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I get a bit depressed by these videos calling out consevative grifters going after corporate products, since both the grifters and the corporations get what they want either way. The grifters get the outrage clicks and the corpo's get free publicity from both sides, with a dash of progressives coming to their defense.
The movie already got free promotion when that one mother was complaining about taking her young daughter to see barbie. These douchebags ain't adding much. I'm not upset about the call-out videos, because it needs to be shown that not everyone is like this, and assholes need to be brought front and center. You're always going to have people who follow assholes, while you'll get plenty of sensible others who go "Yeah, I want to avoid these morons or keep them away from influencing my kids, family, or friends as much as possible!". The Mattel corporation I couldn't give a crap about in this case. As long as they're not enabling nor defending the right ring psychopaths, I don't care. It's ironic, because Mattel/Barbie can't win either way with conservatives or liberals. It's either too feminine, not enough, losing traditional values, or some other dumb bullcrap. I wouldn't blame them for saying screw everybody we're just going to do our own thing. I don't have that much sympathy, but I can see them going in that direction.
 

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So this is interesting. Trump is suing his one time fix Michael Cohen for $500 mil, citing Cohen defamed him when he talked about all the Trump org financial crimes.
Cohen's lawyers put forth a discovery request, asking for the financial records of Trump Org. Trump's lawyers respond that they can't turn over the records, as it would incriminate Trump.
This has to be a new dumb dumb moment for his lawyers. He's suing to prove he's not a criminal, but can't share any evidence because it would prove he's a criminal.
 

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So this is interesting. Trump is suing his one time fix Michael Cohen for $500 mil, citing Cohen defamed him when he talked about all the Trump org financial crimes.
Cohen's lawyers put forth a discovery request, asking for the financial records of Trump Org. Trump's lawyers respond that they can't turn over the records, as it would incriminate Trump.
This has to be a new dumb dumb moment for his lawyers. He's suing to prove he's not a criminal, but can't share any evidence because it would prove he's a criminal.
FYI, that's the same reason Scientology stopped being so litigious against ex members and such. Deposition process harms them more than their targets, lol. So please, I encourage all to slander the cult as much as you desire!
 

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So this is interesting. Trump is suing his one time fix Michael Cohen for $500 mil, citing Cohen defamed him when he talked about all the Trump org financial crimes.
Cohen's lawyers put forth a discovery request, asking for the financial records of Trump Org. Trump's lawyers respond that they can't turn over the records, as it would incriminate Trump.
This has to be a new dumb dumb moment for his lawyers. He's suing to prove he's not a criminal, but can't share any evidence because it would prove he's a criminal.
Trump stopped hiring lawyers who passed the bar and is now just hiring people at the bar.
 

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So this is interesting. Trump is suing his one time fix Michael Cohen for $500 mil, citing Cohen defamed him when he talked about all the Trump org financial crimes.
Cohen's lawyers put forth a discovery request, asking for the financial records of Trump Org. Trump's lawyers respond that they can't turn over the records, as it would incriminate Trump.
This has to be a new dumb dumb moment for his lawyers. He's suing to prove he's not a criminal, but can't share any evidence because it would prove he's a criminal.
Possibly - but the crazy way defamation can work is that if you accuse a criminal of being a criminal for the wrong things, you may be defaming them.

There was a case in Scotland I was told about this series of coffee kiosks that sprung up. Apparently what happened was that a corrupt lawyer had been caught (and was eventually disbarred), but a newspaper had got enough details of why he'd been disbarred wrong that he was able to successfully sue them for libel, and these kiosks were his new business venture with the libel payment he received.
 

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Oh, so the movie is quite literal projection?
No, this guy is nobody. They crowdfunded $5,000,000 (intended to be repaid with 20% extra if the movie succeeded) to get it in theaters, as the movie was already completed and had been dropped amidst some movie company buyouts of some sort.

