Former president trump indicted.

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Conspiracy theory or not, would you want to be the one to test it?
Never ceases to be funny, how some people are willing to overlook/conveniently explain away the absolute mountains of indicators that Trump committed various financial crimes. But at the same time, those same people will be more than happy to take pure speculation about Democrat politicians, raise their eyebrows and insinuate they're murderers, based on not a shred of anything.
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Thing is, no-one talking about the other charges. The Stormy Daniels one is the one even opponents are leading with which means it's worryingly the strongest they so you are entirely right in your claim about how it will be used most likely.

Hell for all we know it could be 25 counts of littering and 4 of J walking they're trying to get Trump on lol
There are 30 charges related to financial fraud. Its not going to be littering. The Stormy Daniels dominating makes sense since that was a past news story with legs. I'll bet at least a few of the other charges are related to him lying to banks to get more favorable loans.
 
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There are 30 charges related to financial fraud. Its not going to be littering. The Stormy Daniels dominating makes sense since that was a past news story with legs. I'll bet at least a few of the other charges are related to him lying to banks to get more favorable loans.
ok, he paid off a littering fine with Trump Co money not his own personal wealth.
Also wouldn't lying to banks help Trump seem better because very few people like bankers.
 

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Never ceases to be funny, how some people are willing to overlook/conveniently explain away the absolute mountains of indicators that Trump committed various financial crimes. But at the same time, those same people will be more than happy to take pure speculation about Democrat politicians, raise their eyebrows and insinuate they're murderers, based on not a shred of anything.
except where are the rest?

What rest you ask?

The other corporate execs who have done the same and unlike Trump didn't have some finance guy suggest it and him tick box it but actually said to do it and planned it out.

I'm sorry but if this was some grand stand against financial fraud and not some stupid grievance based move then there would be a lot more people than Trump in the headlines about to be brought to the courts.

Also again.

As I said conspiracy theory or now would you want to be the face of the ones having to test if it's true or not.
 

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except where are the rest?

What rest you ask?

The other corporate execs who have done the same and unlike Trump didn't have some finance guy suggest it and him tick box it but actually said to do it and planned it out.

I'm sorry but if this was some grand stand against financial fraud and not some stupid grievance based move then there would be a lot more people than Trump in the headlines about to be brought to the courts.
...are you completely unaware of all the other arrests and indictments connected to Trump? You know, including defendants who pled guilty?

As I said conspiracy theory or now would you want to be the face of the ones having to test if it's true or not.
I mean, I'd hardly feel in danger, considering all the countless people who publicly condemn Clinton and Biden and are absolutely fine.

It makes so much sense that you buy into this drivel.
 

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ok, he paid off a littering fine with Trump Co money not his own personal wealth.
Also wouldn't lying to banks help Trump seem better because very few people like bankers.
Well, I mean technically there is a way to pay a littering fine that would be against the law. If you want to be pedantic as fuck about it.
 
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...are you completely unaware of all the other arrests and indictments connected to Trump? You know, including defendants who pled guilty?
Oh look, I said where are the others and that it seems like a grievance against Trump.
The evidence you offer is other people connected to Trump mostly campaign staffers and supporters are being charged.

Totally doesn't add evidence to my suggestion this is just people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome after some revenge because Trump dared not to let then have their way and have Hillary as president.


I mean, I'd hardly feel in danger, considering all the countless people who publicly condemn Clinton and Biden and are absolutely fine.

It makes so much sense that you buy into this drivel.
Yet do any of those people claim to have damning evidence or have exposed her?

The deaths and manner of them is just weird too.

It's a pattern and yes could entirely be random but it's a very interesting pattern if random.

Doesn't even mean Hillary is behind it, for all any of us know it could be some deranged Hillary Clinton fanatic who finds this info and then acts to protect her. It's not outside of the realms of possibility given how lets say fanatical some of her supporters were even building personal shrines to her.
 

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Oh look, I said where are the others and that it seems like a grievance against Trump.
The evidence you offer is other people connected to Trump mostly campaign staffers and supporters are being charged.

Totally doesn't add evidence to my suggestion this is just people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome after some revenge because Trump dared not to let then have their way and have Hillary as president.
So when you asked where the others under indictment or arrest were, you... you were asking about people completely unrelated?

...you think nobody else is getting arrested or indicted for financial crimes in unrelated cases? Are you actually that dense?

Yet do any of those people claim to have damning evidence or have exposed her?
Classic! The fact there's no evidence = they must be being murdered if they have evidence. How convenient, that there's not a single set of circumstances you won't interpret as indicating guilt. It's almost like you reached that conclusion because you wanted it to be true.

The deaths and manner of them is just weird too.

It's a pattern and yes could entirely be random but it's a very interesting pattern if random.

Doesn't even mean Hillary is behind it, for all any of us know it could be some deranged Hillary Clinton fanatic who finds this info and then acts to protect her. It's not outside of the realms of possibility given how lets say fanatical some of her supporters were even building personal shrines to her.
It's about as much a pattern as the guys who see Jesus in their toast.
 

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You have to lean on folklore to excuse the behaviour of real people?
No

I leaned to folklore because it's an easy example to point to that is culturally understood to a wide degree.

Are we to say there is no value to folklore anymore?

