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To an extent, you're not wrong, though the doctrine that everyone is a sinner and we all know that kind of undoes the parallel.
Then you, as a sinner, really have no place speaking of the "sins" of others.

I bet you're for people abandoning the Church though.
I'd rather they force the leadership to allow the perpetrators to be punished, rather than shuffling them around to maintain a false front of holiness.
 

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Love for other creatures is woke.


When a 9-year-old girl didn’t want her goat to be slaughtered, county fair officials sent deputies after it

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Echoing language used when law enforcement search a home for drugs, the warrant allowed deputies to “utilize breaching equipment to force open doorway(s), entry doors, exit doors, and locked containers” and to search all rooms, garages and “storage rooms, and outbuildings of any kind large enough to accommodate a small goat.”

Cedar was taken and slaughtered.
 
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Love for other creatures is woke.


When a 9-year-old girl didn’t want her goat to be slaughtered, county fair officials sent deputies after it

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Echoing language used when law enforcement search a home for drugs, the warrant allowed deputies to “utilize breaching equipment to force open doorway(s), entry doors, exit doors, and locked containers” and to search all rooms, garages and “storage rooms, and outbuildings of any kind large enough to accommodate a small goat.”

Cedar was taken and slaughtered.
“Making an exception for you will only teach [our] youth that they do not have to abide by the rules,” Silva wrote back to Long in an email reviewed by The Times dated June 28, 2022. “Also, in this era of social media this has been a negative experience for the fairgrounds as this has been all over Facebook and Instagram.”

Lol, yeah, using the cops to forcibly take and slaughter a little girl's goat when everybody else involved is fine with an alternative is gonna make this a super positive experience for the fairgrounds
 
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Then you, as a sinner, really have no place speaking of the "sins" of others.

I'd rather they force the leadership to allow the perpetrators to be punished, rather than shuffling them around to maintain a false front of holiness.
You know, if *I* were making an argument about how a few assholes* being in the spotlight means the whole worldwide thing is irrevocably flawed, I wouldn't try to defend the Catholic Church, who recently had a pope retire after defending massive amounts of sex crimes. I dunno, seems like a massive double standard. Especially considering *John Money was a monster who tried to prove that you could forcibly change somebody's gender identity and failed, pretty much proving you can't go out and indoctrinate somebody's kid into being trans. Seriously, he's got less respect in gender studies than Freud does in psychology and the only people arguing otherwise are people like tstorm.

Past that we've got a dude who does gender research on the guys who want to be eunuch (Knowledge bad, ignorance good, apparently), and some hearsay about a swimmer's porn preferences. Meanwhile priests all wear dog collars as a submission thing.
 

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All we have here is a dismissal of one specific body because they once worked with a co-author who has, in the past, written about and researched some extreme paraphilic trends.

You seem to be insinuating here that merely writing about or researching an extreme phenomenon somehow equals advocacy for it. That's not how academic publication works.

This is to say nothing of the speciousness of finding a flimsy reason to dismiss one specific body, and then extrapolating from that that we apparently can't trust the entire wide range of expert bodies in medical, psychiatric and therapeutic fields.

Because one once worked with a guy who wrote academically about extreme stuff. Pull the other one.
Did you click the link? He has written about those things numerous times in just the past year. "Castration for Pleasure" was published 4 months before he was included in standards for care. Some of his prior works related to WPATH were response pieces critical of WPATHs standards of care not including those who want to be castrated but not identify as a woman. That is advocacy.

The man did not just research extreme phenomena. He has participated on The Eunuch Archives, a forum for people attracted to eunuchs, for decades, under the screenname "Jesus", and has participated in the sharing of erotica sexualizing castrated underage boys. That is perversion.

WPATH took this person seriously, and included his position on eunuchs in their standards of care, which in general are now for medical transition at increasingly young ages. This is not coincidence.
Then you, as a sinner, really have no place speaking of the "sins" of others.
That is true Christian teaching, yes. But speaking of things is fun, so imma keep at it.
I'd rather they force the leadership to allow the perpetrators to be punished, rather than shuffling them around to maintain a false front of holiness.
The priests who did those things are turned in, prosecuted, and convicted at higher rates than in the general population. Most of those convicted were turned into law enforcement by the Church.
 

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Did you click the link? He has written about those things numerous times in just the past year. "Castration for Pleasure" was published 4 months before he was included in standards for care. Some of his prior works related to WPATH were response pieces critical of WPATHs standards of care not including those who want to be castrated but not identify as a woman. That is advocacy.
No, it's not, it's criticism of care standards.

