Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[Silvanus]

Why do you think Dunning-Kruger is so substantial? It's one (and the 1st of that study) psychological study, which is notoriously hard to study because there's a massive replication crisis in that field. Anything in psychology should be taken with massive grains of salt.

"Replication is hard" can be used to lazily dismiss any and all psychological phenomena; It's a non-argument.

If it had never been replicated, and attempts had consistently gone counter to prediction, that would be another thing. But that didn't happen.

Just redoing a study with random numbers and getting the same results is not debunking something in your world?

As has already been covered, the 'same study' wasn't done with random numbers, because that's very obviously impossible.

 

[Cicada 5]

Well, this is an interesting choice.

‘The Little Mermaid’ Live-Action Film Modifies Song Lyrics To Include Consent

The live-action Little Mermaid starring Halle Bailey and Jonah Hauer-King will have some of the songs updated to modern times, composer Alan Menken recently shared.

deadline.com

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Probably for the best. People are trying to pizzagate Disney right now

 

[Gordon_4]

Well, this is an interesting choice.

‘The Little Mermaid’ Live-Action Film Modifies Song Lyrics To Include Consent

The live-action Little Mermaid starring Halle Bailey and Jonah Hauer-King will have some of the songs updated to modern times, composer Alan Menken recently shared.

deadline.com

Kiss the Girl I get but I don't think its a big deal since the scene is framed as them both being very into it, but why bother with Poor Unfortunate Souls? Ursula is the fucking villain and deals in shitty contracts. Why the fuck would she care about consent?

 

[Hawki]

Kiss the Girl I get but I don't think its a big deal since the scene is framed as them both being very into it, but why bother with Poor Unfortunate Souls? Ursula is the fucking villain and deals in shitty contracts. Why the fuck would she care about consent?

Ah yes, Kiss the Girl, where Eric and Ariel are so slow getting 'consent' that a bunch of sea guppies can turn their boat over. 0_0

And Poor Unfortunate Souls, where Ariel gives her consent by magic quill.

...damn it, I don't even like TLM that much, but sweet Tiamat, Disney's being stupid. Again. Like, more than usual.

 

[Hawki]

'Dungeons & Dragons' To Remove Half-Species From Player's Handbook, Claims The Entire Idea Is "Inherently Racist"

Dungeons & Dragons will be removing 'half-' species characters from their official materials because they are "inherently racist".

boundingintocomics.com

Ah yes, half-species in fantasy is racist.

Y'know, how half-species are used as a metaphor against prejudice, when the half-species character in question tends to get animus from one or both sides, and struggles with their identity, yet comes to appreciate their self-worth? Nup. None of that's true, every half-species is "inherently problematic"

...fine, whatever.

 

[Burnhardt]

Well, this is an interesting choice.

‘The Little Mermaid’ Live-Action Film Modifies Song Lyrics To Include Consent

The live-action Little Mermaid starring Halle Bailey and Jonah Hauer-King will have some of the songs updated to modern times, composer Alan Menken recently shared.

deadline.com

Are they going to rewrite Ariel? Because let's face it, her behaviour was always a little stalkerish.

 

[Gordon_4]

Ah yes, Kiss the Girl, where Eric and Ariel are so slow getting 'consent' that a bunch of sea guppies can turn their boat over. 0_0

And Poor Unfortunate Souls, where Ariel gives her consent by magic quill.

...damn it, I don't even like TLM that much, but sweet Tiamat, Disney's being stupid. Again. Like, more than usual.

They were eels weren't they?

 

[Hawki]

They were eels weren't they?

Yes. It's called snark.

 

[Gordon_4]

Yes. It's called snark.

Huh, damn I must be tired. I'm a take a nap.

 

[Asita]

Kiss the Girl I get but I don't think its a big deal since the scene is framed as them both being very into it, but why bother with Poor Unfortunate Souls? Ursula is the fucking villain and deals in shitty contracts. Why the fuck would she care about consent?

Seconded. Poor Unfortunate Souls is a villain song in which Ursula is trying to manipulate Ariel into forgetting that her voice is the only thing that would allow Eric to actually recognize her, something that Ariel immediately caught onto. Ursula, of course, immediately pivots to claiming that Ariel's beauty is enough to draw his attention, and when the song resumes with this verse, it dramatically changes tone and tempo to echo her switch from a calm and subdued "I'm really a good person" soft sell to flat out trying to fast-talk her mark into falling for the con and thinking the exorbitant price is a bargain.

