Funny events in anti-woke world

[Phoenixmgs]

Is it time to remind everyone that anti-maskers also usually get super worried about elites slaughtering children for their adrenochrome

The same anti-maskers who love pumping themselves full of stem cells when they got Covid instead of... wearing a mask or getting a vaccine. You know stem cells. The things you might want to get from a fetus

The irony of anti-maskers sometimes is incredible

But anti-maskers were right about masks... Cochrane's review says there's no evidence that masks did anything. And what's wrong with stem cells now?

 

[Kwak]

But anti-maskers were right about masks... Cochrane's review says there's no evidence that masks did anything.

Really?

Statement on 'Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses' review

www.cochrane.org

The Cochrane Review 'Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses' was published in January 2023 and has been widely misinterpreted.

Karla Soares-Weiser, Editor-in-Chief of the Cochrane Library, has responded on behalf of Cochrane:



Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation.

It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people's risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses.

The review authors are clear on the limitations in the abstract: 'The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.' Adherence in this context refers to the number of people who actually wore the provided masks when encouraged to do so as part of the intervention. For example, in the most heavily-weighted trial of interventions to promote community mask wearing, 42.3% of people in the intervention arm wore masks compared to 13.3% of those in the control arm.

The original Plain Language Summary for this review stated that 'We are uncertain whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed.' This wording was open to misinterpretation, for which we apologize. While scientific evidence is never immune to misinterpretation, we take responsibility for not making the wording clearer from the outset. We are engaging with the review authors with the aim of updating the Plain Language Summary and abstract to make clear that the review looked at whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses.

 

[Silvanus]

By "they", you mean just James Comey. And I'm sure you are aware, he faced immediate backlash from the rest of the FBI, former agents, an army of former prosecutors, the whole Democratic establishment, and the main stream media.

Yet more irrelevant detail, doing nothing to change the fact that there was zero effort from the FBI to assist the Dems, and that their actions harmed the Dems and helped the Reps.

 

[Ag3ma]

I'm not sure you've ever admitted the laptop is real, it's not a strawman to say you believe real things are fake.

And that's just bullshit to cover your error.

The original concept for "woke" was "aware of racial discrimination against African Americans", using African American vernacular. Lefties trying to broader the concept to include their pet projects was already an attempt to use minorities as cover before the corporations even got involved. It's all been disingenuous for a long, long time.

And that's also bullshit.

The meaning of words can and often do drift. If the meaning of "woke" drifted and extended from "aware of racial discrimination against African Americans" to being aware of all forms of discrimination, it is consistent in principle and still encompasses its original meaning.

What you're talking about are cynical entities superficially appropriating morality as cover for very different ulterior motives. But they've also done that with everything, forever. Corporations often appropriate language relating to family, for instance, despite their interactions being entirely selfish and contractual, or engage in bogus environmentalism. Politicians, of course, lie about pretty much anything all the time, like talking family values in public whilst they visit prostitutes in private.

What conservatives like you are doing is not attacking the disingenuous attempts of such entities to advance their agendas on the back of moral causes, you're using the disingenuity to attack the moral cause. It's not hard to notice that you do so selectively based on whether the moral cause meets your political agenda. The related concept you're tying into here is "virtue signalling". This undoubtedly occurs sometimes, but you and yours also gleefully level it at the genuine too for cheap ad hominem value.

 

[Chimpzy]

So, news just in. They're dead. Debris strongly suggests implosion of the crew capsule.

Cue video of company CEO saying conventional wisdom of not mixing titanium and carbon fibre (because it can lead to corrosion) wasn't going to stop his firm! Of course, maybe that wasn't the problem, but either way the submersible had a catastrophic failure.

On a related and ironic note, Stockton Rush is now the newest entry on the list of naval architects killed by their own invention. Note who his predecessor was

 

[tstorm823]

And that's just bullshit to cover your error.