Acknowledgement and research into a phenomenon, and support for a better standard of care for those who experience it, is not "advocacy".

The man did not just research extreme phenomena. He has participated on The Eunuch Archives, a forum for people attracted to eunuchs, for decades, under the screenname "Jesus", and has participated in the sharing of erotica sexualizing castrated underage boys. That is perversion.
So, I can see he's posted on there, though all I can see is stuff like questionnaires etc. He's written about that online community in academic contexts, so that's par for the course.

As for sharing pornography, uhrm... can I get a citation on that? All I can see attesting to that is Graham Linehan's blog, and he's a obsessive, prejudiced liar on this kind of topic.

WPATH took this person seriously, and included his position on eunuchs in their standards of care, which in general are now for medical transition at increasingly young ages. This is not coincidence.
He appears to be a widely recognised academic in this field, so that's not unexpected.

But yes, expert bodies across the board-- including dozens which don't have anything to do with this one guy-- have generally recognised transition as the approach that has the greatest success rate for improving wellbeing and lowering risks of self harm. Because it is.
 

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As for sharing pornography, uhrm... can I get a citation on that? All I can see attesting to that is Graham Linehan's blog, and he's a obsessive, prejudiced liar on this kind of topic.
My curiosity got the better of me, and wow it's even worse than I expected. I'm not sure there's any reasonable way for me to post to you here, as they require registration to access the forums full content, and I'm definitely not pasting some of this stuff over.

I really can't link or give particularly gory details, if it would be allowed here it shouldn't be. But two of his favorite things to start threads about are A) the "stories" posted on the site, which by his own math (he did the math) include minors 40% of the time, and B) young boys being castrated after being sold as slaves in the Middle East. He also once told people to definitely never use animal castration tools on people before proceeding to list a catalog of links to buy what he was describing.

The dude's really messed up.
 

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They also brought on as co-author Thomas W Johnson, who contributed a section on eunuchs. His life's work kind of speaks for itself:
If "Castration for Pleasure" and "Sadomastic Erotica: Insights from the Eunuch Archines" do not qualify as perversion to you, I believe we've hit an impasse and agree to disagree.
We've hit the impasse from the get-go, as you promoted anti-gay discrimination in housing and workplaces. And as you chestpounded about "science" while spouting out blind fanatical religious dogma. And here's that :

You are utterly pathetic in your ignorance. You take a researcher's list of scientific production and scream at perversion and blasphemy because oh noes naughty words. He could have studied shuar heads shrinking practices or ache endo-cannibalism you'd have accused him of barbaric decapitations and anthropophagy. He could have studied rural afghanistan or the motivation of shawl-wearing girls in Paris, you'd have accused him of talibanism. He'd have studied the US bible belt or french extreme-right movements you would have assumed he was your friend. In fact, a friend of mine studied prostitution (you'd call her a whore) as for me, you'd also jail me for "criminal activities".

Because you belong to a subculture which adores ignorance, adores not knowing, replacing science with blind faith, with distant prejudices. Considering that there is "nothing to know" and that investigation is suspicious, that curiosity is taboo, that interest in mankind is pointless, that the danger of re-humanizing otherness (in particular fringe, radical, counter-intuitive otherness) is an intolerable risk, that it's better not to know, better to hate from afar, better to replace fieldwork-grounded understanding with "well, w can imagine, that, logically, it should go like this".

I knew nothing about willing castration (beyond Heloïse's Abelard), it's a whole new subject to me. It's absolutely fascinating, because it boggles the mind. It makes me want to understand this new counter-intuitive human "weirdness" - what is the idea behind it, what are the representations, how does this subculture operate, what are the discourses, the practices, the explicit and implicit values. It's an absolute blind spot yet it exists, and if it exist it has to be comprehended and accounted for. By anthropological means - the suspension of judgement at least for the time of fieldwork, empathic understanding, familiarization, and proximity/distance analysis. This is how we know humans and, be extension, what being a human means in practice, what it encompasses and how. Descriptive before normative. You'll know or understand nothing about it if, not only, one keyword suffices for you to construct an imaginary version of it from afar, and then to even demonize those who do the work of checking out what's going out in reality (what, how, why, etc).

