's an empty road.
 

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As someone who drives fast, and would almost certainly be annoyed by what you did, I don't understand those drivers who brake check when they get around. I drive fast because I want to get somewhere, so I don't understand getting around and then deliberately slowing down.
I'm by no means slow - I'm probably in the fastest 10-20% of drivers on motorways (usually at or tending slightly over the speed limit of 70 mph, because British speed checks normally allow about 10-15% leeway). I consider up to about 80 mph reasonably safe because its within the sort of range drivers expect. I'm more cautious in urban driving because that's pedestrian territory, and you hit a pedestrian at speed...

But the guys who race up behind and flash are nearly always doing speeds well in excess of 80, where I think they are dangerous because that's way outside what people expect causing them to misjudge, plus of course the appalling tailgating. A subset can also be found weaving and undertaking through the slower lanes to try to get through faster, frequently diving into too-small gaps when changing lanes, which I think even more dangerous.

Most of these guys don't need to get anywhere quickly. They drive like that because they've got a massive, concrete-turgid, hard-on for themselves.
 

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I'm by no means slow - I'm probably in the fastest 10-20% of drivers on motorways (usually at or tending slightly over the speed limit of 70 mph, because British speed checks normally allow about 10-15% leeway). I consider up to about 80 mph reasonably safe because its within the sort of range drivers expect. I'm more cautious in urban driving because that's pedestrian territory, and you hit a pedestrian at speed...

But the guys who race up behind and flash are nearly always doing speeds well in excess of 80, where I think they are dangerous because that's way outside what people expect causing them to misjudge, plus of course the appalling tailgating. A subset can also be found weaving and undertaking through the slower lanes to try to get through faster, frequently diving into too-small gaps when changing lanes, which I think even more dangerous.

Most of these guys don't need to get anywhere quickly. They drive like that because they've got a massive, concrete-turgid, hard-on for themselves.
Exactly, which is why it comes off weird to me. I see it plenty though, at least on dash cam videos. Of all the awful drivers I see, I hardly ever have someone brakecheck me. But every time I see that I'm just baffled.
 

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Oh sure, I don't mind those. But offroad vehicles intended to be used solely on city roads...bah!
Maybe half the ones I see fall into that category. Far too clean to have seen anything rougher than a gravel driveway. Seems like it's the "I wanna be a seen as a rugged individual' type equivalent to bolting on fibreglass spoilers and shit to their car. Sure, go nuts and drop $30k+ on aftermarket offroading gear, no one cares... just stop driving like absolute fuckwits.

If you see a Toyota badge nested in amongst the bullbar, floodlights, lightbars, bash plate, oversized winch, 'CU in the NT' stickers, and $50k of Kings camping mods... you don't even need to ask if you're dealing with a dickhead or not... the question becomes what kind of dickhead.
 

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Maybe half the ones I see fall into that category. Far too clean to have seen anything rougher than a gravel driveway. Seems like it's the "I wanna be a seen as a rugged individual' type equivalent to bolting on fibreglass spoilers and shit to their car. Sure, go nuts and drop $30k+ on aftermarket offroading gear, no one cares... just stop driving like absolute fuckwits.

If you see a Toyota badge nested in amongst the bullbar, floodlights, lightbars, bash plate, oversized winch, 'CU in the NT' stickers, and $50k of Kings camping mods... you don't even need to ask if you're dealing with a dickhead or not... the question becomes what kind of dickhead.
I remember a line from ad for something like that. "When adventures calls, you've already answered". That says a lot about their intended market.
 

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No, not really. 5 mph over the speed limit is not some death machine driving. I'm not phoenixmgs here where I tailgate by inches in the rain. I just hate rolling roadblocks and don't particularly like driving unless it's an empty road.
Oh, my bad. I just read 'phoenix' in the username and my mind filled in the rest.
 

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Maybe half the ones I see fall into that category. Far too clean to have seen anything rougher than a gravel driveway. Seems like it's the "I wanna be a seen as a rugged individual' type equivalent to bolting on fibreglass spoilers and shit to their car. Sure, go nuts and drop $30k+ on aftermarket offroading gear, no one cares... just stop driving like absolute fuckwits.