That's some severe projection. Say the laptop's real, Agema. Don't just give me cursing and buzzwords to deflect from your error, admit the laptop's real.

What conservatives like you are doing is not attacking the disingenuous attempts of such entities to advance their agendas on the back of moral causes, you're using the disingenuity to attack the moral cause.

Here's the difference: racial discrimination, as woke was originally applied to, is a real moral cause. "Racism" as defined as "specifically white people having power or opinions" isn't a real moral cause, neo-pronouns aren't a real moral cause, fat empowerment isn't a real moral cause, Dylan Mulvaney isn't a real moral cause, the majority of the moral crusades by the left in our current time of silliness are haphazard moralities invented to rationalize resentment towards others and perpetual indulgence.

When you make a flag that combines the ideas of stopping racial discrimination with organizing sex parades, you are dramatically hurting the first cause.

 

[BrawlMan]

On a related and ironic note, Stockton Rush is now the newest entry on the list of naval architects killed by their own invention. Note who his predecessor was
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The cruel structural irony.

 

[Thaluikhain]

But anti-maskers were right about masks...

Except in the really real world that many have to live in.

 

[Silvanus]

That's some severe projection. Say the laptop's real, Agema. Don't just give me cursing and buzzwords to deflect from your error, admit the laptop's real.

What error? Nobody here was was claiming it was fake-- you're the one who chose to make the authenticity of the laptop's ownership a point of insistence here. Presumably to insinuate that it's damning if it was his.

...except of course, it isn't damning at all-- it didn't prove shit. Nothing illegal found (including by investigating Republicans). A huge gap in custody during which Giuliani's goons had it. And evidence of adjustments made after it had already been passed to the FBI. And even the emails that were initially reported on couldn't be verified.

So, sure, it's (probably) real. It's just not incriminating to Hunter Biden at all, and you're engaged in an effort to imply it's incriminating by throwing specious accusations that others are engaged in denial of the facts.

When you make a flag that combines the ideas of stopping racial discrimination with organizing sex parades, you are dramatically hurting the first cause.

What flag is this?

I mean, I know that what you're really doing here is just smearing your opponents as degenerates, because you have a prurient intolerance towards sexual minorities. But I want to know exactly what rationale you're using to arrive at the smear.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

So, sure, it's (probably) real. It's just not incriminating to Hunter Biden at all, and you're engaged in an effort to imply it's incriminating by throwing specious accusations that others are engaged in denial of the facts.

But don't you understand? Because Hunter Biden had a laptop, it means that all Democrats are guilty of everything! LOCK THEM UP!

 

[Cicada 5]

Of course the chinless pedo-chode wonder is trying to grasp at any fresh opportunity to be out of prison.


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MGT and Boebert are experiencing technical difficulties. They almost seemed like a perfect couple at first.



Gosar is Gosing on.

Enemy clan leader? This isn't Mortal Kombat, Tate.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

New Docs Link CIA to Medical Torture of Indigenous Children and Black Prisoners

While we may never know the full truth, we owe it to those harmed and killed to illuminate their stories.

truthout.org

Had to scan through the site before sharing due to the combination of the name and the accompanying article picture setting off some red flags from experiencing the last few years of nonsense. Isn't a modern reactionary conspiracy site thankfully, seems to check out so far. And MKUltra am confident people are somewhat aware of being an actual uncontested part of American history by now.

The documentary record of “mind control” experiments conducted by the United States and other governments during the Cold War is just the tip of the iceberg, and our collective ignorance is by design. In early 1973, as the fallout from the Watergate scandal exposed the need for greater congressional oversight of U.S. intelligence agencies, the head of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) ordered the destruction of all documents related to MK Ultra.

Launched in the wake of the Nuremberg Trials, which exposed the extent of Nazi atrocities carried out in the name of science, MK Ultra involved a range of grotesque experiments on unwitting test subjects within and beyond U.S. borders. Newly revealed evidence exposes previously hidden links between MK Ultra experiments on Indigenous children in Canada and imprisoned Black people in the U.S.