This isn't someone involved in production, this isn't someone who had a creative say or knows anyone actually involved in the film, this is just someone who went online and gave money to a crowdfunding site.
 

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Don't even get me started on whining about Slavic mythology when the games this show is based feature stuff from various cultures and mythologies across the world.
It's also complete bullshit.

The word vampire is Hungarian. Hungarians aren't slavs, they're in their own little ethnolinguistic group with Finnish people and they very much have their own mythology.

But the basic concept of a vampire as a person who comes back from the dead and feeds on the blood or vital force of others is common to many, many cultures. The really obvious explanation for this is that corpses are pretty active. They move and make noise and do all kinds of weird shit, and for pre-modern people who didn't have a good idea of what happens inside a body as it decomposes this was obviously spooky as hell, so you get this recurring idea of needing to ritually prevent people from coming back. Impaling corpses with stakes to prevent them returning to life was done in England as late as the nineteenth century.

Heck, the relationship between vampires and the slave trade is a well documented anthropological fact. There was a big proliferation of vampire mythology in West Africa during the period of the slave trade, because people were struggling to make sense of what was happening. Most West African societies practiced slavery so they didn't find the concept itself objectionable, but it did freak them out that so many people were just disappearing off the face of the earth. I mean, why did these foreigners need so many people? It's weird, right. What are they doing to them?

It doesn't help that there was a lot of actual cannibalism happening during the Atlantic crossing.

Also, there are various possible etymologies for the word "slav". None have anything to do with slavery.
 
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Hm, was gonna share that yesterday, but after double checking the source, is a very active, aggressive twitter user who calls themselves Jim Stewartson, who just plain cannot be trusted. And what few articles there were, were quoting him uncritically without vetting at all. He's got a spot on the ADL website too!


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Jim Stewartson is a left-wing Substack author and self-proclaimed "anti-disinformation activist" whose articles primarily focus on proving who was behind QAnon, which he alleges was a Russian psychological operation coordinated in part with General Michael Flynn. The ADL Center on Extremism has found no evidence to support this claim.


Stewartson frequently dedicates a number of articles to targeting established journalists and experts in the extremism research field, calling them "controlled opposition" and accusing them – without evidence – of protecting "QAnon, Mike Flynn and the Russians."

Stewartson’s former deradicalization initiative “The Thinkin Project,” which was established to help pull QAnon followers out of the conspiratorial rabbit hole, failed to gain traction, and is said to have “succeeded mostly in attacking and alienating journalists and QAnon researchers.” He was also banned from Twitter for breaking the terms of service in 2022 and was reinstated in 2023.
I don't know what his game is, or how he gained so much popularity but I've got a couple of suspicions brewing. Either way he is not interested in facts nor cooperating with any good faith journalists.


The group and Stewartson initially made big promises about what it was going to do, including working on scaling up efforts to deradicalize QAnon followers so that it would work for millions of people. But so far it appears the group has succeeded mostly in attacking and alienating journalists and QAnon researchers while conducting their operation in almost complete secrecy to the point that no one really knows what the group is doing.

“It's really dangerous,” Mike Rothschild, researcher and author of a forthcoming book on QAnon, told VICE News. “There is an enormous need for help with deradicalizing people certainly from QAnon but just from conspiracy theories in general. I mean, it's enormous. The problem is that I don't know who these people are. I don't know how they're qualified to help anybody. I mean, who are they?”


When asked to produce someone who has been helped by the Thinkin Project or to provide data on how many people have been helped since the project launched, Kane failed to do so.

The work being conducted on the Thinkin Project’s Discord server is focused on the collection of disinformation, sharing of articles about QAnon and building resources to share with those who contact the group. There is no effort to intervene personally with anyone, or even speak to QAnon believers directly. Instead, those who get in touch are directed to a range of online resources with best practices about how to speak to someone who believes in QAnon.


But Stewartson’s habit of overhyping the group’s activity is threatening to derail any of the good work being done by the volunteers. And now Hassan is saying even his association with the group has been exaggerated.