If you see a Toyota badge nested in amongst the bullbar, floodlights, lightbars, bash plate, oversized winch, 'CU in the NT' stickers, and $50k of Kings camping mods... you don't even need to ask if you're dealing with a dickhead or not... the question becomes what kind of dickhead.
The thing that confuses me about those types is they seem to enjoy being in nature, but are happy to trash it whilst doing so. Like, shouldn't they be more likely to sympathise with environmentalism? But no, they always have some kind of 'fuck the greens' sticker displayed.
 

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The thing that confuses me about those types is they seem to enjoy being in nature, but are happy to trash it whilst doing so. Like, shouldn't they be more likely to sympathise with environmentalism? But no, they always have some kind of 'fuck the greens' sticker displayed.
Most of the outdoors-y types I know are mad keen on conservation, a bit suspicious of environmentalism and consider the Greens a bunch of inner-city Lefty deadshits who'd panic if they couldn't get 5 bars on their phones.
 

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Most of these guys don't need to get anywhere quickly. They drive like that because they've got a massive, concrete-turgid, hard-on for themselves.
They really don't. The worst drivers by a mile are the ones that come up behind you when traffic is a little denser and you can't get through and you're stuck doing the speed limit, then they tailgate people and slalom through lanes cutting people off trying to get through everyone, and then once the traffic breaks and everyone is back to full speed you catch them back because they only wanted to go 5 over the limit. Nothing is worse than the aggressive, self-entitled, but still not particularly fast driver.
 

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"Twenty-eight percent of fatal crashes, 13 percent of injury crashes, and 10 percent of property-damage-only crashes in 2020 were speeding-related." (https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/813320)



You are being very silly now.
I said the PRIMARY CAUSE...

How is what I said not true? You can see the brake lights reflecting on the street when it rains at night of cars in front of the car in front of you. I pay attention to that and tons of other things when I'm driving that most people don't. Since I have just a normal car, Civic, so often I'm behind a SUV or truck and can't see through their windows in front of them so I actually love being able to "see" in front of me in the rain at night.

No, I didn't cut it out for no reason. /You/ were the one who wanted to connect China's performance solely to mask mandates.

I quite explicitly said I was happy to disconnect the two and talk about other factors. You didn't. You wanted to connect them solely when it was convenient, and then to disconnect them when it became inconvenient.
You guys think masks work so well that there should be no massive surges in cases. When the south had a surge, the left is like "oh, look at those idiots not doing covid restrictions". Then when the north has a surge, it's "there's nothing we could've done about it". They have such minimal effects that's it's pretty asinine to act like not masking is some stupid/idiotic/dumb thing to do. There's literally no evidence that masks work. China is probably doing more restrictions that the US had at any time (outside the first couple weeks of everyone staying home). You all live in this fairytale land where if you wear masks and do these few other things, you can stop covid, that's not remotely close to realistic. You still think you can fucking contact trace covid and that testing does anything.


The interesting comment appears to be that your passengers feel uncomfortable when you are driving. Either you give a lift to lots of people very nervous about car travel, or you do something dangerous - and I suspect that is not maintaining a safe distance from the car ahead. Chances are that you should be either controlling your speed better to maintain distance or changing lanes earlier. Even if you are changing lanes, if you get very close to the car ahead before you complete the manouever, it creates a window of increased danger.

Other cars may, of course, be braking for a number of reasons: such as that they're occasionally drifting faster than they like or they feel they need more distance from the car in front. Again, going back to the point that your passengers feel uncomfortable, I cannot help but suspect that many the drivers you think suck at judging distance are actually just drivers who prefer a safer distance. Not just to the car in front but the one behind, as I agree with Baffle that some people brake lightly as a warning to cars behind that they think are getting too close.

There certainly are erratic drivers of course. Either change lane (if possible), or drop back and maintain additional distance.



I know you think you're sounding clever, but you are mostly confirming to everyone that you are a horrible driver, and you're confusing not being on the wrong side of dumb luck with good driving skills. You've also just sort of confirmed my suspicion above, that you do not maintain a safe distance.