On April 20, 2023, a group of Indigenous women known as the Kanien’kehà:ka Kahnistensera (Mohawk Mothers) achieved a milestone in their ongoing lawsuit against several entities, including McGill University, the Canadian government and the Royal Victoria Hospital in Quebec. The parties reached an agreement whereby archeologists and cultural monitors would begin the process of searching for unmarked graves, which the Mohawk Mothers believe are buried on the grounds of the hospital.


Over the preceding two years, approximately 1,300 unmarked graves, most of them containing the remains of Indigenous children, have been discovered on the grounds of five of Canada’s former residential schools. Throughout the 20th century, the residential school system — like the Indian Boarding School system, its U.S. counterpart — separated thousands of Indigenous children from their families, stripped them of their language and subjected them to various forms of abuse amounting to what a truth and reconciliation commission called “cultural genocide.” But as these horrific revelations demonstrate, the harm wasn’t only cultural — a 1907 investigation found that nearly one-fourth of school attendees did not survive graduation.


In October of 2021, new evidence surfaced linking disappeared Indigenous children to MK Ultra experiments conducted by CIA-sponsored researchers. A white Winnipeg resident named Lana Ponting testified in Quebec’s Superior Court that in 1958, when she was 16 years old, doctors from the Allan Memorial Institute, a former psychiatric hospital affiliated with McGill and the Royal Victoria Hospital, held her against her will, drugged her with LSD and other substances, subjected her to electroshock treatments, and exposed her to auditory indoctrination: playing a recording telling Ponting over and over again, that she was either “a bad girl” or “a good girl.”

Ponting also testified that “some of the children I saw there were Indigenous,” and that she befriended an Indigenous girl named Morningstar, who endured many of the same abuses, with the added indignity of being harassed because of her race. During a reprieve from her drug-induced haze, Ponting recalls sneaking out at night and happening upon “people standing over by the cement wall” with shovels and flashlights. She and other children had heard rumors that bodies were buried on the property. “I believe that some of them would be Indigenous people,” Ponting told the court.

Not only does her testimony corroborate what another Allan Memorial Institute survivor told historian Donovan King a decade earlier, but in 2008, the Squamish Nation included the psychiatric hospital in a list of potential sites containing unmarked graves.

The CIA, along with the U.S. and Canadian military and powerful U.S. charitable foundations, are directly implicated in this ordeal. According to John Mark’s 1991 book The Search for the Manchurian Candidate and Steven Kinzer’s 2019 book Poisoner in Chief, in 1977, in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, CIA archivists uncovered a previously hidden box of MK Ultra financial records revealing, among other things, that the Memorial Institute was home to MK Ultra “Subproject 68.” Under the leadership of psychiatrist Ewen Cameron, whom Ponting accused of raping her, experiments in this subproject sought to “depattern” people’s minds using violent methods Cameron termed “psychic driving.”

Although Cameron is among the most infamous MK Ultra doctors, he was not alone at McGill. As historian Alfred McCoy has shown in his 2006 book A Question of Torture, the sensory deprivation research of Donald Hebb, an immanent McGill psychologist, was also covertly sponsored by the CIA.

“I feel like we’re closer to having our future generations heard, our past generations heard, and whatever has happened to our children that they have purpose,” remarked Kwetiio, after she and the other Mohawk Mothers won an injunction to halt construction near the potential grave sites. As part of their struggle to uncover the truth, the mothers and their supporters have been collecting archival documents related to McGill experiments. Although none of them incontrovertibly prove their suspicions, the court’s recent injunction compelling McGill to expedite the release of restricted files has generated optimism that more pieces of the puzzle will soon come to light.

