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Aaand they prepare "new sanctions" against Russia. Again.

I cannot overstate how each new wave of economic sanctions against Russia infuriates me. Each new wave is another "oh yes we could have done that earlier aswell, but hey, things didn't really warrant it until now did they". They could have exerted maximal pressure against Russia from the get go. Each new increment shows how far they were (and suggests how far they are!) from doing that.
 
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Aaand they prepare "new sanctions" against Russia. Again.

I cannot overstate how each new wave of economic sanctions against Russia infuriates me. Each new wave is another "oh yes we could have done that earlier aswell, but hey, things didn't really warrant it until now did they". They could have exerted maximal pressure against Russia from the get go. Each new increment shows how far they were (and suggests how far they are!) from doing that.
It's classic graduated escalation, which has been a hallmark of US foreign policy for decades. It doesn't have a very successful or noble history.
 
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In this particular case i would more blame the difficulty of getting 30+ parties to agree on sanctions. There is always someone somewhere who wants to protect some specific industry or needs more time for a replacement or needs to be compensated for a loss. All the easy to agree stuff has long been done.
 

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It's classic graduated escalation, which has been a hallmark of US foreign policy for decades. It doesn't have a very successful or noble history.
Yeah. The problem is that, in the meantime, Russia's escalation hasn't been very gradual.

It gives me an impression of letting the russian frog boil progressively, which... is precisely the opposite of the required slap. Just as the agreeing parties get onboard through the what's-just-a-little-bit-more-at-this-point fallacy, the sanction waves' impacts are blunted in Russia because what's-just-a-little-bit-more-at-this-point.
 
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There is always someone somewhere who wants to protect some specific industry or needs more time for a replacement or needs to be compensated for a loss.
It's precisely what it illustrates, yes.
 

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Yeah. The problem is that, in the meantime, Russia's escalation hasn't been very gradual.

It gives me an impression of letting the russian frog boil progressively, which... is precisely the opposite of the required slap. Just as the agreeing parties get onboard through the what's-just-a-little-bit-more-at-this-point fallacy, the sanction waves' impacts are blunted in Russia because what's-just-a-little-bit-more-at-this-point.
trying to inflict suffering on the Russian population wasn't going to have the your desired result anyway just like bombing London or Dresden wasn't going to cause the UK or Germany to simply give up in WW2. The "required slap" would literally result in the end of the world as we know it because it simply cannot be delivered against a government with a large nuclear arsenal without prompting the apocalypse; it's not something you can do with sanctions, especially not against a country that large.

viewing Russia's intervention in Ukraine as if it is just as superfluous to its security as was e.g. the U.S. invasion of Iraq or Vietnam will cause you to make this sort of mistake-- that the war can be ended simply by directly or indirectly punishing the Russian people enough. Russians actually think they are fighting for something important to them and there are good reasons to think they may be right despite all the propaganda to the contrary. As long as that remains true, sanctions will just be a necessary hardship to endure in a country that is fairly used to that sort of thing. It's not like sanctions have a stellar record in terms of accomplishing their stated foreign policy goals even discounting that; that doesn't mean sanctions can never work, but they typically need some very specific conditions which you're unlikely to get when the sanctioning countries are viewed by their target as hostile warmongers.

you are likely correct that the aim of sanctions was never to get Russia to back down. indeed, making the war more painful only makes it more necessary for Russian leadership to exit the war with something resembling a clear victory. If your aim is to stop "Russian imperialism", then you should attack it where it could be its weakest: justification. The U.S.-led west has done the opposite of that, delivering justifications for Russian military action as if they want it to happen-- a fact that only manages to go unrecognized in the media markets that they control. Maybe they do want it to happen; the existence of bogeymen is a wonderful buttress to existing authority. In any case, the suffering isn't real to the people making the decisions and it shows.
 

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you are likely correct that the aim of sanctions was never to get Russia to back down. indeed, making the war more painful only makes it more necessary for Russian leadership to exit the war with something resembling a clear victory. If your aim is to stop "Russian imperialism", then you should attack it where it could be its weakest: justification. The U.S.-led west has done the opposite of that, delivering justifications for Russian military action as if they want it to happen-- a fact that only manages to go unrecognized in the media markets that they control. Maybe they do want it to happen; the existence of bogeymen is a wonderful buttress to existing authority. In any case, the suffering isn't real to the people making the decisions and it shows.
If sanctions were designed to hurt average Russians, Russia would be under very different sanctions.