Seriously, what the fuck? It's a common cause of accidents.

Not only is speeding itself a substantial cause of accidents alone, it can be a secondary factor for other causes (such as loss of control or failing to correctly judge another car's path or speed). It's also overrepresented in accidents that involve serious injury and death, for extremely obvious reasons.
If I'm not maintaining safe distances, how have I been driving for over 20 years and never rear-ended someone? As long as you don't hit a car, it doesn't matter how close you get to it. No, many people are bad at judging distances, I've been a passenger with such people and seen many people not understand how wide their cars are. This one hilarious time there was a landscaping services pickup truck and trailer parked on the curb like normal, but that is a BIT wider than a normal car so all these cars would simply not go straight like normal because they thought they didn't have enough room (between the parked truck and oncoming traffic lane). I go right past the parked truck with no problem whatsoever and the guy behind me won't go past the parked truck and it looked like a dog that won't go down the stairs because a cat is sitting on the steps. Also, several times I've had a friend/co-worker I'm riding with ask if they have room to squeeze in somewhere and I'll look up for a second and tell them there's plenty of room. People really have no concept of the actual size of their cars. Hell, 90+% of people don't even no how to make a turn per the rules of the road.

Again, if I'm a bad driver, how do I have a perfect driving record after 20 years of driving? How is paying attention to, you know, the fucking road being clever? It's literally right in front of you. How can you not see it? It's like not noticing there's a person's shadow before you can actually see them around a corner or something.

Speeding is almost never the PRIMARY CAUSE of an accident. The actual accident almost always happens due to something else.

These are, without fail, two of the dumbest fucking things you have ever said.
Both are true statements. Speeding is almost never the primary cause of an accident. How is having the intel to brake before the guy in front of me brakes not greatly lowering the chances of rear-ending someone? Did you know you can also change lanes without looking over your shoulder because if you set up your mirrors correctly, you have no blindspot? I only use my mirrors and never changed lanes into a car that I didn't see there. I must just be the luckiest guy ever if I can go over 20 years of driving and not rear-end people (when constantly driving dangerously close a) and not checking the "blindspot" and not hit people, I'm pretty sure that's a statistical impossibility.

No, not really. 5 mph over the speed limit is not some death machine driving. I'm not phoenixmgs here where I tailgate by inches in the rain. I just hate rolling roadblocks and don't particularly like driving unless it's an empty road.
I don't tailgate people... I've never rear-end anyone in my life. If I follow too close, It's just basic probability that would've happened at some point.


Exactly, which is why it comes off weird to me. I see it plenty though, at least on dash cam videos. Of all the awful drivers I see, I hardly ever have someone brakecheck me. But every time I see that I'm just baffled.
I've only been brakechecked once because I was coasting to a red light. Then the guy went around me purposefully and brakechecked me and I was expecting it by the way he went around me and then just swung into the other lane and passed him up. IIRC people in those countries like all have dashcams because of the massive insurance fraud vs people actually being mad and brakechecking people. I saw a dashcam of a motorcycle brakechecking a semi-truck...
 

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Again, if I'm a bad driver, how do I have a perfect driving record after 20 years of driving?
Your driving is so bad you telegraph to other road users to give you a wide berth. "Park up safely for a bit lads," they say, "it's that guy who thinks he can see the future when it rains."

I've been driving for just short of 25 years, and I also have a motorbike licence (and I can drive a reach truck, though haven't for many years). My record is better than yours (same lack of own-fault accidents, driving for longer, more vehicles), and that still only makes me an average driver.
 
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You've also just sort of confirmed my suspicion above, that you do not maintain a safe distance.
It's just more of his "I'm the smartest specialist little boy and everyone else is so dumb." At this stage I have to assume he's just fucking with us otherwise he would never have made it past the revelation that he could have toast in the bath.
 
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You guys think masks work so well that there should be no massive surges in cases.
No, we don't. Nobody here said masks alone were enough. You're just hurling a lazy strawman to avoid addressing the fact that the surge in infection in China provides absolutely zero evidence for your bizarre, anti-scientific aversion to masks (and other basic hygiene and safety measures).
 
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