Because he was trying to get the preacher off stage, which is what you recommended, and the preacher went to the ground when people started to grab him. You can see it in the video.
That's what people are saying. I don't think it requires lethal force back, but this is America.
Do bear in mind the US is apparently a country that struggles with the idea the castle doctrine applies to plainclothes officers executing a no-knock raid in the dead of night at not just the wrong house, but the wrong part of town, when the suspect in question had already been apprehended.
You say that as if that isn't already the status quo for the ultra wealthy and major corporations, and this is tradition dating back to the days of the Pinkertons. Or that in the case of many major cities, most notably NYC, contemporary police departments were largely legitimized street gangs.
Considering those that are protesting are ALSO calling for Universal Healthcare, paid sick leave, and all the benefits that usually only the " white privileged elite" receive, but instead to have those benefits provided to the general public by the government, claiming they want smaller government is somewhat disingenuous. " defunding or disbanding" the current police structure does not mean they want rampant crime, they just want them to change how they do these things due to how badly the current system is broken. Police are supposed to be a part of the community, to " serve and protect", it should NOT be their job to use violence against their community at will, the "us vs them" mindset has broken the system so badly, in many areas it does need to start over because they cannot protect the community if they are the ones harming the people. Every single person I grew up with that chose to become a cop was a criminal, the job sucks, the pay sucks, who else would want to be a cop? It is a terrible job that you cannot even afford to survive on the pay in many areas. We literally have the criminals with a license to kill and nothing is being done to really change it. Some of the ideas I have heard thus far, is change how Police in the US work, by having only specialized units armed as some other nations do, and most of the police that people interact with would not be armed, use social workers instead of police to deal with the homeless, have their primary training focused on deescalation rather than shooting. They are actually calling for expanding the government's role by different means, rather than actually reducing the size of the government. They want to change the way it works instead of having violent law enforcers do all of these things that really should be done by other services. Not wanting the violent police attacking them for existing isn't really calling for smaller government, they just want alternative solutions to the problem because the current police system is causing more problems than it solves.
At base, this guy deserves some right to be taken seriously because we should be receptive to claims of being assaulted.
Yeah, actually it would be smaller government (hint, just like universal health care -- you think insurers and health care providers aren't out to protect their extensive laundry list of tax breaks, subsidies, and government protections brought to us and protected by a labyrinthine semi-formal institution of lobbies, think tanks, and donor networks?). Because expanding and strengthening social programs that already exist in order to solve for causative factors in social unrest, rather than nominally solve for symptoms through an expansive, draconian, bureaucratic, ineffective, and atavistic criminal justice system which has been completely subverted by municipal governments and the prison-industrial complex to serve profit motive, would be an overall net reduction in governmental footprint.
I fail to see the point being made here. Neither tstorm823 nor me were talking about any marches.
No, you're describing the work of a particular subset of feminists. "Suffragette" refers specifically to the struggle for suffrage.
Didn't Dredd have to spend like 15 years in the academy studying policing, detective work, criminal justice and the law in general? The cops in the US only have like 15 weeks.
Hard to go bankrupt telling conspiracy theorists what they want to hear. Although it can be difficult to tell: do they actually believe that these proven frauds and grifters still have credibility or do they know it's bullshit and just want to waste your time so you can't talk about anything real?
I'm not the one who originally brought it up, but I do think it's funny.
Wait - are you really allowed to say things like that in an internet debate?
The difference is that the people trying to make an autonomous zone without policing or authority are convinced it will just be naturally peaceful. People who support the police do so with the understanding that we live in a world full of fallen people and there will always be violence. Acts of violence do not discredit the perspective of those who sees violence as inevitable and sanctioned force a necessary evil. It does, however, discredit the perspective of people who believe they can create a bubble of peace just by clearing out the civil authority.
What if we didn't rely on the permission of a small class of private owners to allow people to perform productive labor? In any case, it is silly to weigh business insurance rates against the continued violence and murders perpetrated by the state.
I find it silly that the Left doesn't promote Universal Health Care as smaller government or at least calling it streamlining. The Left has a real PR problem: Black Lives Matters motto gives White Supremacist fuel to burn their fires. Defund the Police lacks any nuance to the good ideas it holds. Feminism was about females only, but now that it has moved to a broader base, it hasn't really transformed it name to suit the time.
Not strictly disagreeing, I just want to add that if someone is so determined to find grievance with a good idea that they reject it entirely on the name, it's worth considering that the person was never going to be persuaded in the first place. My consistent experience has been that the kind of person who feels personally offended by Black Lives Matter because it's not also including them as a white person in their cause and thus rejects all calls for criminal justice reform out of spite is already too far up their own ass to consider new thinking.
We do. The problem is...
The left doesn't have a PR problem, the PR has a right problem.
I just looked up the training time for the police forces in Australia realising I had no idea how long their training is.
That's the heart of it. When you get down and analyze a lot of these arguments, they ultimately come down to finding an excuse not to give a shit. Once you see the pattern, you can't unsee it.
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