An aim of war is to degrade the opponent's ability to fight: sanctions are in this context more about impairing a country's ability to continue fighting by restricting its access to finance, equipment, industrial materials and skills/knowledge that would assist its war effort. Indeed, Russia is still largely free to import goods for the maintenance of its people's general welfare: for instance, Russia is allowed to import goods for the maintenance of major civilian infrastructure, such as its energy generation. Inevitably, wider economic damage suffered by Russia will adversely affect its population, but sanctions have been designed to avoid specifically targetting the general population. Sanctions have targetted the international interests of Russian elites, but they are having to give up superyachts, foreign mansions and Rolexes, not food, medicine and heating.

And of course, by contrast, Russia has had no compunction about destroying Ukraine's civilian infrastructure. One might note, for instance, the particularly aggressive attempt to wreck Ukraine's energy network during the onset of Winter, threatening to cause its people enormous hardship and risk to life.
 
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So apparently Russia's taken Bakhmut after around 9 months of fighting, at the cost of 20,000 lives.

The "special military operation" continues in Russia's crusade against imperialism, or something. :(
 
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viewing Russia's intervention in Ukraine as if it is just as superfluous to its security as was e.g. the U.S. invasion of Iraq or Vietnam
It is as superfluous (neither Ukraine nor OTAN were about to launch a conquest of Russia). And it's geopolitically even worse, as it's straight annexation.

And yes, as Ag3ma developped, it's not about traumatizing and demoralizing the population (this is the russian strategy, indeed, when hammering civilian towns with long range missiles), it's about crippling the military resources/economy and ostracizing globally a country that suddenly fancies itself as a middle ages conqueror.

And the stakes are not the same as Dresden or London, because Russia is not facing an invasion, no foreign tanks threaten to roll through Moscow. All that is asked of the Kremlin is to cease its gratuitous agression on a neighbour country. Very low cost, compared to, say, letting the nazis rule the world with their genocidary program (which was asked of London). But of course, intolerable cost for Putin's ego and for the little assholes who worship him.
 
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Speaking at the G7 Summit, US President Joe Biden said he had received a “flat assurance” from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that he would not use Western-provided F-16 fighter jets to go into Russian territory.
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Biden told reporters that F-16 warplanes could, however, be used “wherever Russian troops are within Ukraine
Good.
and the area.”
Wait what ?
 

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viewing Russia's intervention in Ukraine as if it is just as superfluous to its security as was e.g. the U.S. invasion of Iraq or Vietnam
It is though. There is no reason why an independent Ukraine should be a threat to Russia's security. Even the supposed dangers of Ukraine being in NATO aren't very convincing because NATO already borders Russia, and already has the ability to put nukes at Russia's border. That and all this ultimately started out as Russia raging against trade deals with the EU, not membership of NATO.
 
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Not exactly raising the flag over the Reichstag, is it? :(
It is indeed not. Russia have taken a town (pre-war population ~70,000) of no particular note, nor appreciable economic or strategic benefit, that has been comprehensively levelled.

I'm not even sure why Ukraine put that much effort into holding it. There might be the PR of just holding it for the sake of spiting Russia for all the effort it was putting in. There is a belief that it now puts two significant Ukrainian cities (Kramatorsk and Sloviansk, I think) in Russian artillery range. Potentially they realised that they were bleeding the Russians much more heavily than they were suffering, and just chose to maximise the pain as Russia was stupid enough to carry on pouring resources into it - resources which could instead have been spent securing much of the rest of the frontline against a potential Ukrainian counteroffensive.
 
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The Wagner Orchestra, a Telegram channel describing themselves as “fans” of the mercenary outfit, published a video of bearded commander Alexander “Ratibor” Kuznetsov raising the Russian and Wagner flags over the ruined city and yelling ethnic slurs at Ukrainians, telling them to “go f*** themselves!”
The actions of a commander fighting 'against Nazism': screaming ethnic slurs as he takes the city.
 

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It seems fighting is taking place within Russian territory. Not ''Russian'' territory they stole from Ukraine, but actual territory within the Russian federation. Apparently some anti putin battalion attacked a city.
 

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It seems fighting is taking place within Russian territory. Not ''Russian'' territory they stole from Ukraine, but actual territory within the Russian federation. Apparently some anti putin battalion attacked a city.
Yeah, this was a bit confusing. A russian anti-putin battalion. Claiming the village... for... anti-putin Russia ?

Edit : Okay they're russians fighting on the behalf of Ukraine.