It's no surprise. You're the one who freely redefines words and concepts to fit your views, and deny the existence of what doesn't fit. You're so smugly ignorant that you don't even comprehend the tools for knowledge. I see "zoophilia" brandished as a boogeyman word throughout this forum, the fact is that barely anyone here truly know what it's about (and which opposing currents clash within it), and if I happen to know a bit about its nuances, complexities and proximities with "us", that's because I was lucky enough to assist in a presentation by a researcher who dedicated enough investigative time among zoophile circles. While the "closest", most "neighbouring" subcultures are often fascinating to grasp, the most "remote" (in terms of geography or sensitivity or even legality) are usually the most difficult fieldworks - my admiration is absolute for the researchers who immerse themselves in the most uncomfortable fields, be them gangs of drug dealers or white supremacist groups. Or odd sexualities. And my contempt is absolute for the people like you, who glorify blindness and denounce actual research.

So yes of course. If we need expertise on sexualiies and gender, better have a specialist who has studied, on the field, sexual minorities of all kinds. And knows what s/he's talking about. Better than someone who just stayed at home licking his bible and imagining the world outside before passing judgement.
 

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You are utterly pathetic in your ignorance. You take a researcher's list of scientific production and scream at perversion and blasphemy because oh noes naughty words.
The problem with your theory is that I followed the man's work to the source of his data, and he is 100% sexually attracted to specifically castrated minors. He's not an outside observer studying a group he finds interesting, he is one of the leading members of the community, encouraging others to write fantasy of getting castrated for his personal pleasure.

You accuse me of ignorance, and yet you 100% would prefer me to not go down the rabbit hole and just accept his work with blind admiration.
 

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Are these guys going to ban Care Bears and My Little Pony next?
The teachers who were organizing the performance were likely trying to make explicit pro-lgbt statements, and were told not to. Then they tried to dodge the censors.

Like, the article frames this as "First Graders wanted to sing a cute song about rainbows!", and acts like the administration is coming down on the children, but first graders don't pick the songs to perform as a class in a concert, teachers make those decisions. Either a first grade teacher or a music teacher was making 5-6 year olds sing their support of the LGBT community.
 

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Either a first grade teacher or a music teacher was making 5-6 year olds sing their support of the LGBT community.
Kindness towards others, regardless of who/what they are, is a common and harmless theme for kids' songs in school. We also have songs about how we should be kind to people of different races & creeds-- it's the same damn thing.

Now, when I was in primary school, we all had to sit in assembly and sing praise to a god I didn't believe in. Seems a good deal worse to me.
 
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My curiosity got the better of me, and wow it's even worse than I expected. I'm not sure there's any reasonable way for me to post to you here, as they require registration to access the forums full content, and I'm definitely not pasting some of this stuff over.

I really can't link or give particularly gory details, if it would be allowed here it shouldn't be. But two of his favorite things to start threads about are A) the "stories" posted on the site, which by his own math (he did the math) include minors 40% of the time, and B) young boys being castrated after being sold as slaves in the Middle East. He also once told people to definitely never use animal castration tools on people before proceeding to list a catalog of links to buy what he was describing.

The dude's really messed up.
OK, so that shit is obviously gross. I'm trying to look into it myself, but its bloody hard to actually get the info without going down some pretty unsavory rabbit holes I'd rather avoid.

So for one: how do we know this poster is Thomas Johnson? All I can find about it is an "investigation" by Reduxx, which seems to rely on some very circumstantial assumptions to draw that connection. And Reduxx itself as a virulent hole, so I'm not gonna take their conclusions at face value.

For two: when did he advise WPATH? Even if we accept what Reduxx says, then his connection to the site was only discovered in late May 2022, and was unknown before then. WPATH can hardly be blamed for allowing an accredited academic to advise them, when his other shitty proclivities weren't public knowledge.
 

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Kindness towards others, regardless of who/what they are, is a common and harmless theme for kids' songs in school. We also have songs about how we should be kind to people of different races & creeds-- it's the same damn thing.

Now, when I was in primary school, we all had to sit in assembly and sing praise to a god I didn't believe in. Seems a good deal worse to me.
I have no evidence one way or the other, just speculation about intent. It would be a particularly weird thing to ban Kermit the Frog because his song says rainbow. It would not be a particularly weird for administrators to stop teachers from putting gay activism into a children's concert. The teachers in the school had already been told not to put pride flags in their classrooms. It is a reasonable possibility they were trying to put pride flags in the concert. It's not that kindness towards others, regardless of race or creed, is the issue. It's teachers trying to use those as cover for overt political messaging that would be the problem.
So for one: how do we know this poster is Thomas Johnson? All I can find about it is an "investigation" by Reduxx, which seems to rely on some very circumstantial assumptions to draw that connection. And Reduxx itself as a virulent hole, so I'm not gonna take their conclusions at face value.
I have only circumstantial evidence. The user "Jesus", often referred to by other users as "Jesus (A)", was the one posting about studies. In the case of the study into minors in fiction where he calculated the frequency of that, it was posed as "a friend" doing the study. Which allows for the possibility that Jesus isn't Thomas Johnson, but this poster also told people "these are not meant for castrating people and could kill you.... you can buy them here." It's traditional "maintaining plausible deniability". Jesus never explicitly made the connection.