But what the Mohawk Mothers and their allies have found is compelling, particularly for me: I have spent the last several years researching the history of “behavior modification” programs in U.S. prisons. My forthcoming book Tip of the Spear: Black Radicalism, Prison Repression, and the Long Attica Revolt (available in October 2023), uncovers the roots of the modern prison abolitionist movement and state efforts to destroy it during the 1960s and 1970s. It details a little-known program of prison-based scientific experimentation that intersects with the Mohawk Mothers struggle.

In 1966, New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller, whose family foundation helped establish the Allan Memorial Institute, launched a partnership whereby a team of McGill consultants were brought to New York to establish programs and conduct research at the Dannemora State Hospital for the Criminally Insane, according to Canadian psychiatrist Bruno Cormier’s 1975 book The Watcher and the Watched. Located in a remote hamlet 25 miles south of New York’s northernmost border with Quebec, the institution confined prisoners who were transferred from other state facilities after being deemed “insane” by prison doctors.

The official purpose of the collaboration was to develop new methods for preventing recidivism. However, the program hosted “experimental studies of various aspects of criminal behavior,” noted a report from 1968. The following year an attendee of a conference about the program noted that a large number of its participants were Black.

An affidavit authored by anthropologist Phillippe Blouin in support of the Mohawk Mothers identified the late psychiatrist Cormier as a person of interest. Blouin located correspondence between lead “Subproject 68” psychologist Cameron and Cormier, who worked as a clinician at the Allan Memorial Institute during the 1950s and 1960s. Authored between 1957 and 1963, the exchanges pertain to a proposal for a Pilot Centre for Juvenile Delinquency, which would include laboratories “for psychological studies, for work in genetics, for endocrinological investigations, for sociological studies, both within the unit and also for field work.”

Commenting on the proposal, Cormier suggests that the center’s purview should not be limited to rehabilitation. He stresses that “research of this kind should bring light on all behavioral problems” and that it had the potential to “bridge the research gap between juvenile delinquency and adult criminality.”

Not long after this exchange, New York officials selected him to lead the Memorial Institute’s partnership with the New York prison system. The man who helped make this happen was a German physician named Ludwig Fink, who became assistant director and subsequently director of the Dannemora hospital after practicing psychiatry in Iran and India during the 1940s. By 1969, Fink and some of the McGill consultants had trained prison guards in hypnosis and aversion therapy techniques, resulting in scenes that an observer called “quite revolting both for those who watched and those who took part.”

The director of a think tank called the Narcotic and Drug Research Institute described Fink’s “Therapeutic Community” program in ways that are eerily similar to Cameron’s efforts to obliterate human consciousness in order to rebuild it anew. It “takes you back to a kind of kindergarten level and then brings you back up,” he told Congress. Elsewhere, Fink cites the autobiography of Malcolm X and laments the “growing number of aggressive, assertive black males” behind prison walls.

The Mohawk Mothers affidavit mentions Ernest G. Poser, a psychologist, whose research at McGill investigated “cross-cultural differences in tolerance to physical pain using deceptive means and what seemed like torture instruments.” It indicates that Poser “studied patients’ reactions to hypnotic suggestion during methohexitone-induced sleep,” a practice that brings Ponting’s experience of being “brainwashed” to mind. Poser, a colleague of McGill psychologist and sensory deprivation researcher Hebb, was also experimenting on incarcerated people in New York. In 1968, he investigated whether prisoners deemed “sociopaths” suffer from an adrenaline deficiency that prevents them from learning from “fear-producing experiences.”

To find out, he and a graduate student named Deborah G. Sittman injected them with adrenaline and subjected them to electric shocks. Wilfrid Derby, a student of Poser and Hebb, proposed an experiment in which multiple prisoners would be strapped to an electroconvulsive therapy device and told they were in a competitive situation where the “loser” would receive the shock level set for him by his opponent.