While I can respect the sentiment behind altering Ursula's verse so as not to say that men prefer quiet women, the lyric is not supposed to be something we get behind. Ursula is not a good person, and she's bullshitting for nefarious purposes. The movie makes no bones about that, with Ursula both making it clear (at Kiss the Girl no less) that Ariel losing her voice was supposed to be an insurmountable handicap. For goodness sake, Eric spends much of his screentime with Ariel trying to bridge the language barrier. And when Ursula decides she needs to directly sabotage the romance, she does so by using Ariel's stolen voice to charm Eric. Ariel being rendered mute is not treated as a good thing by the story, it's an obstacle.

We in the audience aren't supposed to buy into Ursula's pitch any more than we're supposed to buy into Frollo's claim (in Hellfire) of being a pillar of virtue.

 

[Hawki]

Huh, damn I must be tired. I'm a take a nap.

Not enough steam in your engine?

I keep telling the Fat Controller that Sodor needs to go electric, but nup!

 

[Gordon_4]

Not enough steam in your engine?

I keep telling the Fat Controller that Sodor needs to go electric, but nup!

What can I say, the old bastard is a staunch traditionalist.

 

[tstorm823]

...any more than we're supposed to buy into Frollo's claim (in Hellfire) of being a pillar of virtue.

Sounds like something the common, vulgar, weak, licentious crowd would say...

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Because let's face it, her behaviour was always a little stalkerish.

I misread this as "stalkerfish" and, well, it does kinda work....

 

[Thaluikhain]

'Dungeons & Dragons' To Remove Half-Species From Player's Handbook, Claims The Entire Idea Is "Inherently Racist"

Dungeons & Dragons will be removing 'half-' species characters from their official materials because they are "inherently racist".

boundingintocomics.com

Ah yes, half-species in fantasy is racist.

Y'know, how half-species are used as a metaphor against prejudice, when the half-species character in question tends to get animus from one or both sides, and struggles with their identity, yet comes to appreciate their self-worth? Nup. None of that's true, every half-species is "inherently problematic"

...fine, whatever.

So, they are keeping the Drow. Are they keeping them as being the one inherently evil elf race, and coincidently, the one elf race that has dark skin and is ruled by women? Cause that's a bit of a biggie.

 

[Gordon_4]

So, they are keeping the Drow. Are they keeping them as being the one inherently evil elf race, and coincidently, the one elf race that has dark skin and is ruled by women? Cause that's a bit of a biggie.

And feed their men to spiders. That one looms big in my mind since it nearly happened to my character like two weeks ago.

Fuckin' stealth rolls.

 

[Hawki]

So, they are keeping the Drow. Are they keeping them as being the one inherently evil elf race, and coincidently, the one elf race that has dark skin and is ruled by women? Cause that's a bit of a biggie.

...I assume so?

As to whether or not that's a "biggie," really not in the mood. Call that a copout if you want, but Mysterious GX and I had a massive debate on it on the HP thread that involved drow, not really inclined to hash it out here. That, and DnD lore isn't something I'm that up to snuff with compared to a lot of other fantasy IPs.

 

[Thaluikhain]

...I assume so?

As to whether or not that's a "biggie," really not in the mood. Call that a copout if you want, but Mysterious GX and I had a massive debate on it on the HP thread that involved drow, not really inclined to hash it out here. That, and DnD lore isn't something I'm that up to snuff with compared to a lot of other fantasy IPs.

Fair enough, but compared to having people like Tanis or Elrond or Spock who are half elf and half human, which isn't a problem at all, even something that's only vaguely a problem is bigger.

 

[Hawki]

Fair enough, but compared to having people like Tanis or Elrond or Spock who are half elf and half human, which isn't a problem at all, even something that's only vaguely a problem is bigger.

What, you're saying drow are a bigger problem?

Okay, I'll make this clear, fantasy lore shifting isn't a real-world problem, but if we're ranking 'problems,' the half-race thing comes off as idiotic as:

1: In-universe, what's the explanation for them disappearing? Were they wiped out? Did different species stop banging? I'd assume there'd at least be passing explanation as to this, but I'm not counting on it.

2: From an out-of-universe perspective, the rationale is backwards. Half-races in fantasy (or sci-fi, with Spock being an example) are often based on real world prejudice. Rarely in-depth allagories, but alagories all the same. Usually, the prejudice is regarded as a bad thing. So if Wizards is so concerned about racism, why remove something from your setting that, even at its most basic, is usually a reminder that prejudice is bad?

In contrast, let's assume for the sake of argument that the drow are a problem. If they are, it's much harder to do anything about them. It's a conflation of something that's been in the lore since first edition to something that's happening now.