This person has an answer for you:
lot of assumptions there that make your 100% confidence ludicrous
Chinese “Weather Balloon” Enters US Air Space
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lot of assumptions there that make your 100% confidence ludicrous
Eh, isn't that the sort of thing Biden would do without a distraction anyway? I guess if one is handed to him it's nice, though.
Maybe the Chinese have finally managed to replicate Rover from The Prisoner in real life.
Go ahead, then, what are the faulty assumptions-- and what makes your confidence that it's definitely just a massive weather balloon
lot of assumptions there that make your 100% confidence ludicrous
sent 7,000 miles to check the wind pressure in the USA more credible?You really shouldn't need me to analyze the words you wrote. Not in this case. But whatever.
*That the Chinese government had any particular awareness of the balloon-- either its existence or where it was
*That the Chinese government didn't communicate with the US regarding the balloon if it did
*That someone at some relevant level of either government is indeed not an idiot
*That you yourself have an adequate understanding of "the basics of airspace law" as it applies to weather balloons and other very high floating objects
?and what makes your confidence that it's definitely just a massive weather balloon
I haven't expressed certainty of anything. It's probably just a weather balloon because that is what it looks like it is without the priming of western media hysterics/theatrics-- which you at least seem to recognize exist while then going on to be 100% confident (!) in their speculations regarding the facts of the case.
Nah, balloons are still UFOs, except not alien, but Batman.When I was a kid, weather balloons were aliens.
Or maybe aliens were weather balloons, I don't remember well.
That takes me back.
Good one.
That's the beauty of it. There is no Number One.
The Chinese government acknowledged it was theirs. This isn't contested by either side, or in fact anybody serious at all.
OK, so the only alternative here would be... that China informed the US it was on it's way, then the US gave permission to enter airspace, then shot it down, then China objected to the shooting... without ever mentioning in the following public statement that they had permission?
Lol ok.
Oh, I'm sure quite a few people involved are idiots. Those involved in sending unannounced aircraft into rival superpowers' airspace; and those pretending that spying is a big no-no that only the enemies do.
I don't think anyone involved is so completely, childishly unaware of their own jobs that they have zero knowledge of airspace law.
The illegality of sending aircraft unannounced into another country's airspace is pretty universally recognised.
Laughing at the idea that it's not a weather balloon kind of expresses high confidence that it is. Well, unless you just thought of something funny that was unrelated, and then accidentally hit 'reply'-- I mean, that's less far-fetched than a bus-sized aircraft travelling over 7,000 miles unannounced by pure accident.
That has literally no relevance to whether they were aware of the balloon at the time that you thought they should have been telling the US government about it.
Who said anything about permission?
CNN said:
CNN said:
There is no universal agreement on the upper limit of what constitutes a country's airspace.
I was laughing at your 100% certainty. You will apparently be certain about any allegation made against China.
So you're contesting that maybe they didn't know where it was? The 200ft aircraft designed to provide data directly to its owner?
Permission is required to enter another country's airspace. You know that, because you're not 7.
I'd suggest it's going to be higher than a fighter jet's upper limit, because otherwise it would be pointless.
I tend to believe allegations when 1) the incidents aren't out of the ordinary; and 2) the only alternative explanations provided are laughably naive. Generally it's a good idea to be pretty sceptical of state mouthpiece narratives from brutal, kleptocratic governments, whether they're American, Chinese, or anything else.
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I mean, does it really matter? Of course the Chinese government says it was an errant weather balloon and of course the US government says it was a surveillance balloon
The truth is irrelevant
The truth is irrelevant
mmm sure.
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Ah ok. So the ones who were monitoring it and knew where it was... just didn't tell the ones who needed to let other countries know if it was going to be in their airspace. Trying to nail down exactly how this alternative explanation actually works. Want to know if we're on "lack of knowledge of where their enormous monitoring craft even is" or "some knew, but the ones who needed to know didn't, due to zero communication within the government".
And this is all much more feasible than "governments spy", because China would never use such methods like the US does, smh.
there are many alternative explanations that are consistent with the facts. you have just jumped to the one that US propaganda wants to promote.
You haven't yet presented one: you've so far offered a series of seemingly random suggestions that assume farcical bungling incompetence on the part of the Chinese government.
You equate any and all criticism of a few favoured governments with "US propaganda", regardless of prominence or credibility. Its automatic; you're just putting the hours in at this point, and the actual circumstances don't matter. We both know that if the Chinese government shot down a US spy craft-- which the US undoubtedly uses, and I'm sure you won't dispute that-- you'd be here acting smugly dismissive towards anyone who even suggested it wasn't a US Spy craft.