Between September 9 and 13, 1971, nearly 1,300 incarcerated people rebelled in New York’s Attica prison. Most of them were Black, but a few, such as John Boncore “Dacajeweiah” Hill were Mohawk. New York’s partnership with McGill appears to have ended shortly after the uprising and the brutal state-orchestrated massacre that followed it. At roughly the same time, the Dannemora State Hospital was rebranded the Adirondack Correctional Treatment Education Center, and became home to a “new” behavior modification initiative called the Prescription (Rx) Program.

Multiple letters published by prisoners’ rights organizations accused prison authorities of surreptitiously drugging their food and water and of attempting to turn them into “zombies.” A government panel noted that the program evoked “the spectre of the resocialization, rethinking, and brainwashing camps of totalitarian societies.”

According to Walter Dunbar, who had recently left the California prison system to become New York’s deputy corrections commissioner, the Rx Program focused on prisoners guilty of “overt acts that incite, agitate, and provoke other inmates to militant, radical, and antisocial activities.” Such statements link the program to plantation discourses that pathologize Black resistance, while implicating prison authorities in the use of behavior modification techniques for political ends: counterinsurgency.

Notably, Dunbar’s name appears multiple times in a cache of documents released via FOIA by the CIA. The documents discuss agency-sponsored narcotics research on incarcerated people in Vacaville Medical Facility, a California prison that helped inspire the New York prison system’s partnership with McGill.

The state-sponsored experiments of the Cold War era employed a range of scandalous methods to test whether human thoughts and behavior could be predictably controlled. The outcome of this research and the fate of its victims remain obscure, but a common thread runs across different experimental contexts. Researchers targeted and assaulted vulnerable populations who were incapable of granting consent and who were viewed as disposable. Their allegations were unlikely to be taken seriously and their avenues for redress were limited because they were institutionalized and from marginalized groups: Indigenous people, Black people, poor people, disabled people, children, prisoners, women and girls. This scientific violence was shaped by living legacies of colonialism and slavery, violence that continues to find expression in the ongoing “war on terror.”

While we may never know the full truth, we owe it to those harmed and killed to illuminate their stories. Groups like the Mohawk Mothers have promised to keep digging.

 

[Elijin]

Hey where are the sex parades? You guys been holding out on me?

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Really?

Statement on 'Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses' review

www.cochrane.org

The Cochrane Review 'Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses' was published in January 2023 and has been widely misinterpreted.

Karla Soares-Weiser, Editor-in-Chief of the Cochrane Library, has responded on behalf of Cochrane:



Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation.

It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people's risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses.

The review authors are clear on the limitations in the abstract: 'The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.' Adherence in this context refers to the number of people who actually wore the provided masks when encouraged to do so as part of the intervention. For example, in the most heavily-weighted trial of interventions to promote community mask wearing, 42.3% of people in the intervention arm wore masks compared to 13.3% of those in the control arm.

The original Plain Language Summary for this review stated that 'We are uncertain whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed.' This wording was open to misinterpretation, for which we apologize. While scientific evidence is never immune to misinterpretation, we take responsibility for not making the wording clearer from the outset. We are engaging with the review authors with the aim of updating the Plain Language Summary and abstract to make clear that the review looked at whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses.

Yes, I literally said there's no evidence saying masks did anything. Notice how I didn't say Cochrane proved masks don't work? Also, linking to any study showing masks did work is lower quality evidence than what Cochrane used btw since they only used randomized trials. Literally all the best done trials we do have on masks all show them not working.

Except in the really real world that many have to live in.

Huh? There's no evidence of masking working in the really real world.

 

[Trunkage]

Why do you believe that to be a contradiction? Why do you think wokeness is separate from capitalism?