"On Oct. 22, 2020, I gave a TEDx Mid-Atlantic talk on Dismantling QAnon that included Dave Troy, Jim Stewartson, and Desiree Kane,” Hassan told VICE News. “My only direct involvement with the Thinkin Project is a Zoom talk I gave several weeks ago, to the volunteers.”


A source inside the Thinkin Project told VICE News that Hassan was now considering cutting all ties to the group, a move that would significantly harm the organization’s credibility and its ability to raise money, the source said.

Troy also downplayed his involvement with the group in a statement provided to VICE World News. "While Jim Stewartson did approach me to participate in the founding of his organization, I declined to do so, and never accepted any formal position with the group; I have no connection to the group legally or financially, and have no written or verbal agreements with the group, or with Stewartson,” he said.

Stewartson, 51, came to the attention of the QAnon world in 2020, and without any background in conspiracy research, deradicalization, or anything even remotely approaching these topics.
Prior to spending all his time researching QAnon, Stewartson worked for a variety of companies, including Google, creating immersive experiences such as virtual and augmented reality games.



He first gained widespread attention in QAnon world in August last year when he published the first of a series of bombshell blog posts claiming that the conspiracy movement was a giant alternative reality game, or ARG, run by “malevolent puppetmasters who are located both here and overseas, including the Russians.”

The posts got the attention of many seasoned QAnon researchers, but they were quickly dismissed as lacking any real evidence.

“He posted these Medium pieces over the summer about the Russians funding all of this, that QAnon is this gigantic conspiracy that goes all the way up to the very top and it goes back decades and I was like, ‘oh, maybe I missed something here, maybe there's some aspect of this that I'm just kind of blind to,’” Rothschild said. “So I read his stuff and it's just more conspiracy theories, just to explain a conspiracy theory. None of it holds up.”


Stewartson readily admits he’s not a journalist and his only real investigative skill is “googling shit.”



“I’m not a spy or a journalist,” Stewartson wrote. “All I can do is google shit, talk to people and write about it —which I have done.”

But Stewartson found an audience for his opinions and gained an army of followers on social media as well as appearances in the media — including being interviewed for the “Search for Q” documentary series broadcast on VICE TV — as an authoritative voice about the QAnon phenomenon.



“Jim got really, really self-righteous, he started posting on Twitter incessantly,” a person who worked with Stewartson around this time told VICE News, who granted the person anonymity because of fears of retribution. “He just wouldn't slow down for the media thing. He just kept pushing for it.”


Last week, in the middle of VICE News’ investigation into the Thinkin Project, Stewartson announced he was stepping back from his leadership role as a leader.


Kane is now the public face of the group, and she told VICE News that the decision to change was Stewartson’s alone. “He himself recognized that his passion for this movement makes him best suited as an ally but not our spokesperson or leader. He’s welcomed warmly as one of our volunteers,” Kane told VICE News.



Stewartson refused repeated VICE World News requests for comment for this article, instead posting a series of threatening messages on Twitter about what he called “a hit piece” designed to “defame” him.

Stewartson believes he is the one being attacked and that these attacks are coordinated in order to maintain the status quo by researchers who don’t want to reveal the origins of QAnon because they are all making so much money from it.

But, like a lot of Stewartson’s theories, he has provided no evidence to back it up.

Stewartson has become something of a pariah within the QAnon research community, where other researchers have accused him of spreading conspiracy theories about the origins of QAnon. Stewartson has spent months having very public Twitter fights with many of the most prominent QAnon researchers, hitting out at anyone who questions his opinions.


This came to ahead last month when a leaked screenshot revealed a Stewartson had drawn up a list of a dozen researchers and journalists that he labeled “controlled opposition.”



In another leaked screenshot from the Discord server, Stewartson is seen threatening to “annihilate” a journalist who writes about QAnon.