Or are we arguing anyone who breaks any law ever is bad no matter what?
 

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So when you asked where the others under indictment or arrest were, you... you were asking about people completely unrelated?
Yes because Trump's actions don't seem like much different to many other big corpo types lol

...you think nobody else is getting arrested or indicted for financial crimes in unrelated cases? Are you actually that dense?
No-one to quite the scale of Trump with quite the fanfare and attention on it with anywhere near the level of celebration.


Classic! The fact there's no evidence = they must be being murdered if they have evidence. How convenient, that there's not a single set of circumstances you won't interpret as indicating guilt. It's almost like you reached that conclusion because you wanted it to be true.
You mean other than the odd co-incidences like the one allegedly having arranged to talk to a reporter about something only to die before meeting said reporter days later with no-one knowing what about and nothing ever being found to suggest what it could have been for?


It's about as much a pattern as the guys who see Jesus in their toast.
But yet you still say it looks like Jesus not a random pattern of different cooking marks etc
 

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No-one to quite the scale of Trump with quite the fanfare and attention on it with anywhere near the level of celebration.
Oh, so you're complaining about how much attention it's getting in the press, rather than the fact the charges are being pursued?

You might not have noticed, but he was President of the United States. That's why there's press.

You mean other than the odd co-incidences like the one allegedly having arranged to talk to a reporter about something only to die before meeting said reporter days later with no-one knowing what about and nothing ever being found to suggest what it could have been for?
:eek::eek::eek:

But yet you still say it looks like Jesus not a random pattern of different cooking marks etc
If you're a nutcase you do, yes.
 

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Yeh but in Trumps case the point is I doubt he'd deny the idea of paying her hush money. The issue is basically the source of the money and if Trump filed it correctly, it's kind of not even in the spirit of honesty or not here it's in the spirit of bureaucracy.
So what? A crime's a crime. Let's see whether this passes muster.

I am however absolutely fascinated by the people running around desperate to argue that we shouldn't even see if our most dishonest and corrupt leaders have committed crimes. It's almost like all their waffle about ethics is a load of hot air, they just want an authoritarian right-winger to run the show.
 

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So now you're considering the absence of an investigation as... evidence that they were corrupt? Am i reading this right? So if there was an investigation that got halted = Biden is guilty. And if there wasn't an investigation that got halted = Biden is guilty. So... there's no set of circumstances you won't consider to indicate guilt.

Can you not see how you've put yourself into a headspace in which any evidence, or any lack thereof, will always lead you to the same conclusion, because you want it to be true?
There is no way, barring corruption, anyone was paying Hunter Biden the kind of money he was making. So, why was he making it (and as a novice, making $500k for his paintings?) EDIT: The MSM claimed they couldn't report on the laptop as it wasn't corroborated. Well, not a lot of hard work to do to corroborate it. So why wasn't it? Because they didn't do an investigation as they didn't want to know. Not that I have any proof of that: it's just the only thing that makes any credible sense.
 
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There is no way, barring corruption, anyone was paying Hunter Biden the kind of money he was making.
What kind of money exactly, and why is there "no way" other than corruption, your spidey-sense not counting?
 

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There is no way, barring corruption, anyone was paying Hunter Biden the kind of money he was making.
Hunter was expensively educated, and graduated from top universities. This gave him a good foundation for his early career in banking, where he was apparently successful enough, and then he did a stint in the Department of Commerce before moving on to lobbying and hedge fund management. There is no clear evidence he has seriously underperformed in his jobs. On paper at least, there really is nothing that says he has gained positions beyond his merits.

EDIT: The MSM claimed they couldn't report on the laptop as it wasn't corroborated. Well, not a lot of hard work to do to corroborate it. So why wasn't it? Because they didn't do an investigation as they didn't want to know. Not that I have any proof of that: it's just the only thing that makes any credible sense.
They did do an investigation into the laptop and its contents, more than one, I think. There was just nothing verifiable that provided significant evidence of corruption or misconduct.

This is the core issue: there is no good evidence Hunter Biden's career is the product of corruption. Privilege and potentially advantageous social connections almost certainly, but not foul play. Simply claiming that the lack of evidence of corruption is the result of conspiracy just isn't very useful.
 

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Hunter was expensively educated, and graduated from top universities. This gave him a good foundation for his early career in banking, where he was apparently successful enough, and then he did a stint in the Department of Commerce before moving on to lobbying and hedge fund management. There is no clear evidence he has seriously underperformed in his jobs. On paper at least, there really is nothing that says he has gained positions beyond his merits.



They did do an investigation into the laptop and its contents, more than one, I think. There was just nothing verifiable that provided significant evidence of corruption or misconduct.

This is the core issue: there is no good evidence Hunter Biden's career is the product of corruption. Privilege and potentially advantageous social connections almost certainly, but not foul play. Simply claiming that the lack of evidence of corruption is the result of conspiracy just isn't very useful.
They investigated Hunter laptop 4 times so far and the GOP led committe provided a 86 page report saying nothing illegal was done

This is seperate to the conspiracy about his laptop which is 'apparently still' in the repair shop owners possession after, what, 3 years? Because showing the actual evidence is not a great plan.

Long story short, if you have evidence, just provide it instead making claims
 
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