I said that Capitalism uses woke to benefit itself. In effect, it co-ops it. Meaning it become not separate

That does not mean its still woke - as in it is in its original term. It's something new

Masculinity is a fine concept. But Capitalism warped it, particularly in the 80s until you get to extremes of Arnie and Taxi Driver and now we think blue is a boys colour which is completely made up. But... Masculinity is not the problem. Capitalism is. It warped it. (Id note that some of the trans/bi concepts have come up as a direct result of the Orwellian warping of the term Masculine and Feminine in the 80s. Many Millenials arent interested in that authoritarian Capitalism forced on us as kids)

Similarly, the Olympics games has a noble goal but has been warped into something else. Most sports have. The tribalism of modern politics started here... which is opposite of The Olympics' intended goal

Gun ownership rates have not changed much in the last 50 years in the US. But the number of gun per capita has risen dramatically. So gun owners individually own heaps more guns than 50 years ago. (And I would say it just a subset of the total that have gone crazy for guns). All this rheotoric about Obama stealing your guns is just a ploy to sell more guns. The problem isn't guns, it's Capitalism

In fact, the term Capitalism has been warped. What Adam Smith proposed is not what we see today. It to has been co-opted. So, in reality, when I've
been saying Capitalism in these few quotes, I actually mean this destructive co-opting power. It's the same destructive power that has co-opted churches so their messages dont match the Bible. The problem isn't churches, it's been warped

And I'd prefer to blame the culprit rather than blame innocent people for others misdeeds. Get rid of that co-opting and most of these institutions would function pretty well. I'm not going to ban churches because they have been co-opted. I'm not going to ban sports, or the concept of masculinity/feminity or democracy just because they are co-opted. I'm not going to ban social justice because it's co-opted. And, to be fair, I much prefer social justice to be co-opted than slavery or Jim Crowe because they were co-opted too. But that's just moved the scale from horrific to terrible

 

[Trunkage]

Hey where are the sex parades? You guys been holding out on me?

Could you imagine having sex while marching?

 

[Trunkage]

But anti-maskers were right about masks... Cochrane's review says there's no evidence that masks did anything. And what's wrong with stem cells now?

No. Just like you, they made up what Cochrane said. It's like when they launch the James Webb telescope and a scientist made a comment that people took completely out of context to prove that the Big Bang Theory is untrue. She stated immediately that this was ridiculous and she never said that. Or the scientist who noted that Greenland's temperatures weren't changing much up to the modern era and people took this as proof of climate change not existing as his evidence actually supported climate change because they didnt understand the term modern era. Or how you keep bringing up Sabine episode on trans athletes without understanding that she critics your hypothesis on transathletes. I.e. the evidence doesn't matter because you start with the wrong assumption

As to stem cells, no, as yet, I haven't seen any information that they are wrong. I'm noting that Adrenochrome and Stem Cells come from the same source and they think there is child murder only happening to get to that source when it's suits their purposes

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Phoenix: "Cochrane says masks don't work!"
Cochrane: "We are explicitly denying saying that masks don't work, we could never be sure people actually masked or even washed their hands properly to make a strong statement on the efficacy of masking."
Phoenix: "See, they say masks don't work!"

 

[tstorm823]

What error? Nobody here was was claiming it was fake--

Bullcrap.

Nothing illegal found (including by investigating Republicans).

Did you not notice he was just charged with multiple crimes? The current reporting is that the laptop was ultimately real, untampered before being delivered to law enforcement, and largely irrelevant... because they were already investigating and have mountains of evidence against him. That does not mean it lacks evidence of the crimes, just that it's redundant to other sources of information at the FBI and IRS's disposal, which we notably don't have access to as regular people. So yes, in the public space, it was a unique and accurate sources of evidence of crimes committed by Hunter.

What flag is this?

The "progress pride flag". The one that sandwiches very literal black and brown between the traditional rainbow pride flag and the trans colors.

 

[tstorm823]

And I'd prefer to blame the culprit rather than blame innocent people for others misdeeds. Get rid of that co-opting and most of these institutions would function pretty well. I'm not going to ban churches because they have been co-opted. I'm not going to ban sports, or the concept of masculinity/feminity or democracy just because they are co-opted. I'm not going to ban social justice because it's co-opted.

If you'd prefer a return to the roots of the things, should you not even more vigorously oppose the corrupted versions?