He also participated in a conversation on the Project Thinkin Discord server where one of the volunteers threatened to punch Frederick Brennan, the founder of 8chan. Brennan suffers from brittle bone disease and uses a wheelchair.

“It's obviously very unnerving to be placed on a list of ‘controlled opposition,’” Travis View, co-host of the QAnon Anonymous podcast, was also named on the list. “Especially since I'm not sure what I've done to deserve such hostility. My only sin, as far as I'm aware, is choosing not to buy into his preferred theory about the origins of QAnon.”

Stewartson said the list, which was leaked from the group’s Discord server, was taken out of context while Kane, the spokesperson for the group, said this was simply part of the group’s disinformation collection efforts, even though the people named on the list are widely respected journalists and researchers.

Even with new leadership in place, there are questions about what the group’s really doing and how effective it is at deradicalizing QAnon believers.

The group consists of hundreds of volunteers, some of whom are former QAnon believers as well as “dozens of other PhDs and mental health professionals working around the clock to create resources for our outreach and response teams,” Kane said.

A review of the activity on the Discord server by VICE World News found dozens of channels organized into groups such as Mental Health, Visuals, and Intel. Within those groups are channels dedicated to research on what TTP classifies as “dangerous individuals” including politicians like Republican Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, and Devin Nunes, as well as general GOP channels.


There are also channels dedicated to research about “Silicon Valley oligarchs enabling fascism and disinformation with foreign influence,” as well as the Koch brothers and the Mercer family.


The work being done on the server by the volunteers, including disseminating basic talking points about how to talk to QAnon believers, appears genuine and many of those involved who spoke to VICE News appear to have only good intentions. But doing the work entirely in secret with anonymous volunteers, in conjunction with a campaign to demonize other experts, and while spreading conspiracies about the origins of QAnon, means the group may be making the situation a lot worse.


“You can actually do more damage by trying to help in the wrong way, which is what I think they're doing,” Brennan told VICE News.


Kane said the group is still figuring a lot of things out, including its corporate structure. It hasn’t decided if it’s best to register as a nonprofit or a “benefit corporation” which is a for-profit company focused on creating a positive impact on society.


So far the entire effort has been volunteer-based, but just over two weeks ago, the Thinkin Project launched a GoFundMe campaign seeking to raise $25,000 to cover a variety of costs, including back office, editorial, content creation, and some staff wages.


To date, the fundraising campaign has raised just $6,700, with the vast majority of that coming from a single donation of $5,000 on the first day of the campaign.


Multiple people who spoke to VICE News said they believed Stewartson’s heart was in the right place and his retreat from the public face of the Thinkin Project is likely to help the group’s public imagine, given that the former game designer appears to have ostracized as many people as he has attracted to the effort.


“I think that Jim is a well-intentioned person, he has a good heart,” the researcher, who worked with Stewartson when he first started looking into QAnon, said. “But Jim has some sort of insecurity thing going on because it doesn't just seem like a drive to help people but it also seems like a drive to prove himself in a way that seems desperate to me. And that is dangerous. It's really dangerous.”
 
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The really obvious explanation for this is that corpses are pretty active. They move and make noise and do all kinds of weird shit, and for pre-modern people who didn't have a good idea of what happens inside a body as it decomposes this was obviously spooky as hell....
To this day we have people who think that your fingernails and hair continue to grow after you die, rather than the skin retracting and making them seem longer.
 
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To this day we have people who think that your fingernails and hair continue to grow after you die, rather than the skin retracting and making them seem longer.
To be fair, chances are they may grow for a few hours after you die, because it will take a while for the cells that produce hair and nails to run out of energy and die after you do.
 
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To be fair, chances are they may grow for a few hours after you die, because it will take a while for the cells that produce hair and nails to run out of energy and die after you do.
iirc it comes from the fact that skin tighten and recede after death, so if you measure the length of a nail from tip to the point where it meets the skin right after death and after a few days it'll seem longer.