That being said, circumstantially, "Jesus" writes in there about living in California and studying anthropology in the 70s, which lines up with the man in question. It's also difficult to imagine it's not him, when "Jesus" on the forum is writing longingly about castrated slave boys in Afghanistan, and publicly Thomas Johnson writes things like the Islamic State won't work because it isn't castrating anyone.

That being said, my dummy account was rejected after the first couple hours (which is probably the right move on their part), so no more primary source for me. And I'm ok with that, lol.

Edit cause I forgot a part: I personally don't think it's a big difference if they knew his forum activity or not before consulting him. His public writing included the suggestion that ISIS would be more successful if it castrated more people. That is not someone to be consulted on gender transitions.
 
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The problem with your theory is that I followed the man's work to the source of his data, and he is 100% sexually attracted to specifically castrated minors. He's not an outside observer studying a group he finds interesting, he is one of the leading members of the community, encouraging others to write fantasy of getting castrated for his personal pleasure.

You accuse me of ignorance, and yet you 100% would prefer me to not go down the rabbit hole and just accept his work with blind admiration.
We have confirmed that: (a) having witnessed animal castrations during childhood, (b) having been threatened with castration as a child for behaviours deemed inappropriate by a parent figure, and (c) being homosexual or bisexual, are all common among individuals with extreme castration ideations. In addition, the prevalence of childhood sexual abuse among men who had genital ablations and wannabes was 1.4 times greater than among “just interested” individuals. For men who had obtained genital ablations, “very devout” parental religiosity was 1.8 times more common than it was for wannabes and 1.3 times more common than it was for “just interested” individuals. Individuals who were raised by “very devout” parents and who were also sexually abused had significantly greater odds and likelihood of reporting being voluntarily castrated and/or penectomized than respondents without those risk factors. Our study may aid clinicians in identifying and distinguishing individuals who are at risk of genital ablation through self-surgery or by nonprofessionals. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2013 APA, all rights reserved)
So sexeeeeyy. As all his articles (which results and methodologies you clearly studied in depth), clearly jerking off while writing it.
 

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I have no evidence one way or the other, just speculation about intent. It would be a particularly weird thing to ban Kermit the Frog because his song says rainbow. It would not be a particularly weird for administrators to stop teachers from putting gay activism into a children's concert. The teachers in the school had already been told not to put pride flags in their classrooms. It is a reasonable possibility they were trying to put pride flags in the concert. It's not that kindness towards others, regardless of race or creed, is the issue. It's teachers trying to use those as cover for overt political messaging that would be the problem.
It sounds to me like you're considering acceptance and kindness towards a certain group to be "overt political messaging", in a way that you wouldn't if it was almost any other group (I.e. race, sex, disability).

I have only circumstantial evidence. The user "Jesus", often referred to by other users as "Jesus (A)", was the one posting about studies. In the case of the study into minors in fiction where he calculated the frequency of that, it was posed as "a friend" doing the study. Which allows for the possibility that Jesus isn't Thomas Johnson, but this poster also told people "these are not meant for castrating people and could kill you.... you can buy them here." It's traditional "maintaining plausible deniability". Jesus never explicitly made the connection.

That being said, circumstantially, "Jesus" writes in there about living in California and studying anthropology in the 70s, which lines up with the man in question. It's also difficult to imagine it's not him, when "Jesus" on the forum is writing longingly about castrated slave boys in Afghanistan, and publicly Thomas Johnson writes things like the Islamic State won't work because it isn't castrating anyone.

That being said, my dummy account was rejected after the first couple hours (which is probably the right move on their part), so no more primary source for me. And I'm ok with that, lol.

Edit cause I forgot a part: I personally don't think it's a big difference if they knew his forum activity or not before consulting him. His public writing included the suggestion that ISIS would be more successful if it castrated more people. That is not someone to be consulted on gender transitions.
K, so we only really have circumstantial guesswork based on some forum-goer's posting habits. While you can raise your eyebrows, that's... not robust enough to be denying someone an academic or professional position. It's just accusation, there's zero solid. We don't trash someone's academic reputation on that.

As for the article, it's mostly talking about the historical use of eunuchs in caliphates. Which is true, and hardly surprising to be something he's writing about, given its directly in his field.

There's no advocacy here, because he plainly doesn't want Daesh to succeed.
 

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